The Erosion of truth is now upon us....

[Alithis]

here you go Gid ... seems back in 2001 ..the lord told this guy the church is not ready for his return .. he wil get it ready i know , but in the process many sadly many many will fall away and be lost - but many others will be saved .
the dividing line be made clear when to follow the lord JESUS means we lose our comforts ,our jobs ,our house, our car, our food ,our freedoms and our heads ...
purification is only done by fire .

http://www.born-again-christian.info/african.resurrection.report.htm

 

[Svt4Him]

here you go Gid ... seems back in 2001 ..the lord told this guy the church is not ready for his return .. he wil get it ready i know , but in the process many sadly many many will fall away and be lost - but many others will be saved .
the dividing line be made clear when to follow the lord JESUS means we lose our comforts ,our jobs ,our house, our car, our food ,our freedoms and our heads ...
purification is only done by fire .

http://www.born-again-christian.info/african.resurrection.report.htm

Tell me though, do you have kids? A spouse? If so, would you be willing to give up your house? Your food? What if you're not able to take care of them would you just rely on others? I'm asking because I'm thinking this would make you worse than an unbeliever.

 

[Alithis]

Tell me though, do you have kids? A spouse? If so, would you be willing to give up your house? Your food? What if you're not able to take care of them would you just rely on others? I'm asking because I'm thinking this would make you worse than an unbeliever.

this is reply enough - (folks should know the holy scripture -it is God breathed )

And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

 

[Norah63]

One thing needed is the perfect love.
It has been offered for us, and we can agree and walk in it.
I seek it today, because for me it's the only thing that will keep me strong in face of anything in life.
As the church struggles to come togeather, the perfect love is the missing piece.
We all say we love the Lord Jesus with all our heart. Yet we scrap with each other over the very
words He speaks to us.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Truth is multifaceted or multidimensional .. Jesus says that the word is truth, that the truth will set you free, and of himself that "I AM the truth" . the erosion of truth has a lot to do with the reality of God on the I AM level being embodied in our own lives . one of the God I Ams identified in the bible is God is Love .. love is identified as the highest principle of the college of God qualities and the basis of the teachings . without love . the teachings and everything else becomes like a body without a heart .

 

[Gregory Thompson]

truth has eroded because it has become about "thy word is truth" without examination of the other qualities of truth also identified within the bible .. and expressed through the divine relationship daily . but it is not just now that it is eroding . . . it has been eroding for some time . it is good to notice it .. but to take action .. to embody truth that has a heart .. is very important .

 

[Svt4Him]

this is reply enough - (folks should know the holy scripture -it is God breathed )

And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

So true, but they should also know how to do a proper exegesis.

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Just as God-breathed, IMO.

 

[Biblicist]

I cant read Gids post as it is on ignore so i am sorry if this is off topic but I tend to think God is restoring people too.

I'm sure that Gideon won't mind if I help you out with his OP:

The Erosion of truth is now upon us....

With the posts that have been made in the last few weeks, ever since we began to look at the place our obedience is to have in our walks with God, I think it is clear that the dividing lines are coming more clearly into view. I am not talking people, but beliefs. Tenants of our faith. Foundational truths. And I will be honest, it has been eye opening to see how far the enemy has advanced, and made inroads into our minds and hearts.

I am reading a good book right now, called The Awakening Church by Charles Swindoll. In it, he talks about our great need in the church to examine whether or not spiritual erosion is happening in our lives, both corporately and individually. He states that to truly get truth back as our foundation, it requires a reverence for truth above comfort... or what WE think is right. If one has to re-shape his theology to fit what God says, so be it. We can no longer fit God into our spiritual outlook by embracing certain scriptures and totally closing our eyes to others, for it is this very practice that is placing the church on the precipice of a massive falling away.

He shares the same observations that I do, that at some point in the walks of many, the Bible no longer is our ultimate authority. We are. He remembers that 20 years ago, almost without fail, every Christian carried a Bible to church, and sermons were often a teaching based upon many inter-threaded verses. But over time, we have elevated the role of pastor to an unbiblical superstar level, and made teachers of truth an unappreciated and unwanted person in our midst. We simply have adopted the world's
"I want it all... now" attitude to our spiritual walks. Few have the patience to sit down and dig for truth. We want it now too.

Thus, little by little, truth has eroded from under us, so slowly and subtly that we are not even aware we are drifting from God's truths. Although outwardly, we lmay look the same, our foundation, our unseen foundation has weakened, and to such a state that if/when tribulation comes, and it really costs to be a follower of the Lord, the house that looks so secure and steady will fall, and the results could be catastrophic, no matter what we are being fed.

We have a Christianity without a shield in place, and thus, we have little protection from the deception of the enemy. We now see teachings that state that sin is an "inconvenience", that God now winks at our sins, that repentance is overrated, and that obedience to the Spirit He has given us is simply being "sin minded". These teach that anything that actually asks anything of us is legalistic and is trying to put us back under law.

Now, with the Bible simply a source book to support OUR views, rather than our views bowing the knee to what the word of God clearly teaches, we are both shieldless and swordless. Do we really think satan is not smiling and thinking how smart he is?

It is time we acknowledged how far we have fallen from truth, and bow before our God to restore to us real faith and real desire to obey Him in all things. It will amaze us when we do, for God will open our eyes to the full truth of just how deep His grace goes, if we will but submit and cooperate.

This call for deep seeking of the face of God has no exceptions. I need it. You need it. The entire church needs it. We are on the precipice of the great falling away, but here is the scary thing. Many of those that fall away will not do so from walking away from church. They will still claim Jesus as Lord. They will be totally assured that they will make heaven their home. And yet, in the end, many of these will come face to face with the truth that they truly never knew Him or really wanted to be His friend, proved by their total devotion to obeying and following Him, no matter the cost.

Blessings,

Gideon​

 

[Gregory Thompson]

this is reply enough - (folks should know the holy scripture -it is God breathed )

And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

So true, but they should also know how to do a proper exegesis.

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Just as God-breathed, IMO.

Yeah God is not a genie God is not a bank machine .

 

[Gregory Thompson]

We have an erosion of truth . where people point out sins . but the manner in which they do so strengthens the foothold of the sins . the manner in which people try to control others by pointing out their faults . makes other sins seem righteous by comparison .. this too is a part of the problem . because when people harm themselves and others .. it still does not cease being harmful .. the messengers of "thou sinner" lack credibility because the method of transmission is in itself sinful .
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in this manner also, the truth has been eroding for many centuries .

 

[gideons300]

...we are now the righteousness of Christ, so we don't have to fear that we are in some sad desperate place in the church at large.

I have not tried to instill fear in any, but I am most definitely trying to urge brothers and sisters in Christ to take an honest assessment of their walks to see if they are walking in what Christ has provided us. One thing we must understand is that we are called to "apprehend that for which we were apprehended". Paul urges us to run our race after our initial salvation like we are in a race and there is but one prize. He does not tell us that entering the race is enough. for we must hold fast against an enemy who is determined to topple us, and we do that by holding up our shields of faith, giving all diligence as we do. This is not the time to relax, but to lay aside every sin and even every weight that hinders our growth into Him.

To any whose mindset in their heart is to please the Lord, and yet misses the mark on occasion, the grace of God is assured to bring them all the way home regardless. But there can be no denying that scriptures talk of danger still for us, if we simply stop seeking the face of God, care not about obedience or turning from things that dishonor the One who owns us, or think we are just fine the way we are and that we can simply do our own thing until Jesus comes, and no matter what, all is well. That is simply not true, and endangers many.

To the Laodecians, God told them their contentedness with sin and pride still ruling them disgusted Him, and if they did not repent, He would spew them out of His mouth. Some may argue that this does not mean loss of salvation, as if that makes it ok. I do not have the answer to that, but the very fact that some try to sugarcoat the audaciousness of disappointing and even angering the Lord with no remorse tells me something is bad wrong there.

It is this mindset that many have fallen into, and yet they are assured by well meaning brothers not to fear, nor to lay hold with diligence onto the hope that laid before them. The reason? Erosion of truth.

Do we simply disregard all the verses that tell us to continue, to endure to the end, to give all diligence, to seek with our whole hearts, to resist, to be vigilant, to obey with all that is within us? Sadly,s ome want to feed them but one side of the Lord, the good side, and forget that God will not be mocked. He has provided His beloved Son as the ultimate sacrifice and had to watch Him suffer and die. A heart response is called for and a one time prayer is but the beginning of that response. He is calling us to be vessels, living sacrifices and He says this is totally reasonable. Yet we object and say we are freed from this because of grace. Satan has blinded us to the truth, but thank God, it is being restored to us as we awake, and the full understanding of what grace REALLY offers us.... brand new natures that can be caused to obey is offered to all who hunger and thirst for righteousness, not satisfied with forgiveness alone. He has said clearly:

"Let all who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity."

Nowhere does He assure us that a one time prayer makes following Him in obedience unnecessary. The question is not IF we need to obey Him, but HOW. Now if we do not know the "how" of true heart obedience, it is time we hit our knees and asked Him. He has an amazing answer for us. When will we see it? When we seek Him with all of our heart.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Commonly ignored instructions
.
Revelation 22:11 ~

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

 

[Alithis]

Originally Posted by Alithis View Post
this is reply enough - (folks should know the holy scripture -it is God breathed )

And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

Originally Posted by Svt4Him View Post
So true, but they should also know how to do a proper exegesis.

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Just as God-breathed, IMO.

Yeah God is not a genie God is not a bank machine .

are we speaking of the same God ?
my lord can do ALL things
with my God NOTHING is impossible
he is my redeemer
my Healer
my restorer
my glory and the lifter of my head
my all sufficient provider.
with a word he calms the seas .. feeds 3 million people in the desert wilderness for 40 years on manna from heaven
fed 3000 with 2 fish and 5 loaves .

he said seek first the kingdom of heaven and all "these" things will be added .

im open to correction but the manner in which your replying gives the impression that while you believe he is ,you don't actually believe he is capable .

Jesus said ", Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."

do not ever imply that following the lord Jesus above all else is some kind of negligence .. you look after your family at the cost of your soul.. and theirs because they will follow you in the loss of theirs .

if you seek to save your life .. you will lose it -Jesus

 

[gideons300]

Commonly ignored instructions
.
Revelation 22:11 ~

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Michael, you always seem to have an answer with 'somewhat' concealed digs at me. My motive is love and not control as you stated previously in another post. I am not sure why that is.

However, in the answer you gave above to my OP, if you are suggesting we simply ignore the serious state that the church as a whole is in and as long as it does not affect our life, our destination, our peace, then I have to disagree.

You have hinted that it is controlling if one cares enough to speak out in concern that the church is sliding into lies a little at a time, yet scripturally, the results of buying into the lies can truly be truly catastrophic. What would love do, speak and risk offending, or keep silent and let it get worse? I simply do not get it.

If you have something you want to respond to specifically concerning the OP, feel free to comment, as I welcome your input. I would appreciate if we could keep comments on topic. If the topic is of no interest to you, I can appreciate such a sentiment and you may simply pass over my posts. God has called us to peace, amen? Thanks.

Be blessed.

Gids

 

[gideons300]

are we speaking of the same God ?
my lord can do ALL things
with my God NOTHING is impossible
he is my redeemer
my Healer
my restorer
my glory and the lifter of my head
my all sufficient provider.
with a word he calms the seas .. feeds 3 million people in the desert wilderness for 40 years on manna from heaven
fed 3000 with 2 fish and 5 loaves .

he said seek first the kingdom of heaven and all "these" things will be added .

im open to correction but the manner in which your replying gives the impression that while you believe he is ,you don't actually believe he is capable .

Jesus said ", Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."

do not ever imply that following the lord Jesus above all else is some kind of negligence .. you look after your family at the cost of your soul.. and theirs because they will follow you in the loss of theirs .

if you seek to save your life .. you will lose it -Jesus

Michael, I think it wise for us all to consider what it costs to be a follower elsewhere. In China, just being identified as a follower of Christ outside the "approved" churches where all that is shared must get Communist approval will cost true followers of Jesus the loss of homes, employment, bank accounts, and in repeat cases, torture, imprisonment or death. This happens daily...right now. ...just not to us.

Do we think we are special, and our deeper take on grace protects us from all that bad stuff until we are raptured away into eternal bliss? As a whole, our take on Christianity offers us little hope of defeating satan's footmen. The horsemen are coming and are much closer thabn we think. If we cannot say to God right now, in times of peace...

"No matter the cost, I will follow you..."

... then to think that when we are faced with real cost, somehow we will make the decision then, is simply not being realistic. Before it is all over, many who claim to be Christians will think they are doing God a great service by killing us. That is how dark the coming darkness will be.

How easy it is to be at ease in Zion, when in truth it is high time we gird up the loins of our minds and be sober, be vigilant, be zealous and repent of our casual attitude towards the battle we are in. It is time to count the cost right now. Now, in time of peace in the west, it is time we dig deep and make sure our foundation is unshakable, where we truly hate our life, our old nature, so Jesus can reign inside us instead.

Thank you for your presence here and the wisdom you share.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[Svt4Him]

Yeah God is not a genie God is not a bank machine .

Nor is He a squirrel.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

are we speaking of the same God ?
my lord can do ALL things
with my God NOTHING is impossible
he is my redeemer
my Healer
my restorer
my glory and the lifter of my head
my all sufficient provider.
with a word he calms the seas .. feeds 3 million people in the desert wilderness for 40 years on manna from heaven
fed 3000 with 2 fish and 5 loaves .

he said seek first the kingdom of heaven and all "these" things will be added .

im open to correction but the manner in which your replying gives the impression that while you believe he is ,you don't actually believe he is capable .

Jesus said ", Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."

do not ever imply that following the lord Jesus above all else is some kind of negligence .. you look after your family at the cost of your soul.. and theirs because they will follow you in the loss of theirs .

if you seek to save your life .. you will lose it -Jesus

More gospel of mammon stuff? the Word of Faith forum is over that way .. God can do anything . but focusing on money as a goal is counterproductive to the building of God's Kingdom it builds up a worldly kingdom that empowers the beast .
.
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. (1 Timothy 6:10)
.
the point of the passage in Matthew is to not worry about those things because God has it covered.
.
Revelation 3
17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Michael, you always seem to have an answer with 'somewhat' concealed digs at me. My motive is love and not control as you stated previously in another post. I am not sure why that is.

However, in the answer you gave above to my OP, if you are suggesting we simply ignore the serious state that the church as a whole is in and as long as it does not affect our life, our destination, our peace, then I have to disagree.

You have hinted that it is controlling if one cares enough to speak out in concern that the church is sliding into lies a little at a time, yet scripturally, the results of buying into the lies can truly be truly catastrophic. What would love do, speak and risk offending, or keep silent and let it get worse? I simply do not get it.

If you have something you want to respond to specifically concerning the OP, feel free to comment, as I welcome your input. I would appreciate if we could keep comments on topic. If the topic is of no interest to you, I can appreciate such a sentiment and you may simply pass over my posts. God has called us to peace, amen? Thanks.

Be blessed.

Gids

Actually, I've noticed a positive change in you recently . but my message regarding those who try to control others is for those whom the shoe fits . the last passage was related to understanding that God has also instructed us to let people be who they are whether they be righteous, filthy, unrighteous, or holy.
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I think if you feel called to correct others, you should be willing to take correction as well. I take in a lot more than you may think, as you call others to not take what you say personally, i would also suggest the same on my responses to your posts. continue growing.
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God bless .

 

[gideons300]

More gospel of mammon stuff? the Word of Faith forum is over that way .. God can do anything . but focusing on money as a goal is counterproductive to the building of God's Kingdom it builds up a worldly kingdom that empowers the beast .
.
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. (1 Timothy 6:10)
.
the point of the passage in Matthew is to not worry about those things because God has it covered.
.
Revelation 3
17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

It is scripture like this that burns like fire through the teaching that even if we do not repent when chastened by the Lord, we will still hear that "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."

God commands men everywhere to repent, saved or lost. He chastens us because He loves us and longs for us to repent, but at some point, He will simply stop convicting and chastening. That is a point we want to avoid at all costs.

To try to argue that once we are saved, even lack of repentance is not grounds for rejection is the ultimate "all in" bet. To see the many verses that talk of conditional salvation with the many "if's" that are listed... like:

"....IF we continue in the faith and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel"

or

"....IF we continue in His goodness. Otherwise we too shall be cut off"....

and to gamble that being cut off , or becoming a castaway does not mean losing ones salvation, it is a gamble of the most extreme seriousness imaginable. Why would we not want to obey Him after He bled, suffered excruciating pain and then died in our place? To say we are weak, when in truth our old nature does not want to bow the knee fully is something God sees through. He sees the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I know you have not been among those who say that God will forgive even if we do not repent, and you are more balanced, but in many cases at least, balance means compromise. Dangerous ground. I do like conversing with you as you seem fair. I hope the things I say, even though they are hard words of warning, do not come across as condemning. Convicting? Yes, I pray they cut deep, but only so that we might be healed.

Many blessings,

Gideon

 

[hislegacy]

this is reply enough - (folks should know the holy scripture -it is God breathed )

And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

Did you see this part of the God breathed? Hmmmmm....