Comic Book Religion: Which is your favorite?

[Gxg (G²)]

It's always interesting to see how the social philosophy of whichever creative team handles the characters happens to shine through...It's like, it doesn't really sound like something the traditional Superman would say to the world. It rather like new (and somewhat naive) Millennial thinking...

Seeing that this version of Superman is from a world where he was not in the traditional mold to begin with, it's not really surprising to me..

But the way things develop within it are fascinating, IMHO.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

In that parallel universe, all of Superman's social network fails. It's not just that he was manipulated into murdering his wife and unborn child (and then revenge-murdered the Joker in cold blood). It's also that none of his super-powered friends steps up and tells him that he's crossing red lines all around (well, except for alternate-universe Batman, but he's not exactly a people person).

To me, the most surprising aspect is that Wonder Woman goes along with all of this. Diana has been portrayed as a paragon of diplomacy by the more capable writers on DC (such as Gail Simone), and even in an alternate universe, I find it even harder to see *her* as a supporter of totalitarian government than Superman.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

In that parallel universe, all of Superman's social network fails. It's not just that he was manipulated into murdering his wife and unborn child (and then revenge-murdered the Joker in cold blood). It's also that none of his super-powered friends steps up and tells him that he's crossing red lines all around (well, except for alternate-universe Batman, but he's not exactly a people person).

To me, the most surprising aspect is that Wonder Woman goes along with all of this. Diana has been portrayed as a paragon of diplomacy by the more capable writers on DC (such as Gail Simone), and even in an alternate universe, I find it even harder to see *her* as a supporter of totalitarian government than Superman.

Technically, there were others besides Batman who resisted Superman - as they were willing to not justify whatever Sups did in the name of peace simply because he said he stood for "justice."

But with Wonder Woman, she showed how she would be if she (like other Amazonians) chose not to restrain themselves when it came to their distaste for man's world and wanting to bring justice to mankind. Obviously, from the standard D.C Universe, we know that Wonder Woman is often portrayed as admirable/calm...in light of the background she hailed from..

Nonetheless, As other Amazons had no issue with attacking the world, it's no surprise that Diana would be willing to do the same in this one...plus they have already showed her in violent presentations before in series such as Flashpoint alongside showing the Amazons going to war



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6g1ijg_EM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fm2PNUNWXg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NoqKXXwx0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3iPCSSaGjw

AT4W: Amazons Attack #1 and 2 (1of2) - YouTube

AT4W: Amazons Attack #1 and 2 (2of2) - YouTube

Of course we understand that in the traditional world of D.C, Wonder Woman is a Diplomat and peace-maker..as well as an effective warrior

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And of course, others appreciate her for being explictly feminist...

Woman Woman is deeply complex but has never been against resorting to violence if she felt it was necessary - more discussed in ladybusiness | Guest Post: You?re a wonder, Wonder Woman

And her aggression fits since normally this isn’t the type of behavior we expect from Wonder Woman who tends to be a purveyor of justice, not vengeance

It was insightful to see, for example, where Ares told a great deal about Princess Diana when saying she is a champion of peace, but now seems to also favor war as a vehicle for peace. ....and,[URL="http://comicnewbies.com/2015/01/18/doctor-fate-reunites-green-arrow-and-black-canary/"] she desires to be Superman's mate - fueling his rage. A lot of their interactions are interesting to consider - seeing that I'm curious as to where that Diana and her experiences differ with the versions of Diana I grew up watching and reading about) since the idea that she needs him to do this in order to do it herself is fascinating.

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[Gxg (G²)]

To me, the most surprising aspect is that Wonder Woman goes along with all of this. Diana has been portrayed as a paragon of diplomacy by the more capable writers on DC (such as Gail Simone), and even in an alternate universe, I find it even harder to see *her* as a supporter of totalitarian government than Superman.

The Amazons already invaded Washingtom D.C in the regular DC comics universe - so if they did that, I don't think the writers were wrong to show Amazons being willing in the Injustice Gods universe to support totalitarian methodologies - unless it is assumed that Wonder Woman would not be capable of doing so...

 

[gord44]

I find Amazons fascinating. What's this comic all about? Do tell me more.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I find Amazons fascinating. What's this comic all about? Do tell me more.

As it concerns the Amazons, they are referenced in the Wonder Woman comic

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The series I had in mind known as "Wonder Woman: Amazons Attack!" when the Amazons went to war due to their queen believing her daughter was kidnapped and even having the more militaristic Amazons (The Bana) aid in the conquest of man's world.

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[MehGuy]

Mmhmm femdom fantasy.

The creator of Wonder Woman was pretty weird, lol.

I might have to check the comics out though, lol.

 

[gord44]

Thanks G. I'll check it out.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Mmhmm femdom fantasy.

The creator of Wonder Woman was pretty weird, lol.

I might have to check the comics out though, lol.

I hope you don't mean that femdon is a negative thing - and I'm not certain how Wonder Woman's creator was weird, LOL -as I find it unique how she brought in Greek Mythology to create the character.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I find Amazons fascinating.

Curious as to what fascinated you with the Amazons...

Who they are in mythology is a truly fascinating study - even if the comic world embellishes them a bit..and it's always fascinating when seeing the religious world of the comics compare to the way things are portrayed in real life.

There's a fascinating video on the issue which greatly intrigued me when seeing the Amazons in their African background - in addition to the ancient culture of Greece and how much there were African elements present in it which many are not aware of:African Amazons in Greek Mythology - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz3I2Qn_5DM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSJVmhIZ3b8

There are other documentaries on the issue which have been very insightful - such as Black Athena: The Fabrication of Ancient Greece and other places being Home - Blacks in the Ancient Greek and Roman World - Library at Howard University Library System as well as Blacks in Greek Classical Art: Pottery Tells an Interesting Tale - The Root). And with that said, I would definitely say it's interesting to see how you don't really see others ask (with regards to Wonder Woman) "Why is this Amazon Princess not Black if the Amazons had an African background?" - although I know that there have been portrayals of Wonder Woman as Black, the main one being in an alternate universe (where Superman was black):

Thanks G. I'll check it out.

Cool to know, Bruh

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

"Amazons Attack" is notorious for being one of the worst crossover events ever published by DC. The writing is poor, Wonder Woman is barely in there, and the characters make no sense.

The only thing worse was "Rise of Arsenal".

 

[Gxg (G²)]

"Amazons Attack" is notorious for being one of the worst crossover events ever published by DC. The writing is poor, Wonder Woman is barely in there, and the characters make no sense.

The only thing worse was "Rise of Arsenal".

There were actually a lot of mixed reviews on both sides, some liking it and others hating it. Of course, what was consistent was the fact that people all realized that the concept of Amazons hating the world of Men and having times they conquered it is not new within the past 30yrs with Wonder Woman's comics - so it really comes down to what the individual prefers ultimately.

 

[jacknife]

"Amazons Attack" is notorious for being one of the worst crossover events ever published by DC. The writing is poor, Wonder Woman is barely in there, and the characters make no sense.

The only thing worse was "Rise of Arsenal".

my mother collects comic books so my knowledge of them is rather limited. but she does have "rise of arsenal" and its actually so bad its funny.

 

[gord44]

Curious as to what fascinated you with the Amazons...

For some of the reasons you listed. The myths and how they intertwine with history is interesting. I used to play a mod for the old Rome Total War that had armies of Amazons you could put at your disposal as a king in the Ancient Greek world.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

For some of the reasons you listed. The myths and how they intertwine with history is interesting. I used to play a mod for the old Rome Total War that had armies of Amazons you could put at your disposal as a king in the Ancient Greek world.

Didn't know that was possible for the game you noted Would've loved to play it if I could.

But indeed, the way that myths and history intersect are fascinating - and I very much enjoy that comics can be a very amazing avenue for that to occur. I'm still amazed at the concepts of female warriors in history and how comics have done an excellent job at certain points in bringing that out.

 

[gord44]

Didn't know that was possible for the game you noted Would've loved to play it if I could.

Oh yeah. Those games have tons of mods. I would link you a youtube vid of the gameplay but I might get in trouble as it's got naked Amazons killing each other.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Regardless of whether or not there were "real" Amazons who bore any resemblance to their mythological counterparts, their portrayal in Greek literature tells us a LOT about Greek culture and how it conceived of the relationship between men and women.

Conversely, the portrayal of the Amazons in contemporary pop culture may tell us just as much about our own times. Both Wonder Woman and the Amazons have changed considerably over the course of the last fifty years.

In the beginning, WW's adventures were indeed thinly disguised bondage fantasies, feminist undertones notwithstanding. ("Oh no, that man has bound me with my own lasso! I lose my powers!")

And when WW encountered the Justice League, she was allowed to join - as their secretary.

A lot has changed since then, and - depending on who wrote the series at the time - her portrayal in general has become considerably more mature and egalitarian. There are still some throwbacks to the "Amazons hate men because that's what feminists do"-stone age (Frank Miller, I'm looking at you), but they become fewer and far between as time and culture progress.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Oh yeah. Those games have tons of mods. I would link you a youtube vid of the gameplay but I might get in trouble as it's got naked Amazons killing each other.

Oh dear

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Regardless of whether or not there were "real" Amazons who bore any resemblance to their mythological counterparts, their portrayal in Greek literature tells us a LOT about Greek culture and how it conceived of the relationship between men and women.

Conversely, the portrayal of the Amazons in contemporary pop culture may tell us just as much about our own times. Both Wonder Woman and the Amazons have changed considerably over the course of the last fifty years.

In the beginning, WW's adventures were indeed thinly disguised bondage fantasies, feminist undertones notwithstanding. ("Oh no, that man has bound me with my own lasso! I lose my powers!")

And when WW encountered the Justice League, she was allowed to join - as their secretaryVery true - although the climate of the times always determines what is or isn't portrayed..

A lot has changed since then, and - depending on who wrote the series at the time - her portrayal in general has become considerably more mature and egalitarian. There are still some throwbacks to the "Amazons hate men because that's what feminists do"-stone age (Frank Miller, I'm looking at you), but they become fewer and far between as time and culture progress.

Indeed - although the climate of the times always impacts how a person or group are portrayed. And while there can be progress, things can easily shift..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

my mother collects comic books so my knowledge of them is rather limited. but she does have "rise of arsenal" and its actually so bad its funny.

That's interesting