What Is The "NAME" Of The God Of Jesus Christ?

[RevelationTestament]

El & Elohim are variants of the same title.

That is like saying El and Bethel or Michael are variants of the same title. Elohim is the plural of Eloah, and Elim is the plural of El. It is my position that Elohim means something similar to the family of the stone/unmoving force of God.

Strong Shepherd aka Master.

I believe El is best interpreted as God or power. Master is literally interpreted into adon in Hebrew.

Yahweh or YHWH, is the name by which God identifies Himself about 7000 times in the OT.

And all Hebrews seem lost as to its meaning. I posit this name means I am the life/way/word. Letter by letter it means Behold the nail Behold the hand. Now the question is did Jesus inherit this name from the Father, and if so why does the father have this name?

Perhaps you're saying Yahweh is the Lord & not the Father, because of a corrupt tradition the Church inherited from non-OT believing Jews. They spread a lie that God's name is too holy to say out loud. So they had Bible translators change God's word. Whenever the Hebrew Scripture says YHWH, the deceived translators wrote LORD. Thinking it's a sign of respect; but in reality they were damning themselves for changing God's Word.

You see, the Canaanites had a false demon god, whom they called Ba'al; which literally means Lord. So these Ba'al worshipers, pretending to be OT believing Jews, pulled a fast one on the world.

Nice try but no cigar. The OT is clear that only those of Hebrew descent as revealed by Urim and Thummim were allowed back into the city after the Babylonian captivity, and others were fought off.

If you want to know the name of the Father, just run a word search for the phrase, "they shall know my name is," to find passages where God is telling us His name. If you see LORD in capitals. It's the deliberate replacement of His name YHWH; which I think is pronounced Yahweh.

This has nothing to do with Canaanites but was a convention followed from the Septuagint, and the fact that the English translators, although using the Hebrew masoretic text, did not know what YHWH meant.

 

[4x4toy]

Exodus 3:15 - And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH, God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

2nd Samuel 7 - 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his FATHER and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity , I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. - Read Context to see that it is indeed YHWH who is being quoted by the Prophet Nathan.

Psalm 103:1 - Bless YHWH, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless His holy name.

Psalm 145:21 - My mouth shall speak the praise of the YHWH: and let all flesh bless His holy name for ever and ever.

Isaiah 42:8 - I am YHWH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

YHWH .. I thought this was unpronounceable .. Who added the vowels ?

 

[SpiritRehab]

Not sure who added the vowels?

 

[SpiritRehab]

1. Bethel & Michael are quite different from El & Elohim.
It's more like saying El & Eliyah are variants.

2. Adon is Hebrew for Lord

3. The Father chose the name YHWH (Behold Hand Behold Nail) to make it clear that the Son is God and that Father and Son are 1 & the Same. 1 God in more than 1 place at the same time.

4. Jews also worshipped the Canaanite demon Ba'al, as well as many other pagan gods.

5. By the time the Masoretic text was written, the vowels for YHWH had been lost. I'm addressing the reason it was lost. Ba'al worshipers replacing the Name of the Father with the title/name of the Canaanite demon.

 

[RevelationTestament]

The vowels from Adonai were actually confabulated with YHWH so as not to pronounce the holy name, but in the ancient Hebrew YHWH was written without the vowels as were their other words. When the masoretes began to preserve the ancient Hebrew Tanak, they inserted vowels into the text with various dots and marks.

 

[SpiritRehab]

Yeah, but they used the vowel points from Adonai & Elohim, rather than whatever the real spoken vowels were for the name YHWH. I was trying to say the spoken vowels for YHWH is supposedly lost.

I believe it's Yahweh, because of a spiritual experience; but that's far too subjective to offer in discussion. I'm not 100% on it either. Would love for an Angel to show up & tell me how to pronounce His name

 

[4x4toy]

The vowels from Adonai were actually confabulated with YHWH so as not to pronounce the holy name, but in the ancient Hebrew YHWH was written without the vowels as were their other words. When the masoretes began to preserve the ancient Hebrew Tanak, they inserted vowels into the text with various dots and marks.

Ever seen the story on Yitzhak Kaduri , The chief Rabbi in Israel at 108 yrs old died a few years ago 06? He wrote a prophecy and revealed Yashuah as the Messiah .. This message was sealed to be revealed 1 year after his death

 

[SpiritRehab]

Yeah. That was really amazing for me,
because I had been praying that year,
for Jesus to save the top Jewish guy,
to help save a lot of Jewish people.

So when it happened,
I was super happy for them.

Something that big,
Jesus probably already planned on doing before I asked;
but it was cool that He let me ask to, before He did it

Let's me feel like He heard me too <

 

[4x4toy]

Yeah. That was really amazing for me,
because I had been praying that year,
for Jesus to save the top Jewish guy,
to help save a lot of Jewish people.

So when it happened,
I was super happy for them.

Something that big,
Jesus probably already planned on doing before I asked;
but it was cool that He let me ask to, before He did it

Let's me feel like He heard me too <

Good Job

 

[AlephBet]

Hi AlephBet,

El & Elohim are variants of the same title. Strong Shepherd aka Master.
Yahweh or YHWH, is the name by which God identifies Himself about 7000 times in the OT.

Perhaps you're saying Yahweh is the Lord & not the Father, because of a corrupt tradition the Church inherited from non-OT believing Jews. They spread a lie that God's name is too holy to say out loud. So they had Bible translators change God's word. Whenever the Hebrew Scripture says YHWH, the deceived translators wrote LORD. Thinking it's a sign of respect; but in reality they were damning themselves for changing God's Word.

You see, the Canaanites had a false demon god, whom they called Ba'al; which literally means Lord. So these Ba'al worshipers, pretending to be OT believing Jews, pulled a fast one on the world.

If you want to know the name of the Father, just run a word search for the phrase, "they shall know my name is," to find passages where God is telling us His name. If you see LORD in capitals. It's the deliberate replacement of His name YHWH; which I think is pronounced Yahweh.

ps. Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit is a Mother?

Ruach is Feminine. Aleph Mem is Strong Waters, or Mother in Hebrew. She is the cup. Read my threads. Her identity is veiled, just as we are veiled with her Spirit.

They pulled an even faster one than you perceive. Yahweh shed blood against this prohibition of Elohim.

Genesis 9

6 &#8220;Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

Was HIS blood shed by human hands? On a cross. Zechariah 3 shows you how Yahweh (Ego of the Son) silenced Satan (Conscience of the Son). Yeshua / Joshua / High Priest then did the same in the Desert Temptation. I call Jesus Yeshua / Joshua because the High Priest Yahweh dressed was Joshua. Same name as Yeshua. Again, they hide this to deceive you with the keys to knowledge (names). Yahweh is the Son of God (Lord / Ruling Mind / Ego). Satan is the accuser / conscience. All things ARE the Son of God (all powers, rulers, authorities).

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

All means all. I think if you consider my theology linked below, you will see what I see. God is Love. Love does not kill, act in pride, show arrogance, hate others, create evil and the list goes on. Yahweh / Satan are the same being. Yahweh made Satan (Genesis 3:1). They are both the mind of the Son of God trying to be God.

Jesus was humbled by the Father. Did Jesus say he was the ONLY God with none beside? Did he shed blood or make peace? Did he try to rule, or was he humbled? Did he act anything like Yahweh?

Satan was made by Yahweh. The enemy is the conscience. Love conquered the enemy. Judgment IS the adversary (Yahweh / Law). Aren't we supposed to overcome the Father of the Jews?

John 8

42 Jesus said to them, &#8220;If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father&#8217;s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don&#8217;t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.&#8221;


Only one excuse for Yahweh's bloodbath in the old testament--Jesus. God makes ALL things new.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Yeah, but they used the vowel points from Adonai & Elohim, rather than whatever the real spoken vowels were for the name YHWH. I was trying to say the spoken vowels for YHWH is supposedly lost.

I believe it's Yahweh, because of a spiritual experience; but that's far too subjective to offer in discussion. I'm not 100% on it either. Would love for an Angel to show up & tell me how to pronounce His name

Nehemia on YHWH pronunciation

 

[SpiritRehab]

Nehimia Gordon uses the vowel points from Adonai.
He even says in one of his videos, that he chose to go with that, because that's what the masorites chose; but they also chose to render the name with the Elohim vowel points. So his choice is just arbitrary.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Nehimia Gordon uses the vowel points from Adonai.
He even says in one of his videos, that he chose to go with that, because that's what the masorites chose; but they also chose to render the name with the Elohim vowel points. So his choice is just arbitrary.

Not really. If you listen to him, you'll find that he was reading the Aleppo Codex which wrote it with "vowels supposedly from Adoni" but with a missing vowel. But in a handful of places it had the third vowel, which was usually omitted to prevent accidental pronunciation of the name. So his thought was the version with the third vowel was the real name. He was raised as a Rabbi, so he went to talk to Rabbis and talk about what he found, and the Rabbi said "of course it is" the name of YHWH. It also makes grammatical sense with all the Hebrew names in the Bible which include the name. In other words Jehovah is the correct transliteration but Yah-ho-vah would be the correct prununciation instead of Yahweh. Being that this has historical as well as grammatical support in Hebrew, I am somewhat swayed myself, and am beginning to think that the Yahweh pronunciation is part of a conspiracy of silence to keep Christians from knowing the true pronunciation.

 

[SpiritRehab]

yAhOvA
AdOnAi

He's a fascist traditionalist
and he doesn't desire Truth
as much as he desires confirmation.

He's a Karaite Jew,
so of course he's going to be 100x better at OT studies than a Talmudic Jew; because at least he believes the OT. Except for all the clear as day prophecies & foreshadows about Messiah Yashua.

He has a very capable Christian preacher as his best friend for years and still he rejects Messiah. Cannot trust someone that well educated & yet so foolish. As Paul warned, He's willfully ignorant.

He loves his karaite culture,
more than the culture of God's People; Israel.

 

[RevelationTestament]

yAhOvA
AdOnAi

He's a fascist traditionalist

Name calling doesn't prove anything, nor does the use of the vowels of Adonai. How about all the other Hebrew names which include the name and have the same vowels? That tends to show YHWH is not different.

and he doesn't desire Truth
as much as he desires confirmation.

I wouldn't label him that way, because he did give up quite a bit to leave phariseeism because he saw it departs from the Word.

He's a Karaite Jew,
so of course he's going to be 100x better at OT studies than a Talmudic Jew; because at least he believes the OT. Except for all the clear as day prophecies & foreshadows about Messiah Yashua.

I wouldn't say the verses about a young woman having a child to be called Immanuel are as clear as day applicable to Christ.

He has a very capable Christian preacher as his best friend for years and still he rejects Messiah. Cannot trust someone that well educated & yet so foolish. As Paul warned, He's willfully ignorant.

I never give up on anyone willing to listen to scripture.

He loves his karaite culture,
more than the culture of God's People; Israel.

You are of course not going to listen to him, but the fact is he is knowledgeable about the Tanakh and informative on other things such as Shem Tov's Hebrew Matthew. I was just offering another POV. I have already studied the "Yahweh" interpretation. The fact of the matter is there is precious little credible evidence pointing to other versions.

 

[SpiritRehab]

Hi RevelationTestament

I didn't intend my comments to come across as name calling. I appreciate the man's work. I called him a fascist traditionalist as descriptions of his character.

ie. Fascist - His friendship with his pastor friend holds the requirement that his pastor friend never tries to evangelize to him. In other words, not willing to listen.

Also, the reason I say he desires confirmation more than truth, is that he left Talmudic Judaism for Karate Judaism, but didn't continue on from there to Messianic Judaism. How can someone as well educated as Him, on Scripture, not find the issue of Messiah to be the most important & central issue of the whole of scripture? Because he isn't willing to surrender his identity to adopt True & Complete Judaism, Israeliteism? (Messianic)

Also, there are a lot more passages that clearly identify Jesus as both Messiah & God, in the OT.

ie.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 53:5 - 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Life of Joseph, Life of Joshua + Life of Hosea, Daniel's Prophecy, etc, etc.

Also, I have not given up on Nehemiah Gordon, even though he is not willing to listen to Scripture regarding the topic of Messiah. Jesus desires that none perish and salvation is a gift. So I have hope that NG will be saved. I just don't trust the guy as he is.

Finally, I agree that there is little evidence for the Yahweh pronunciation, but the same applies to using the Adonai & Elohim vowel points. I'm saying, I believe it is Yahweh, but I can't prove it. I'm just not convinced by Nehemiah Gordon's case for Yahova; because of his own details on the matter.

Good news is,
Jesus or Yashua,
is the name that matters most
So you & I will find out the truth
when He returns;
safely on His side of History.

 

[4x4toy]

The point IMO is that God the Father chose not to reveal a personal name except for God the Son only .. The only way we can know God is to know the Son ..

 

[SpiritRehab]

The point IMO is that God the Father chose not to reveal a personal name except for God the Son only .. The only way we can know God is to know the Son ..

Exodus 3:15 - 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Why don't you believe this verse?

 

[4x4toy]

Exodus 3:15 - 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Why don't you believe this verse?

The Lord is a MAN of war 15:3

 

[RevelationTestament]

The point IMO is that God the Father chose not to reveal a personal name except for God the Son only .. The only way we can know God is to know the Son ..

Deut 18:15 YHWH thy Elohim will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;