What Is The "NAME" Of The God Of Jesus Christ?

[he-man]

Jehovah is a philological impossibility! It has no meaning in Hebrew.

1 Corinthians 8:1-3
(1) Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. (2) And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. (3) But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

 

[shturt678]

I don't believe malech YHWH is the same personage as YHWH Elohim. Daniel refers to him being like unto the Son of Man - like Melchizedek.

You care too much not to heartfully realize: O.T. Angel of the Lord, ie, and similar senses of uses = fully God.

We'll work on this togeter.

btw Der Alter did a excellent job again, my morning's study.

Just ol' old scrutinizer Jack, have to run to town my friends, ie, including my old sparring partner he-man

 

[RevelationTestament]

You care too much not to heartfully realize: O.T. Angel of the Lord, ie, and similar senses of uses = fully God.

We'll work on this togeter.

btw Der Alter did a excellent job again, my morning's study.

Just ol' old scrutinizer Jack, have to run to town my friends, ie, including my old sparring partner he-man

nope - disagree

 

[RevelationTestament]

To reiterate. The name of the God of Jesus is El Elyon, The Most High God.

 

[Imagican]

Or according to Christ: My Father or simply GOD.

And we also KNOW that the Father of Christ is OUR Father and that the God of Christ is OUR God. At least according to Christ Himself and in ENGLISH, that is.

And I'm curious. Some seem to think that it's IMPORTANT that we use words and names in OTHER languages. Isn't it MOST likely that God knows how to communicate with US no matter what language we speak? That the 'language of God' would be that which is able to connect directly with out HEARTS in a manner that transcends the need for verbal communication? I mean isn't the MEANING of love the same no matter what specific language it is uttered or thought in? When we picture 'water' it is the same picture that would exist in the mind of someone that calls it 'agua'.

So to ME, to get 'caught up' in the need to use other languages to come to the proper understanding is absurd from the perspective of ANYONE that believes that God has been able to preserve His Word no matter what 'language' it has been translated into.

If God IS 'all powerful', certainly He has been able to inspire men to translate His Word from one language to another with ENOUGH accuracy for those that read it to be ABLE to come to understanding of that which TRULY matters.

That's what gets me about the WHOLE "trinity" matter. The WHOLE concept that insists that Jesus IS God. For the message that God has TRULY revealed in the Bible is that Jesus Christ is HIS SON. That GOD is the Father of Christ. NO WHERE is it indicated that Jesus is the NAME of God. Jesus is the name of God's SON. God is GOD. In offering the example of LOVE that He was sent to deliver, He was the IMAGE of His Father that SENT Him. But He was NOT 'The Father'.

And, if Jesus TRULY DIED................................FOR EVEN ONE SECOND or a PART of a second, God does not NEED the Son in order to BE GOD. For if the Son was EVER DEAD for even a BILLIONTH of a second, He was neither GOD nor a NECESSARY 'third part of God'. For IF God HAS TO BE: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, that means that Jesus DID NOT DIE. For God to be unable to exist without BEING three in ONE: when that ONE part DIED, He would have CEASED being GOD.

So it's really a SIMPLE question: Did Jesus Christ, the Son of God, DIE on the cross? No need to talk around in circles. He either DID, or He did NOT. There is NO IN BETWEEN. Regardless of being 'RISEN AGAIN', either Christ TRULY died or He DID NOT.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[RevelationTestament]

Or according to Christ: My Father or simply GOD.

And we also KNOW that the Father of Christ is OUR Father and that the God of Christ is OUR God. At least according to Christ Himself and in ENGLISH, that is.

And I'm curious. Some seem to think that it's IMPORTANT that we use words and names in OTHER languages. Isn't it MOST likely that God knows how to communicate with US no matter what language we speak? That the 'language of God' would be that which is able to connect directly with out HEARTS in a manner that transcends the need for verbal communication? I mean isn't the MEANING of love the same no matter what specific language it is uttered or thought in? When we picture 'water' it is the same picture that would exist in the mind of someone that calls it 'agua'.

So to ME, to get 'caught up' in the need to use other languages to come to the proper understanding is absurd from the perspective of ANYONE that believes that God has been able to preserve His Word no matter what 'language' it has been translated into.

At first blush.
The problem is what if the English translators miss things? I found when I started learning the Hebrew, I began to understand God much better.
One problem with the KJV is that both the Hebrew Adonai and YHWH get translated as Lord, although YHWH is designated LORD usually. So YHWH Elohim becomes LORD God. The truth is not even the Jews knew what YHWH meant. Another problem is the translators missed the language nuances and impose their personal views. Elohim is a PLURAL Hebrew word so would be more correctly translated Gods, but I think of it now more like a plural noun such as the word "family." El is singular, and the Bible makes it clear that El Elyon or the Most High God is heavenly Father while Jesus is referred to as the Son of the Most High.
Here is another example. Most people think of God the Almighty as the Father. I believe this is due to the Creeds which refer to "We believe in God the Almighty, maker of heaven and Earth, and in His Son, Jesus Christ" or other similar language. This seems to come from the Greek translation in the Septuagint of "El Shaddai." The Greek translators assumed the root was the Hebrew shadad or to destroy. However, in Genesis we find the Lord using El Shaddai in conjunction with blessings of the breasts[shadayim] and the womb. Shad is breast and dai is enough. A simple conjunction yields "shaddai" meaning weaner from the breast "enough breast" who is Christ who weans us from the milk of the gospel. Further, Christ teaches us in John that He was this El Shaddai who appeared to Abraham in Genesis. "Before Abraham was, I am." The Jews realized Jesus was telling them He is El Shaddai, and took up stones to throw at him.

So to me the creeds seem to have it backwards and have confounded God.
Further both the Father and the Son are YHWH Elohim or the Law of the family of God.
They are YHWH Elohim [not YHWH EL] together, and are One God/family.

 

[he-man]

At first blush.The problem is what if the English translators miss things? I found when I started learning the Hebrew, I began to understand God much better.

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[RevelationTestament]

bumping this for the benefit of those reading the debate between myself and the Berean

 

[he-man]

bumping this for the benefit of those reading the debate between myself and the Berean

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היה ha-yah I Exist (V) 1097-M (V) Strong's 1961
Biblical Hebrew Dictionary

Both the On Line Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901-1906 and The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910, state that the vowel points that are preserved in "יְהֺוָה" (e.g. Yehovah) are not the actual vowel points of God's name, but are the vowel points of the name "Adonay". Both the On Line Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901-1906 and The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910, state that the vowel points that are preserved in "יֱהֺוִה" (e.g. Yehovih), are not the actual vowel points of God's name, but are the vowel points of the name "Elohiym". This article intends to examine the criticism of "יְהֺוָה" (e.g. Yehovah) and "יֱהֺוִה" (e.g. Yehovih), that has been made by the On Line Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901-1906, and by The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910. A mispronunciation ( introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews ) of the Hebrew "Yhwh," the (ineffable) name of God ( the Tetragrammaton or "Shem ha-Meforash" ). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.Explanation of the reprint of the 1866 Letteris Edition of the Hebrew Bible. (http://www.rakkav.com/kdhinc/pages/books.htm) The Online Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901-1906: Name of God / YHWH. (NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com) Transcription Guidelines for the B-Hebrew forum.

 

[RevelationTestament]

HeMan
I proffer to you that YHWH means something along the lines of I am the Word or the Law. See John 1:1,2
letter by letter it literally means behold the nail behold the hand.
I agree that the vowels got confabulated. That is really not too important tho in semitic languages.

 

[Mark51]

In the original Hebrew writings, the name of the only true and living God was written with 4 consonants: YHWH or JHVH. Such consonants appear almost 7,000 times throughout the Bible.

This identifying name is a form of a Hebrew verb (ha wah’ meaning “to become,” and actually signifies “He causes to Become.” Thus God’s name identifies him as the One who progressively fulfills his promises and unfailingly realizes his purposes.

The true pronunciation is not known with certainty because of two main reasons. First, ancient Hebrew was written with consonants only-no vowels. When the language was read, the reader would add the proper vowels for a correct pronunciation. Yes, very complicated indeed! Fortunately, Jewish scholars later realized the potential problems and around the second half of the first millennium C. E. they invented a system of adding “vowel points” to the written language. This insured that the pronunciation at that time was preserved.

Secondly, a superstitious idea/belief was adopted among the Hebrews that it was blasphemous to speak the divine name out loud. Possible because they felt that it was a violation of the third commandment. Consequently, in order to avoid this sin, but acknowledge the divine name when scripture was being read aloud, the reader would substitute it with the name “Adho nai” (Sovereign Lord).

The most common pronunciation used in English is Jehovah and Yahweh. However, Jehovah is a more common and preferred pronunciation.

Regardless of which name is used, the important thing is to use it because a title such as Lord, God, Eternal and so forth are not personal and distinctive. Keep in mind that Satan is a “god” and Jesus used his father’s name and made it known/manifest. (John 17:6: 2 Corinthians 4:4) His name was certainly pronounced during Jesus’ time on earth and probably up to 70 CE when the temple was destroyed. Do we not we pray that His name be sanctified or hallowed?-Matthew 6:9.

 

[AlephBet]

Elohim is the Father. Ruach is the Mother. The name of the Father is his nature--no opposites. His name is hidden by his title as Father (Aleph Bet). The Word is what he writes. The Son is the Word. The Father is the Aleph Bet. Programming. Hologram. He is behind the rendering of the image we are inside. We are his image, just as these letters and words are my image here in this virtual creation of information.

John 1

See my thread on the hidden proof of God from Hebrew in my signature. PROOF OF DESIGN DNA

What is the NAME of the God of Jesus Christ?

Jesus said at:-

K.J.V. Matthew 6:9
"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy NAME."

K.J.V. John 17:6
"I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

K.J.V. John 17:26
"And I have declared unto them thy NAME, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."



Also Simeon said at:-


K.J.V. Acts 15:14
"Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his NAME."


What is that "NAME"?


Barry

 

[Robert Sanders]

What is the NAME of the God of Jesus Christ?

Jesus said at:-

K.J.V. Matthew 6:9
"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy NAME."

K.J.V. John 17:6
"I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

K.J.V. John 17:26
"And I have declared unto them thy NAME, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."



Also Simeon said at:-


K.J.V. Acts 15:14
"Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his NAME."


What is that "NAME"?


Barry

None of these will know. It has not been revealed to them.

You do not know the new name, either.

 

[SpiritRehab]

Hi Barry

The name of God our Father is YHWH.
Jesus is God in Human flesh, known as the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit is who they both are.

2 Bodies, 1 Spirit, in more than 1 place at the same time.
God is Fascinating

 

[AlephBet]

Hi Barry

The name of God our Father is YHWH.
Jesus is God in Human flesh, known as the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit is who they both are.

2 Bodies, 1 Spirit, in more than 1 place at the same time.
God is Fascinating

Yahweh is the Lord, not the Father. The Father is the first listed in Genesis (Elohim). The Mother is the Spirit (Ruach). Both of these appear at the baptism of Jesus, each giving a blessing. They then rest in Genesis 2 as the Son takes over his kingdom to rule as LORD (YHVH).

"Let US make man in OUR own image." All things replicate by kind. God's first task was making Adam (Son of God).

Luke 3

the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

Yahweh is the Lord (Ego) of Adam to rule, proclaiming himself God. Satan was made by Yahweh as the accuser (conscience). In Zechariah 3, Yahweh silences Satan to prepare Joshua / Yeshua the High Priest as the temple for his own Spirit to be humbled on the cross in answer to the Father's words here:

Genesis 9

Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

Use the Names of God Bible on Bible Gateway to know this. EL is the Father. Aleph Lamed, or Strong Shepherd.

EL Strong Shepherd / Leader.

Who does the Father lead in ALL cases below? The Son. True for God the Father and true for you as a father/mother.

All things here are images of all things there. It's a copy. The Bible makes it clear that the LORD is the SON.

 

[Norah63]

Post 173, yes.
Why make things harder for anyone?
Brain power is wonderful, but not always comforting.
A dressing 'our Father, now that's comforting!

 

[SpiritRehab]

Hi AlephBet,

El & Elohim are variants of the same title. Strong Shepherd aka Master.
Yahweh or YHWH, is the name by which God identifies Himself about 7000 times in the OT.

Perhaps you're saying Yahweh is the Lord & not the Father, because of a corrupt tradition the Church inherited from non-OT believing Jews. They spread a lie that God's name is too holy to say out loud. So they had Bible translators change God's word. Whenever the Hebrew Scripture says YHWH, the deceived translators wrote LORD. Thinking it's a sign of respect; but in reality they were damning themselves for changing God's Word.

You see, the Canaanites had a false demon god, whom they called Ba'al; which literally means Lord. So these Ba'al worshipers, pretending to be OT believing Jews, pulled a fast one on the world.

If you want to know the name of the Father, just run a word search for the phrase, "they shall know my name is," to find passages where God is telling us His name. If you see LORD in capitals. It's the deliberate replacement of His name YHWH; which I think is pronounced Yahweh.

ps. Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit is a Mother?

 

[4x4toy]

God the Father never told any his name except the description great "I Am" , Jesus the Son is named all the names of God as the Son .. The only name where by men can be saved

 

[Messy]

What is the NAME of the God of Jesus Christ?

Jesus said at:-

K.J.V. Matthew 6:9
"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy NAME."

K.J.V. John 17:6
"I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

K.J.V. John 17:26
"And I have declared unto them thy NAME, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."



Also Simeon said at:-


K.J.V. Acts 15:14
"Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his NAME."


What is that "NAME"?


Barry

YHWH or Yahshua which means: YHWH saves.
Strange question by the way: the God of Jesus Christ?

 

[SpiritRehab]

God the Father never told any his name except the description great "I Am" , Jesus the Son is named all the names of God as the Son .. The only name where by men can be saved

Exodus 3:15 - And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH, God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

2nd Samuel 7 - 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his FATHER and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity , I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. - Read Context to see that it is indeed YHWH who is being quoted by the Prophet Nathan.

Psalm 103:1 - Bless YHWH, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless His holy name.

Psalm 145:21 - My mouth shall speak the praise of the YHWH: and let all flesh bless His holy name for ever and ever.

Isaiah 42:8 - I am YHWH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.