Why Parallax doesn't work

[dad]

God didn't provide any evidence for man of a different state past.

He provided Scripture. That'll do!

Because that definition holds true both here and in deep space.

How would you know!?

know you're doing the YEC's favorite step, the dishonest quote mine.

What you said amounts to what I said.

Yes, in the Bible we find stars, along with the sun and moon, are embedded in a solid dome over the earth with water on top of that. That's what we find in the the literalist's Bible.

Nah. Adam knew better as did Noah, and folks back then. That solid dome you talk about is space. You really think that people thought space was solid?

great big NO on you having any evidence to the contrary?

Science has none either way. That doesn't mean you can claim it is the way you like for no reason.

I'm simply pointing out that distance is a function of speed multiplied by time.

186,000 miles per second x 31,566,000 seconds = 5,878,499,810,000 miles traveled in a year, AKA a light year.

False. Unless there Was a light year, that would not be true except in theory. You been a light year out? No. Until then, humble down. The furthest probe is less than a light day away if I recall?

I personally would be surprised if one could travel at the speed of light on earth straight out in space for a year, and report back it was 5,878,499,810,000 miles.

It doesn't, we have evidence anyway.

Nowhere but in your dreams.

How many times do I need to cite Supernova1987a before you actually read up on it and understand it?

What about it?? By the way, where is the predicted neutron star?

"According to the classic theory, there should be a neutron star where Sanduleak used to be."

Mystery of the Missing Star | DiscoverMagazine.com


Since parallax cannot be used to determine distances or time by light YEARS, you don't even know how far that star was. You never knew the rings were there as you claim they were, or had to have been.


"Another puzzle is that the observations of the star just prior to the explosion show that it was a blue supergiant. This was a puzzle in 1987, because up to that time theorists had believed that only red supergiants could explode as a supernova. "


Unsolved Mystery of the 1987 Supernova (Today's Most Popular)

 

[dad]

They were produced THEN and THERE.

The key element here is when they entered our time and space. If it is different, they must enter obeying our laws. Once they are here and doing that, we lose the ability to form a picture of what they were like where the star is. You have merely assumed it is the same for no reason. Worse than that, you try to use the light in OUR timespace to say time and space are the same far away!

The photons we see were produced by that star in the past.

Not OUR past!

Look up in the sky. You are seeing photons leaving a star.

No. I am seeing light in our timespace. That does nothing to tell me if time exists where the star is.

All of the evidence demonstrates that those stars are in our timespace.

Comically absurd. You see light ONLY here. Period. You can't see time can you? How would you know if it was different far away or not??

 

[Loudmouth]

The key element here is when they entered our time and space. If it is different, they must enter obeying our laws.

You are claiming that the star is not in our spacetime, so it wouldn't have to obey our laws. The laws that govern the absorption and emission of wavelengths would not apply since there was no absorbing or emitting in our spacetime, according to you. Therefore, when there is a distortion of these photons into a different spacetime it can not send them back to the star and have them obey different laws.

The fact of the matter is that we see exactly the same physics in different stars. That means that those stars are in our spacetime.

Not OUR past!

Since they are in our spacetime, yes it is our past.

No. I am seeing light in our timespace. That does nothing to tell me if time exists where the star is.

The spectra of the star does tell you that, as already shown.

Comically absurd. You see light ONLY here. Period. You can't see time can you? How would you know if it was different far away or not??

Yes, I can see time pass out there in the universe. Your denial does not make it go away.

 

[ebia]

False. A light year is a measure of how far light would travel in a year. That means time. Totally. If time didn't exist as it does here a few light years away, then one could not claim light would take a year to get here...regardless of how many miles away it is!

Your excessive reliance on etymology is nice.

 

[dad]

You are claiming that the star is not in our spacetime, so it wouldn't have to obey our laws.

I am asking how science would know? The bible does seem to indicate stars have a definite spiritual connection as well as a connection to time. I am not in the habit of doubting the Almighty for no reason.

The laws that govern the absorption and emission of wavelengths would not apply since there was no absorbing or emitting in our spacetime, according to you.

?? The laws that do that are here.

Therefore, when there is a distortion of these photons into a different spacetime it can not send them back to the star and have them obey different laws.

Send them back? What the...?

The fact of the matter is that we see exactly the same physics in different stars. That means that those stars are in our spacetime.

The fact of the matter is that ALL you see of stars is HERE in OUR space time!! Photons behave a certain way here.

Since they are in our spacetime, yes it is our past.

Just because we hear a train go by in our room, doesn't mean that it is the past...at least not the distant past.

In fact, if time did not exist in deep space persay, we could be seeing the future, or live time for all we know. The message God wanted to get into our spacetime via the star would be seen exactly when it should here!

The spectra of the star does tell you that, as already shown.

The colors in light here of a star we see far away do not tell us how or if time exists there.

Yes, I can see time pass out there in the universe. Your denial does not make it go away.

You cannot see time. You see things happen that take time here in our time and space

 

[TLK Valentine]

I am asking how science would know? The bible does seem to indicate stars have a definite spiritual connection as well as a connection to time. I am not in the habit of doubting the Almighty for no reason.

Chapter and verse?

The laws that do that are here.

But are they on the other side of the room where the clock is?

And if you go to the clock to examine it, how do you know they remained constant in the place where you once were?

Just because we hear a train go by in our room, doesn't mean that it is the past...at least not the distant past.

Well how far back in the past are you willing to trust? How far outside your own personal comfort zone can the laws of the universe be reliable?

In fact, if time did not exist in deep space persay, we could be seeing the future, or live time for all we know. The message God wanted to get into our spacetime via the star would be seen exactly when it should here!

And if God were an English Sheepdog named "Bosko"...

The colors in light here of a star we see far away do not tell us how or if time exists there.
You cannot see time. You see things happen that take time here in our time and space

And you can't even prove that "our" time and space is reliable -- how do you know time is the same where we are as opposed to where you are?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

False. You mean taking place in the aton HERE! Naturally it would HAVE to be according to our rules and time. Not like time here CAN exist any other way than it does!! Is this not simple? Am I gifted to be able to see this? It sure seems elementary to me.

A spectrum line in light from a star does NOT originate from an atom here, it originates from where the light started. And we DO see differences in very distant light . . . ever hear of the "red shift"? Observation of the "red shift" proves that we are not observing local atom characteristics.

Don't try to tell false things about what I mean. Its one thing to say I'm wrong, its another thing to tell me what I mean when its not what I mean.

Your confusion about what the evidence shows is reconciled in your own mind by simply dismissing it. I simply cannot concede that is a reasonable thing to do.

 

[ebia]

A. . ever hear of the "red shift"?

Judging by the logic of the OP he probably takes it to mean something to do with the time of day communists go to work.

 

[dad]

Chapter and verse?

For what, there were several points there. Don't you know the bible even a little?

But are they on the other side of the room where the clock is?

Who cares?

And if you go to the clock to examine it, how do you know they remained constant in the place where you once were?

I'll take it by faith that the watches were close enough not to matter.

Well how far back in the past are you willing to trust? How far outside your own personal comfort zone can the laws of the universe be reliable?

About 4400 years, and not much further than out solar system.

And you can't even prove that "our" time and space is reliable -- how do you know time is the same where we are as opposed to where you are?

The issue is how science claims it is beyond their puddle.

 

[dad]

A spectrum line in light from a star does NOT originate from an atom here, it originates from where the light started.

It is seen here! Whatever is able to be seen and exist here also MUST exist here. Get a grip.

And we DO see differences in very distant light . . . ever hear of the "red shift"? Observation of the "red shift" proves that we are not observing local atom characteristics.

Possible time related. What about it? Here in our timespace that effect is related to other things...but that doesn't much matter now does it!?

Don't try to tell false things about what I mean. Its one thing to say I'm wrong, its another thing to tell me what I mean when its not what I mean.

If you mean that a star exists in our earth timespace, then you were righteously busted. If you means something else, gather up the courage and out and say it.

Your confusion about what the evidence shows is reconciled in your own mind by simply dismissing it. I simply cannot concede that is a reasonable thing to do.

What things in our timespace show depend entirely on whether the time and space where the the star is, is the same. Any confusion is yours.

If you want to come off sounding like you are dealing a lecture to a child, then clean it up, your act.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

It is seen here! Whatever is able to be seen and exist here also MUST exist here. Get a grip.


Possible time related. What about it? Here in our timespace that effect is related to other things...but that doesn't much matter now does it!?


If you mean that a star exists in our earth timespace, then you were righteously busted. If you means something else, gather up the courage and out and say it.

What things in our timespace show depend entirely on whether the time and space where the the star is, is the same. Any confusion is yours.

If you want to come off sounding like you are dealing a lecture to a child, then clean it up, your act.

More confused denial. Your schtick is old now.

 

[dad]

More confused denial. Your schtick is old now.

If someone was to believe you knew time existed the same in deep space, and there was some evidence for that, you might have something.

Shedding light on the true and actual limits of science and what is known is not denial, it is rejection. Just like some nommies have rejected the creator and worshipped man's wisdom over God's.

Now, if you can muster up something other than lukewarm spam posts, carry on.

 

[Strathos]

Were you not talking about gravitational lensing?

Yes, but how does anything I said have anything to do with what you said?

 

[Loudmouth]

It is seen here!

It is produced there. You can't send the photon back to the star to be reabsorbed once it arrives at Earth.

If you mean that a star exists in our earth timespace, then you were righteously busted.

All we have is your blabbering to support a different timespace. You have no evidence, and you can't even understand simple concepts such as parallax and star spectra.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am asking how science would know?

I just showed you. We look at star spectral lines and compare them to the spectral lines produced by the same gasses here on Earth.

The bible does seem to indicate stars have a definite spiritual connection as well as a connection to time. I am not in the habit of doubting the Almighty for no reason.

When you get done worshipping the Bible, get back to us. The Map is not the Territory.

 

[dad]

Yes, but how does anything I said have anything to do with what you said?

Your job is to try to make sense and be clear.

 

[Loudmouth]

Your job is to try to make sense and be clear.

 

[dad]

It is produced there. You can't send the photon back to the star to be reabsorbed once it arrives at Earth.

Great, glad we got the obvious cleared up and out of the way. meanwhile, every bit of light that comes into our timespace must obey the rules here, regardless of how long or far it traveled to get here. We see it HERE! All of your attempts to claim that all time and space must be the same because of the way we see things HERE is of no avail.

All we have is your blabbering to support a different timespace.

All we have is your blabbering to support a universal same timespace.You have no evidence, and you can't even understand simple concepts such as parallax and star spectra. Instead, you want to pretend that the things here in our timespace that we can see, in some way are obeying rules from somewhere else! You are making a fundamental error in logic.

 

[Loudmouth]

Great, glad we got the obvious cleared up and out of the way. meanwhile, every bit of light that comes into our timespace must obey the rules here, regardless of how long or far it traveled to get here.

How would that cause the light to have absorption lines that are the same as gases here on Earth? Explain the mechanism.

All we have is your blabbering to support a universal same timespace.You have no evidence, and you can't even understand simple concepts such as parallax and star spectra. Instead, you want to pretend that the things here in our timespace that we can see, in some way are obeying rules from somewhere else! You are making a fundamental error in logic.

You don't even know what produces a star's spectrum, do you?

 

[dad]

I just showed you. We look at star spectral lines and compare them to the spectral lines produced by the same gasses here on Earth.

Exactly. However what you seem to miss is that the light FROM the star is only seen FROM our time and space! How would it not line up with things on earth??

When you get done worshipping the Bible, get back to us. The Map is not the Territory.

Oh brother. Not that imaginary map again. A worshiper of God in spirit would respect the things He revealed to man in His word. It comes from God, and is alive. Living words. He is in them. That is how He appears to us in this timespace that is temporary and physical! After all, it isn't like He walks into you bedroom each day, smiles, and chats it up sitting on your bed now is it?

His words are eternal, and will still exist after this temporary world is long gone.