Why Parallax doesn't work

[dad]

Maybe space aliens have implanted a chip in your brain that makes you incapable of understanding even the simplest scientific concepts? That's just as likely as any of the other stuff you just claimed.

The issue here is not whether you like the truth of what God said about the firmament. (space). The issue is whether you could say something relevant from science or the bible.


One interesting side note, is that the bible uses a mysterious terminology when dealing with the last 3 and a half years of man's history as fallen rulers of earth. Both in Daniel and Revelation, it refers to that very end part of the end time as the 'dividing of time'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be amazed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The issue here is not whether you like the truth of what God said about the firmament. (space).

Did God ever say time was different in the firmament (space)?

 

[dad]

Did God ever say time was different in the firmament (space)?

Well, if demons live there, one suspects that there is more than earth rules at work. As mentioned, the stars were created for us, and the reasons given have to do with time for earth.

The issue is whether we know time is the same out there or not. There is no reason to assume it is from God that I have seen yet, and certainly none from science.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well, if demons live there, one suspects that there is more than earth rules at work.

Then why do we observe everything operating in a way that is identical to Earth rules?

The issue is whether we know time is the same out there or not. There is no reason to assume it is from God that I have seen yet, and certainly none from science.

I have already shown you the evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. Your view of the stars demonstrates that you are wildly wrong to the core and can't make a case.


Stop the special pleading here, trying to beg us to accept your belief system foisted onto the stars!

Demonstrate that I am wrong with evidence.

 

[Strathos]

Great so what does that tell us? It may tell us that gravity is not the same out there. Or maybe there are other causes for light bending! Maybe also that you got the distances wrong! We could go on and on here. Why assume we all must be bludgeoned into your particular godless belief system?

Except that doesn't follow from what I said at all...

 

[Queller]

Prove it. You are talking through your hat.

I don't have to prove anything. Science has already done it for me. This statement of yours however, will be my go to response for every unevidenced claim you make from here on out.

You do not even know what a star is.

Don't tell lies about me. I know perfectly well what a star is.

Things correspond, don't worry. Why talk vague nonsense?

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is nonsense.

To you, maybe.

OK, so what day is Christ returning? If you can't tell me the day or month or even the year then His return is in the indefinite future.

But there isn't much that is definite for you apparently!

Again you tell lies about me. There are lots of things that are definite for me. For example, tomorrow I have an appointment at 9:30. As it takes me 15 minutes to get to my appointment and I don't like to be late, I will leave my home NLT 9:10. Therefore current time spent in my home has a definite ending at 9:10 tomorrow.

Yes, it is interesting to know that the stars involve a lot more than the hot gas science puts out.

I will admit I have no idea what this is supposed to be in response to.

 

[Queller]

The issue here is not whether you like the truth of what God said about the firmament. (space).

I do believe the truth about what God said in the Bible. I simply don't agree with your ridiculous and unevidenced "different state past" idea.

BTW, if firmament means outer space, where is/are the waters above the firmament? Suuport your answer with both scripture and science.

The issue is whether you could say something relevant from science or the bible.

Why would I need to? You never have.

One interesting side note, is that the bible uses a mysterious terminology when dealing with the last 3 and a half years of man's history as fallen rulers of earth. Both in Daniel and Revelation, it refers to that very end part of the end time as the 'dividing of time'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be amazed.

I'm amazed that in all the years I've seen your posts, you have never once provided any evidence for your claims.

 

[dad]

Then why do we observe everything operating in a way that is identical to Earth rules?

How would you expect to see time? You thought it was labeled? 'Gee, it looks like time is the same way out there in the blackness..'

I have already shown you the evidence.

False. If I look at the spectral lines of some element on the space station, it would not tell me how time was there would it? No more would looking at star spectra tell us if time existed the same as here...there.

 

[dad]

Except that doesn't follow from what I said at all...

Were you not talking about gravitational lensing?

 

[dad]

Demonstrate that I am wrong with evidence.

The evidence is that science doesn't know and cannot show us here that it knows what time exists in deep space. The evidence is that God seems to indicate earth time is temporal, and that stars were put there to set earth time.

For you to wistfully peer out in space, and declare that time is the same, because a star has a spectrum, or some such is less impressive than a stargazer of old, who told us what went on.

 

[dad]

I don't have to prove anything.

Me either.

Science has already done it for me.

Science does not even know what tome IS, much less if and how it may exist in the far universe actually.

I know perfectly well what a star is.

Not in any way is that remotely close to a shadow of the truth.

Science has assigned sizes and distances by a belief that time 'golly gee, just must be the same out there' and proceeded from there to all manner of truly insane claims.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is nonsense.

It is what I do understand and what you say that makes it less than nonsense.

OK, so what day is Christ returning? If you can't tell me the day or month or even the year then His return is in the indefinite future.

We don't know that. His coming is a military operation, that is like a surprise attack, and He doesn't want the enemy alerted. He comes as a thief in the night. Suddenly...boom!

There are lots of things that are definite for me. For example, tomorrow I have an appointment at 9:30. As it takes me 15 minutes to get to my appointment and I don't like to be late, I will leave my home NLT 9:10. Therefore current time spent in my home has a definite ending at 9:10 tomorrow.

This is what you bring to the table in a scientific discussion on the nature of time in far space?? Your idea of definite seems to be trivial and irrelevant. But why fly all around the barnyard clucking?? The issue was whether the earth was temporary, not watching you play word games.

I will admit I have no idea what this is supposed to be in response to.

That's a start.

 

[dad]

I do believe the truth about what God said in the Bible.

Oh? Great. So tell us plainly then, do you believe Jesus created the world and man? Do you believe He is coming again, and that this world will pass away?

I simply don't agree with your ridiculous and unevidenced "different state past" idea.

You do not agree Noah lived many many centuries, or that there was a flood?? What, praytell DO you believe in all of Genesis? How about Abraham?

BTW, if firmament means outer space, where is/are the waters above the firmament? Suuport your answer with both scripture and science.

Science has never been and has no capacity whatsoever to go beyond all space. If there were waters above space and waters below, and the waters from above came down in 'windows of heaven' then it is what it is. The wormholes or portals of some sort, that transcended time and space opened up for the water out there.

I'm amazed that in all the years I've seen your posts, you have never once provided any evidence for your claims.

Since you claim to believe in the bible, you should know that God used evidences that are not like those of manscience.

 

[dad]

"
The laws of physics may not be as set in stone as previously imagined.
One of the laws of nature seems to vary depending on where in the universe you are, research suggests."




Laws of physics 'can change' depending on where you are in the universe | Daily Mail Online

 

[Loudmouth]

The evidence is that science doesn't know and cannot show us here that it knows what time exists in deep space.

I have shown you that very evidence. You dismiss it without any reason for doing so.

For you to wistfully peer out in space, and declare that time is the same, because a star has a spectrum, or some such is less impressive than a stargazer of old, who told us what went on.

You are going to need to do more than call people names. You need to deal with the actual evidence instead of attacking the people who present the evidence.

 

[Queller]

Me either.

We've known that for years.

Science does not even know what tome IS, much less if and how it may exist in the far universe actually.

Science knows perfectly well what a tome is. It is a book, usually large or scholarly. Science also know what time is.

Time: 1.a the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues : duration. b : a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future.

Not in any way is that remotely close to a shadow of the truth.

I'm getting real tired of you telling lies about me.

Science has assigned sizes and distances by a belief that time 'golly gee, just must be the same out there' and proceeded from there to all manner of truly insane claims.

Do you have any idea why science operates that way? Because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to believe that time operates differently elsewhere in the universe.

It is what I do understand and what you say that makes it less than nonsense.

You have shown no sign that you understand anything.

We don't know that.

And therefore His return is sometime in the indefinite future. Thank you for finally getting it.

His coming is a military operation, that is like a surprise attack, and He doesn't want the enemy alerted. He comes as a thief in the night. Suddenly...boom!

Again, thank you for confirming the His return is indefinite.

This is what you bring to the table in a scientific discussion on the nature of time in far space?? Your idea of definite seems to be trivial and irrelevant.

My idea of definite is precisely in line with the standard definition of the word.

But why fly all around the barnyard clucking??

I don't know, I've never understood why you do it.

The issue was whether the earth was temporary, not watching you play word games.

No, the issue was whether the earth ending is at a definite time or an indefinite one. You agreed above that the earth's ending is indefinite.

That's a start.

No, most of your posts don't make much sense. That was just another one.

 

[dad]

I have shown you that very evidence. You dismiss it without any reason for doing so.

I have shown you that very evidence is just your beliefs and has no support at all. You dismiss facing the truth without any reason for doing so. Nothing about anything you have cited shows time is the same in ANY way at all.


You need to do more than allude to evidence and say the word as if it was not all on my side.

 

[Queller]

Oh? Great. So tell us plainly then, do you believe Jesus created the world and man?

Yes.

Do you believe He is coming again,

Yes.

and that this world will pass away?

Yes

You do not agree Noah lived many many centuries,

No.

or that there was a flood??

A flood? Absolutely.

A worldwide flood that covered the tops of the Himalayas but left absolutely no evidence behind? No.

What, praytell DO you believe in all of Genesis? How about Abraham?

I believe all of Genesis that agrees with he fingerprints God left behind in the real world. It was written by fallible men after all.

Science has never been and has no capacity whatsoever to go beyond all space. If there were waters above space and waters below, and the waters from above came down in 'windows of heaven' then it is what it is. The wormholes or portals of some sort, that transcended time and space opened up for the water out there.

Please see a doctor or at least check your temperature and have some fluids. You appear to have a fever.

Since you claim to believe in the bible, you should know that God used evidences that are not like those of manscience.

We are talking about science here. Maybe you forgot that. Are you claiming that God makes time pass differently in other parts of the universe?

 

[dad]

We've known that for years.

Science does need evidence for it's claims. Whatever you think you know must include that lack of proof we see screaming out from your every post here!

Science also know what time is.

Then define it, and show how we know it also exists in furthest space.

Time: 1.a the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues : duration. b : a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future.

That says basically almost nothing!

WHERE is it measured? Here! Measurable by who? Us here in the present world, and science. That says precious little. We sit on the dock of the bay and watch time go by, basically! That doesn't define it!

Do you have any idea why science operates that way? Because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to believe that time operates differently elsewhere in the universe.

Very funny. There is no evidence of any kind that says it is the same either. Otherwise we would be reading it here rather than being inflicted with yours and Loudmouth's fanatical denial.

You have shown no sign that you understand anything.

I don't quite understand this.

And therefore His return is sometime in the indefinite future. Thank you for finally getting it.

Great. This is news?? Why dance around the field of daisies all day and night just to get to the obvious??

Again, thank you for confirming the His return is indefinite.

His return is certain! We do not know when the first part of that return (rapture) will be. The final return with His saints to rule will be much better known.

No, the issue was whether the earth ending is at a definite time or an indefinite one. You agreed above that the earth's ending is indefinite.

The Rapture is at a time that is not known. You can call that whatever you like.

How about this one, more on topic... can you tell us exactly how time and space are woven together here and in near space? You see, if time is involved, then the baseline for parallax measurements involves time IN the so called distance measure. By assuming that space and time are the same where the stars are, you are merely making a statement of pure faith, and faith alone. Is that what you thought science was all about!!?

No, most of your posts don't make much sense. That was just another one.[/quote]

 

[dad]

A worldwide flood that covered the tops of the Himalayas but left absolutely no evidence behind? No.

Me either. The Himalayas were likely pushed up later.

I believe all of Genesis that agrees with he fingerprints God left behind in the real world. It was written by fallible men after all.

In other words you claim Genesis is fallible. Maybe when Jesus met with Moses on the mountain, He should have warned us that Genesis and the writing of Moses were actually nonsense!?

Please see a doctor or at least check your temperature and have some fluids. You appear to have a fever.

You think believing in portals in space as described in the bible is bad??

We are talking about science here. Maybe you forgot that. Are you claiming that God makes time pass differently in other parts of the universe?

If it is different, how else would it have got there?? What fits best with the bible description of space and stars?

How could a star fall to earth if it took billions of years?