An attempt to eliminate God.

[Elder 111]

Jesus is of Israel. Salvation is through Him,not through keeping laws other people are subject to.

Yes salvation is through Jesus who gave the same commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

No answer eh? IF you can't come up with 10... you can't call it 10. So far all I can see from your arguments is that you can't count past 9 when it comes to the New Testament 9 means 10 to you folks.

Are there 9 mention anyway? In Mat. 19 Jesus did not mention 9 can you show 9? I myself can not think of 9 right now. If there is not nine then what? (I am excluding the Sabbath in the count at this time. We are only dealing with the other nine)

 

[VictorC]

Jesus is of Israel. Salvation is through Him,not through keeping laws other people are subject to.

Yes salvation is through Jesus who gave the same commandments.

Scripture, please.

 

[Elder 111]

It was implied by your response I was just connecting the dots of where you were headed in it all

Only God reads the heart.

 

[Elder 111]

Scripture, please.

Jesus is the I AM that was with Moses and Israel. Right or wrong?

 

[VictorC]

Jesus is the I AM that was with Moses and Israel. Right or wrong?

Is this indicative that you made up your claim, and can find nothing at all to support it?
That's what we have told you for a very long time.
You should retract your claim, since it is a lie.

 

[Elder 111]

Is this indicative that you made up your claim, and can find nothing at all to support it?
That's what we have told you for a very long time.
You should retract your claim, since it is a lie.

Jesus was there all the way. Tell Paul retract!
1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[VictorC]

Jesus was there all the way. Tell Paul retract!
1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Do you think you're going to weasel out of an answer using deflection?
Sound bite metaphors are not an answer. You either show us where the old covenant was conveyed to the Gentile nations or to His adopted children, or else retract your claim as the bogus error you made.
Reading comprehension is expected from you. Review your claim:

Jesus is of Israel. Salvation is through Him,not through keeping laws other people are subject to.

Yes salvation is through Jesus who gave the same commandments.

Scripture, please.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Yes salvation is through Jesus who gave the same commandments.

In other words one who refuses to keep the 10 has their salvation ripped from them.

 

[listed]

Yes salvation is through Jesus who gave the same commandments.

What same commandments?

 

[listed]

In other words one who refuses to keep the 10 has their salvation ripped from them.

Only the 4th. As others are openly violated including the 4th. I guess that leaves theft, murder, adultery, coveting and obeying your parents. Well 50 % is not to awful bad.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Only the 4th. As others are openly violated including the 4th. I guess that leaves theft, murder, adultery, coveting and obeying your parents. Well 50 % is not to awful bad.

ironic that loving your neighbor isn't good enough for them

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Yes salvation is through Jesus who gave the same commandments.

Gave them specifically to Israel. (Insert emoticon here to try and strengthen my case)

 

[Elder 111]

In other words one who refuses to keep the 10 has their salvation ripped from them.

Unless you are going to tell me that we can lie and steal etc. and still be at one with God, you agree with me that the answer is yes!

 

[VictorC]

In other words one who refuses to keep the 10 has their salvation ripped from them.

Unless you are going to tell me that we can lie and steal etc. and still be at one with God, you agree with me that the answer is yes!

Your 'unless - then' scenario is based on a fallacy, and I'm pretty sure you already know it isn't going to find agreement.

Here we have it in writing: this Adventist openly admits his salvation is dependent on compliance with the old covenant from Mount Sinai. Elder111's performance is the final determinant, and not God's performance.

That is in defiance of the Gospel.

Romans 4
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”​

 

[listed]

Unless you are going to tell me that we can lie and steal etc. and still be at one with God, you agree with me that the answer is yes!

No. Trying to force it does not change reality.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Unless you are going to tell me that we can lie and steal etc. and still be at one with God, you agree with me that the answer is yes!

You still turn a blind eye anytime someone points out that similar precepts may come up in more than one legal system.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Unless you are going to tell me that we can lie and steal etc. and still be at one with God, you agree with me that the answer is yes!

Over and over you REFUSE to admit that loving your neighbor makes most of these commandments you condemn us with unnecessary and repetitive. It is nothing but a sham trying to say they are BETTER than loving because without the 10 the Sabbath commandment is all out there alone with nobody to acknowledge its validity beyond a Jewish only ritual in the NT and one must go back to the OT where it starts and is prevalent.

 

[Elder 111]

VictorC
Are not to walk according the the commandments? Doing "good works"
Ephesians2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

VictorC
Are not to walk according the the commandments? Doing "good works"
Ephesians2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Good works, yes. Commandments intended for a specific people? No.