Dating Methods

[lasthero]

Yes, apparently what you choose to put your faith in.

Not faith.

So, are you going to address any points and engage in actual debates, or are you just going to keep doing your Ken Ham impresion?

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, apparently what you choose to put your faith in. Naturalistic philosophy.
On paper.

False. We trust Methodological Naturalism because of its track record. We have evidence that it works. No faith needed.

 

[EternalDragon]

They aren't fully complex. They don't have tissues, organs, limbs, etc.

A bacteria is complex.

Apparently you think complex means you have to have limbs and organs
like a human.

 

[Loudmouth]

A bacteria is complex.

Is it fully complex? How do you determine if a species is fully complex?

Apparently you think complex means you have to have limbs and organs like a human.

Then tell us what it means. What are the criteria you use to determine if a species is fully complex, fully functional, and has no ancestors that lacked that complexity and function.

 

[lasthero]

A bacteria is complex.

What, exactly, do you mean when you use that word, 'complex'?

 

[EternalDragon]

What, exactly, do you mean when you use that word, 'complex'?

You don't have a dictionary?

 

[Loudmouth]

You don't have a dictionary?

Where in the dictionary does it define "fully complex" as it applies to species and fossils?

 

[lasthero]

You don't have a dictionary?

The dictionary I have simply defines complex as being a whole made up of interrelated parts. If that's what you want to go with, I could say that a mountain is more complex than a human, because it's made up of more atoms. Somehow, I don't think you want to go that route.

 

[EternalDragon]

The dictionary I have simply defines complex as being a whole made up of interrelated parts. If that's what you want to go with, I could say that a mountain is more complex than a human, because it's made up of more atoms. Somehow, I don't think you want to go that route.

Atoms don't make a mountain alive and a mountain does not have
DNA nor can it digest matter for energy. It does not reproduce.

If you want to say a mountain is more complex than a human then
you don't have a clue. Do you actually study any of the books you have
claimed to have studied?

 

[lasthero]

Atoms don't make a mountain alive and a mountain does not have
DNA nor can it digest matter for energy. It does not reproduce.

Being alive is not part of the defintion of complex. You asked that I used a dictionary, and by the dictionary's definition, a mountain is more complex than a human.

Unless you're using some other, special definition of complex. In which case, maybe you should clarify what you mean.

 

[EternalDragon]

Being alive is not part of the defintion of complex. You asked that I used a dictionary, and by the dictionary's definition, a mountain is more complex than a human.

Unless you're using some other, special definition of complex. In which case, maybe you should clarify what you mean.

Apparently then a sentence with an independent clause and one other
independent clause is more complex than a human being.

Are you for real? We were discussing biological life a few posts back.
Not rocks. Not complex sentences. Not an apartment complex. Not military
complexes.

 

[lasthero]

Apparently then a sentence with an independent clause and one other
independent clause is more complex than a human being.

Are you for real? We were discussing biological life a few posts back.
Not rocks. Not complex sentences. Not an apartment complex. Not military
complexes.

You told me to look in a dictionary, and I did. It's not my fault that the definition of complex doesn't pertain to life specifically.

If you have some special definition of complex, please, share it with the class.

 

[EternalDragon]

You told me to look in a dictionary, and I did. It's not my fault that the definition of complex doesn't pertain to life specifically.

If you have some special definition of complex, please, share it with the class.

You seem to have a hard time with terms and concepts. Were we talking
about biological complexity or not?

You probably learned this in your biology class. Were you sitting there
asking the teacher to define the word "complex" and comparing the
parasite to a mountain? Did you even pass your biology class at all?

With selection, evolution can also produce more complex organisms. Complexity often arises in the co-evolution of hosts and pathogens,[7] with each side developing ever more sophisticated adaptations, such as the immune system and the many techniques pathogens have developed to evade it. For example, the parasite Trypanosoma brucei, which causes sleeping sickness, has evolved so many copies of its major surface antigen that about 10% of its genome is devoted to different versions of this one gene. This tremendous complexity allows the parasite to constantly change its surface and thus evade the immune system through antigenic variation.

Evolution of biological complexity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Loudmouth]

Atoms don't make a mountain alive and a mountain does not have
DNA nor can it digest matter for energy. It does not reproduce.

Being alive and being able to reproduce are found nowhere in the dictionary definition of complex.

 

[Loudmouth]

You seem to have a hard time with terms and concepts. Were we talking
about biological complexity or not?

So what makes a species fully complex?

You probably learned this in your biology class. Were you sitting there
asking the teacher to define the word "complex" and comparing the
parasite to a mountain? Did you even pass your biology class at all?

With selection, evolution can also produce more complex organisms. Complexity often arises in the co-evolution of hosts and pathogens,[7] with each side developing ever more sophisticated adaptations, such as the immune system and the many techniques pathogens have developed to evade it. For example, the parasite Trypanosoma brucei, which causes sleeping sickness, has evolved so many copies of its major surface antigen that about 10% of its genome is devoted to different versions of this one gene. This tremendous complexity allows the parasite to constantly change its surface and thus evade the immune system through antigenic variation.

Evolution of biological complexity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am still not seeing the term "fully complex". Can you please define that for us?

 

[lasthero]

You seem to have a hard time with terms and concepts. Were we talking
about biological complexity or not?

Did you ask me to look in a dictionary or did you not?

You probably learned this in your biology class. Were you sitting there
asking the teacher to define the word "complex" and comparing the
parasite to a mountain? Did you even pass your biology class at all

Did you even take one? Because I'm not the one here who thought that, because tetrapods were mammals, that meant that mammals appeared in the Devonian. That's a mistake a fourth grader would make. Or someone who's never even been in the same room as a biology book.

My teacher never used that word, because complexity is a subjective term. It's not like things have objective complexity. What appears complex to someone might not to someone else who understands it better.

 

[SkyWriting]

Where is the circular logic?

You have also changed your accusation. Before, you said that the "method supports it's own conclusions". Now you have changed it to" science backs up science". At least try to stick to one accusation at a time.

You may have both accusations.
The circle is 123 123 123

 

[Loudmouth]

You may have both accusations.
The circle is 123 123 123

Are you sane?

Please show us the circular argument that you claim is there.

 

[J0hnSm1th]

Do you think that a newly created planet, by whatever process is required to make a fully habitable planet in around a day or so by an unknown intelligent designer, would show the same parent and daughter ratios or would it exclude one, the other or both?

If God, by his power, embedded age in Creation, then it could appear to be any age. Even billions of years old. However what about the missing isotopes? ie those with half lives less than 70 million years. Shouldn't these be present in a young universe?