Time for the truth 7

[Steeno7]

Amen! It's about time someone here is speaking with godly sense.

Ummmm, he didn't say anything, he just posted some scripture he plucked out. If that got you so excited you're gonna really pop your cork over what came just before that;

"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and NOT in oldness of the letter. Rom. 7:7-12

Are you still jumping for joy?

 

[listed]

You need to read it with the Holy Spirit and not your preconceived ideas.

Fortunately for me you are not the Holy Spirit. You did not get your idea from Him either.

 

[listed]

When was the Sabbath a tradition of man? where in scripture do you see the Sabbath called a tradition? I await eagerly you revelation.

Nothing but more abject nonsense from you to borrow VictorC's phrase.

 

[listed]

Yes Paul is very twisted.

 

[mmksparbud]

Ummmm, he didn't say anything, he just posted some scripture he plucked out. If that got you so excited you're gonna really pop your cork over what came just before that;

"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and NOT in oldness of the letter. Rom. 7:7-12

Are you still jumping for joy?

Well-- I don't know about him--but this old lady is!--
And if you call quoting scripture "saying nothing"--then it's no wonder you do not seem to understand.

(Rom 7:7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

(Rom 7:8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

(Rom 7:9) For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

(Rom 7:10) And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

(Rom 7:11) For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

(Rom 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[maco]

Ummmm, he didn't say anything, he just posted some scripture he plucked out. If that got you so excited you're gonna really pop your cork over what came just before that;

"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and NOT in oldness of the letter. Rom. 7:7-12

Are you still jumping for joy?

I love the fact that I'm dead to the Law. The Law demands death to sinners and since I'm dead already the Law has no power. Oh how I love the Law of the LORD. It's holy, just and good and I love things from God that are holy, just and good. I love the fact that God cares so much for us that He teaches us how to have the fullness of life in spite of our flaws and weaknesses. I don't view the Law with a meritorious mindset, but rather, I view the Law like King David did in Psalms 119. Take some time and meditate on Psalms 119. Those who have the same heart as King David will love life in the millennium and even more when all things are made new and death, sorrow and pain are done forever. Let God write His Law in your heart and you, just Paul and myself, will delight in the Law of God. I can't wait for the time when we rule and reign with Jesus. Jesus will sit on King David's throne and rule with the same heart for the Law of God. There will be no corrupt government in God's kingdom nor will there be corrupt judges. Jesus will rule His kingdom with a rob of iron and the Law of the LORD will fill the whole earth. Many on this forum won't like it very much in the millennial kingdom unless they repent and love the Law of the LORD for it is holy, just and good. Holy, just and good are eternal qualities that will never go away.

 

[Steeno7]

I love the fact that I'm dead to the Law. The Law demands death to sinners and since I'm dead already the Law has no power. Oh how I love the Law of the LORD. It's holy, just and good and I love things from God that are holy, just and good. I love the fact that God cares so much for us that He teaches us how to have the fullness of life in spite of our flaws and weaknesses. I don't view the Law with a meritorious mindset, but rather, I view the Law like King David did in Psalms 119. Take some time and meditate on Psalms 119. Those who have the same heart as King David will love life in the millennium and even more when all things are made new and death, sorrow and pain are done forever. Let God write His Law in your heart and you, just Paul and myself, will delight in the Law of God. I can't wait for the time when we rule and reign with Jesus. Jesus will sit on King David's throne and rule with the same heart for the Law of God. There will be no corrupt government in God's kingdom nor will there be corrupt judges. Jesus will rule His kingdom with a rob of iron and the Law of the LORD will fill the whole earth. Many on this forum won't like it very much in the millennial kingdom unless they repent and love the Law of the LORD for it is holy, just and good. Holy, just and good are eternal qualities that will never go away.

As you have been shown already, those who love the Law don't cheapen the Law by lowering its standard to something they think they can manage. It is thinking that is straight out of the pit, it is thinking that God will accept anything less than the perfect righteousness of Jesus.

 

[Steeno7]

Well-- I don't know about him--but this old lady is!--
And if you call quoting scripture "saying nothing"--then it's no wonder you do not seem to understand.

What is it you think I don't understand?

 

[listed]

Well-- I don't know about him--but this old lady is!--
And if you call quoting scripture "saying nothing"--then it's no wonder you do not seem to understand.

(Rom 7:7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

(Rom 7:8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

(Rom 7:9) For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

(Rom 7:10) And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

(Rom 7:11) For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

(Rom 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Since you are merely quoting Scripture really intending to say nothing (hehe) why oh why did you not include -

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[listed]

I love the fact that I'm dead to the Law. The Law demands death to sinners and since I'm dead already the Law has no power. Oh how I love the Law of the LORD. It's holy, just and good and I love things from God that are holy, just and good. I love the fact that God cares so much for us that He teaches us how to have the fullness of life in spite of our flaws and weaknesses. I don't view the Law with a meritorious mindset, but rather, I view the Law like King David did in Psalms 119. Take some time and meditate on Psalms 119. Those who have the same heart as King David will love life in the millennium and even more when all things are made new and death, sorrow and pain are done forever. Let God write His Law in your heart and you, just Paul and myself, will delight in the Law of God. I can't wait for the time when we rule and reign with Jesus. Jesus will sit on King David's throne and rule with the same heart for the Law of God. There will be no corrupt government in God's kingdom nor will there be corrupt judges. Jesus will rule His kingdom with a rob of iron and the Law of the LORD will fill the whole earth. Many on this forum won't like it very much in the millennial kingdom unless they repent and love the Law of the LORD for it is holy, just and good. Holy, just and good are eternal qualities that will never go away.

Can a dead man do anything? You claim they can and in fact are obligated. Please explain.

 

[mmksparbud]

Since you are merely quoting Scripture really intending to say nothing (hehe) why oh why did you not include -

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The rest of the verses go on to explain quite well what verse 6 means--no need to exclude all the rest for the one. It's always best to take all verses into account. not just one.

 

[Elder 111]

The rest of the verses go on to explain quite well what verse 6 means--no need to exclude all the rest for the one. It's always best to take all verses into account. not just one.

We are accused of doing such but when they do it, it is holy. Truth be told that is the only way that they illogical position can begin to appear right. When the contexts are taken into full consideration there is no merit to they arguments, none what so ever.

 

[listed]

The rest of the verses go on to explain quite well what verse 6 means--no need to exclude all the rest for the one. It's always best to take all verses into account. not just one.

Are you trying to say we are delivered from (which you omitted) and bound to the law at the same time?

 

[listed]

We are accused of doing such but when they do it, it is holy. Truth be told that is the only way that they illogical position can begin to appear right. When the contexts are taken into full consideration there is no merit to they arguments, none what so ever.

Maybe that is why even the words of Moses are avoided and tossed aside by you when we quote him.

 

[VictorC]

Maybe that is why even the words of Moses are avoided and tossed aside by you when we quote him.

I agree.
I have not seen others reject the Law of God as consistently as Elder111 does. Without the Holiness of the Law kept intact, he will never recognize God's redemption from the Mosaic covenant he was never given in the first place.

 

[Elder 111]

I agree.
I have not seen others reject the Law of God as consistently as Elder111 does. Without the Holiness of the Law kept intact, he will never recognize God's redemption from the Mosaic covenant he was never given in the first place.

You keep speaking of me rejecting the law, and I must say that I do not but whole support God" holy ten commandment law. Why is that an issue with you when you state that it is not for Christians today, I do not understand your reasoning.

 

[VictorC]

You keep speaking of me rejecting the law, and I must say that I do not but whole support God" holy ten commandment law. Why is that an issue with you when you state that it is not for Christians today, I do not understand your reasoning.

You can't claim to 'support' the Law while rejecting it as you have consistently each time someone shows you what it says. You probably don't understand that you're bearing false witness every time this absurd claim comes from your keyboard. Basic comprehension and honesty are prerequisites to the learning experience a discussion forum offers, and these requisites are your responsibility to embrace. That responsibility isn't borne by others.

 

[mmksparbud]

You can't claim to 'support' the Law while rejecting it as you have consistently each time someone shows you what it says. You probably don't understand that you're bearing false witness every time this absurd claim comes from your keyboard. Basic comprehension and honesty are prerequisites to the learning experience a discussion forum offers, and these requisites are your responsibility to embrace. That responsibility isn't borne by others.

That is a very interesting statement, You claim he rejects the law--yet you accuse him of accepting the law. I am interested in how you would know that he does not keep God's 10 commandments that he says he accepts??--Do you have a hidden camera in his home and one following him around to check up on him?--If he accepts God's 10 commandments, why do you say he doesn't keep them and is a liar when you totally reject them completely as binding and claim to be a holier person for it and saved and he is lost?? If he believes the law is binding yet relies on God's grace to save him if he does fail, how is he lost and less of a Christian than you who rejects the 10 commandments completely??---You are quite confusing me.

 

[VictorC]

That is a very interesting statement, You claim he rejects the law--yet you accuse him of accepting the law.

You need to show where this contradiction exists. I know already that it doesn't.

why do you say he doesn't keep them and is a liar when you totally reject them completely as binding

Neither one of you comprehends the meaning of 'binding', which denotes bondage to the ownership of the covenant from Mount Sinai given only to the children of Israel. That is a major problem both you you show when tossing around a term you don't accept the standard meaning of.

And all one has to do is review Elder111's posts, and see that he contradicts the Law defining the origin and the limited jurisdiction of the Sabbath. When pertinent quotes from the Law are provided, Elder111 rejects them. He continually bears false witness. He doesn't believe the Law, let alone keep it. This isn't hard.

If he believes the law is binding yet relies on God's grace to save him if he does fail

This is a oxymoron that is impossible to reconcile. You cannot belong to Jesus Christ and the Law concurrently. To say the Law is binding is to claim God's redemption doesn't exist.

Now look at the post times. Neither one of you considers the Sabbath holy, and neither one of you keep it holy. Neither one of you can show where God ever conveyed it to the Gentile nations. And yet, Ellen White wrote "It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord". How can you claim salvation in light of this soteriology of works both of you fail to satisfy?

It isn't my posts causing your confusion. It is the junk Adventism replaced the Gospel with.

 

[listed]

That is a very interesting statement, You claim he rejects the law--yet you accuse him of accepting the law. I am interested in how you would know that he does not keep God's 10 commandments that he says he accepts??--Do you have a hidden camera in his home and one following him around to check up on him?--If he accepts God's 10 commandments, why do you say he doesn't keep them and is a liar when you totally reject them completely as binding and claim to be a holier person for it and saved and he is lost?? If he believes the law is binding yet relies on God's grace to save him if he does fail, how is he lost and less of a Christian than you who rejects the 10 commandments completely??---You are quite confusing me.

Perhaps you have not read as many of his posts as we have.