Time for the truth 7

[listed]

How are you loose from the law? If the woman marries agains and have another while married does she not commit adultery? Oops!

You need to read Romans without your SDA glasses.

 

[listed]

Of course not! But I respect God and bow to Him and reverence His holy law.

hehe

 

[maco]

Can 1 retain salvation and not keep the Sabbath?

The first thing that comes to mind is why would you not want to keep the Sabbath if you're saved?

- a violation of the law and therefore sin according to you?

I appreciate the high and lofty position you put me in but I'm not God. God is the one who said the violation of the Law is sin, not me.

How when the law does not apply to Gentiles or Christians?

Does one need a Law to express one's love for God?

Listen to this and keep in mind how this took place many years after the resurrection of Jesus.

Notice who was begging Paul to teach them again the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

If the Sabbath was changed to Sunday this would be the perfect time for Paul to say something, but he didn't. As a matter of fact, almost the whole city came out on the next Sabbath to hear the word of God.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Who are all these non Jews honoring the Sabbath? This is what the Jews were saying with anger.

Acts 13:44-45 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.

Four things to keep in mind here.
1. This took place many years after Jesus' resurrection.
2. This is a powerful testimony for the early church honoring the Sabbath.
3. Non Jews were honoring the Sabbath and it made the Jews mad.
4. The congregation/church was honoring the Sabbath all while continuing in the grace of God.

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

 

[listed]

The first thing that comes to mind is why would you not want to keep the Sabbath if you're saved?



I appreciate the high and lofty position you put me in but I'm not God. God is the one who said the violation of the Law is sin, not me.



Does one need a Law to express one's love for God?

Listen to this and keep in mind how this took place many years after the resurrection of Jesus.

Notice who was begging Paul to teach them again the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

If the Sabbath was changed to Sunday this would be the perfect time for Paul to say something, but he didn't. As a matter of fact, almost the whole city came out on the next Sabbath to hear the word of God.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Who are all these non Jews honoring the Sabbath? This is what the Pharasees and Scribes were saying with anger.

Acts 13:44-45 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.

Four things to keep in mind here.
1. This took place many years after Jesus' resurrection.
2. This is a powerful testimony for the early church honoring the Sabbath.
3. Non Jews were honoring the Sabbath and it made the Jews mad.
4. The congregation was honoring the Sabbath all while continuing in the grace of God.

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

But now we are delivered from the law. Why would 1 desire to return to slavery is beyond me.

 

[maco]

But now we are delivered from the law. Why would 1 desire to return to slavery is beyond me.

To those who are not saved they are at enmity with the Law. But to those who are saved they delight in the Law and serve the Law.

Romans 7:25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

If the Law is done away with then so are these two verses. You need to understand what God is doing with us and His Law.

 

[VictorC]

You seem to thing that if I have not changed my position I did not read your Post. It is not for lack of me reading your post but for lack of you being correct.
The Ten commandments starts by saying serve God alone. When you can show me Why God would remove that and make sense maybe you can get an ear, Maybe!

You don't have the Ten Commandments, and never did as a Gentile in a foreign land. And, you have demonstrated that you don't keep it, and have no intention to.
Your response?
Question the Word of God instead of responding to what He says through His inspiration. As I mentioned before, you've killed your own argument. There's no need to beat a dead horse any longer.

 

[VictorC]

There are two ways to view the Law. One is as the means to attain right standing with God and the other as the means to express your love to God. Well I know in my flesh I stumble and fall by nature but my mind still knows that the Law of God is holy, righteous and good. In Christ my focus is no longer trying to make myself acceptable to God through the Law because in Christ I already am. So I now serve God by loving Him the way He defines love. You could say you serve the Law with the mind knowing that it is holy, righteous and good and profitable for expressing godly love.

Romans 7:25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

You could say that you delight in the Law according to the inward man.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

We don't obey the Law to be righteous, we are righteous so we obey the Law. We obey the Law through love even if it's not perfectly done in these sinful bodies.

You previously expressed your opinion that the Pauline epistles are -your words- "tradition of men". Why you quote material that you don't accept now doesn't help your previous opinion. And in this post, your opening sentence is so absurd you don't have any Biblical support for it.

 

[maco]

You previously expressed your opinion that the Pauline epistles are -your words- "tradition of men". Why you quote material that you don't accept now doesn't help your previous opinion. And in this post, your opening sentence is so absurd you don't have any Biblical support for it.

The Sabbath is not a tradition of man nor are any of the other nine. Look, you don't have to keep the Sabbath but I can tell you that you will keep it in the millennium even with a rod of iron.

Revelation 19:11-15 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[VictorC]

The problem is that you are believing that "delivered from" means deleting the law. The text does not even imply that!
If you were deliver from the path of a speeding car, would one take it that the car was destroyed? Or that your position in relation to the path of the car was changed?
Our relationship to the law has changed not the law! Are we delivered from serving God alone? Are we delivered to committed idolatry? Ah There lies the problem. That is what it would means if there is no law for Christians to observe.

Again, your response is to question the Word of God instead of offering a viable comment. You just saw what Scripture says:

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.​

This isn't hard at all.
Question 1: What entity have we severed our relationship with? "you also have become dead to the law"
Question 2: For what reason have we severed our relationship with that former entity? "that you may be married to another".

Stop practicing adultery, and instead of questioning Scripture accept it at face value.

 

[VictorC]

The Sabbath is not a tradition of man nor are any of the other nine. Look, you don't have to keep the Sabbath but I can tell you that you will keep it in the millennium even with a rod of iron.

Revelation 19:11-15 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

I'm waiting for you to explain your rejection of the Pauline epistles, after labelling them "traditions of men".
Then, maybe you can learn what the Sabbath was and what it was ordained to lead us toward.

 

[VictorC]

Of course not! But I respect God and bow to Him and reverence His holy law.

In a previous thread, you violated the Law and apologized for your transgression by insisting Jesus also violates the Law in the same way you do. In this thread, you show nothing but disdain for the Law God never conveyed to you in the first place.

Please, stop posting abject nonsense, and deal with the content confronting you.

 

[listed]

To those who are not saved they are at enmity with the Law. But to those who are saved they delight in the Law and serve the Law.

Romans 7:25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

If the Law is done away with then so are these two verses. You need to understand what God is doing with us and His Law.

That is not what the Scripture says.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

A Christian can not be at enmity with the law because it is abolished.

Nice good old college try though.

 

[listed]

The Sabbath is not a tradition of man nor are any of the other nine. Look, you don't have to keep the Sabbath but I can tell you that you will keep it in the millennium even with a rod of iron.

Revelation 19:11-15 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Because it is not commanded as part of the NC it is a tradition of man held over from the days of the law's jurisdiction.

 

[Elder 111]

You need to read Romans without your SDA glasses.

You need to read it with the Holy Spirit and not your preconceived ideas.

 

[Elder 111]

Because it is not commanded as part of the NC it is a tradition of man held over from the days of the law's jurisdiction.

When was the Sabbath a tradition of man? where in scripture do you see the Sabbath called a tradition? I await eagerly you revelation.

 

[listed]

You need to read it with the Holy Spirit and not your preconceived ideas.

But now we are delivered from the law is not my preconceived idea. Like I said tails you lose, heads I win. Sorry for your loss.

 

[listed]

When was the Sabbath a tradition of man? where in scripture do you see the Sabbath called a tradition? I await eagerly you revelation.

Fully explained in the post you quoted.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

When was the Sabbath a tradition of man? where in scripture do you see the Sabbath called a tradition? I await eagerly you revelation.
​

Fully explained in the post you quoted.

God is a man now?

 

[mmksparbud]

(Rom 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

(Rom 7:13) Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

[maco]

(Rom 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

(Rom 7:13) Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Amen! It's about time someone here is speaking with godly sense.