Should there be a day set aside for worship?

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Originally Posted by Elder 111

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the manthat doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
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Of course it is, otherwise you will have no grounds to reject a plain statement from God.

No I have not rejected anything God said.

What you are doing is like me speaking to my dog in your presence saying, "go to the house." You take is as I am speaking to you. Your logic is very less than desirable.

 

[listed]

You are out voted. Sunday have it! They Rejected God and His Sabbath.

Are you angry?

 

[listed]

Not according to the 10 commandments.... you should look at the first one..

If 1 loves why do they have to be commanded to love?

 

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Your argument falls flat... the first Sabbath breaker is recorded as picking up sticks and Moses didn't know what to do about it and asked God who COMMANDED that he be stoned to DEATH. The problem here is that you equate Love = obedience AND.... AND... obedience = Love and while those who love tend to obey MORE, those who OBEY do not necessarily Love more or at times even at all.

I would say that effectively installs fear as in scared.

 

[VictorC]

The bible does not state that Sabbath is for Israel alone, as a matter of fact it says the opposite.

Review your own signature line, quoting Isaiah 8:20.
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The lurker can review the Law's testimony for themselves (since you don't respond to posts), and see that you're bearing false witness.

Exodus 31
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”​

Only the stranger who entered into the borders of Israel, was circumcised, and took a hold of the Mosaic covenant with the children of Israel could also keep the Sabbath. That's the basic tenet of Judaism. This isn't a Judaic discussion forum, in case you haven't noticed that.

Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist. I have made the repeated effort to show you how the Gospel changes God's redeemed from being accounted as children of human lineage: as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name (John 1:12).
Adventism can't be reconciled with Scripture on either side of the cross. Your posts confirm this.

 

[VictorC]

If 1 loves why do they have to be commanded to love?

We went through that exercise already.

Why is the greatest commandment found in the Law nowhere to be found anywhere in the new covenant?

Granted, the question demands speculation as to the reason why, but that it doesn't exist is a fact. 1 John 4 argues that we should love one another as a means to show our love for God, concluding in v.19 "We love Him because He first loved us". There is no need for a commandment to love God when we already demonstrated our devotion to Him by accepting His redemption, and John knows this by arguing without reference to a commandment that doesn't exist.

 

[VictorC]

It's only fair if I repost this until you respond directly.

This is a good reason to commit your post to a text file, to make repeating it easier. I think it deserves a response. However...

I already pointed out that Elder111 doesn't read our posts, and doesn't respond to content. He is absolutely buried by posts refuting his nonsense, the volume of which present a daunting task he would have to write a book-sized series of posts to respond to.

 

[listed]

This is a good reason to commit your post to a text file, to make repeating it easier. I think it deserves a response. However...

I already pointed out that Elder111 doesn't read our posts, and doesn't respond to content. He is absolutely buried by posts refuting his nonsense, the volume of which present a daunting task he would have to write a book-sized series of posts to respond to.

I would be thrilled if he were to even start.

 

[Sophrosyne]

If 1 loves why do they have to be commanded to love?

If you compare Abraham who didn't have the Law with those who had it it is obvious that people needed to be reminded of things while Abraham's thoughts were on God Israel's thoughts were mainly carnal. It is like what I said awhile back that from the start God had intended man to love their neighbor and when they didn't do that God had to command them to AT LEAST not murder and steal and... and as a commandment to love them was ignored. Another reason the Law required death of some transgressions (stonings) is because people refused to love and even commands to "not hate" were ignored so the third strike and your out.

 

[Sophrosyne]

This is a good reason to commit your post to a text file, to make repeating it easier. I think it deserves a response. However...

I already pointed out that Elder111 doesn't read our posts, and doesn't respond to content. He is absolutely buried by posts refuting his nonsense, the volume of which present a daunting task he would have to write a book-sized series of posts to respond to.

The problem with book sized posts is the more complicated you make things the less truth there tends to be in them. It is like making a bicycle with 15 tires on it and telling your kid you can't ride it on the odd hours of the day or when it is raining on a thursday or when a robin lays an egg in a tree in your yard. It may be raining on a thursday and catch you riding in it and then you find a robins egg in your yard when you crash into the bush with your bike and then you are in a pickle.

 

[VictorC]

He is absolutely buried by posts refuting his nonsense, the volume of which present a daunting task he would have to write a book-sized series of posts to respond to.

The problem with book sized posts is the more complicated you make things the less truth there tends to be in them. It is like making a bicycle with 15 tires on it and telling your kid you can't ride it on the odd hours of the day or when it is raining on a thursday or when a robin lays an egg in a tree in your yard. It may be raining on a thursday and catch you riding in it and then you find a robins egg in your yard when you crash into the bush with your bike and then you are in a pickle.

I was drawing attention to the magnitude of posts (plural) that have been abandoned or deflected - I wasn't asking for huge post but rather individual posts to respond to the vast number of unanswered material that's been provided. Lots of them. Most of the thread has been abandoned by the OP author.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I was drawing attention to the magnitude of posts (plural) that have been abandoned or deflected - I wasn't asking for huge post but rather individual posts to respond to the vast number of unanswered material that's been provided. Lots of them. Most of the thread has been abandoned by the OP author.

Most threads relating to the Law end up with promoting it instead of debating it from the pro law camp.

 

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Most threads relating to the Law end up with promoting it instead of debating it from the pro law camp.

That is all they are from the OP if 1 o' them starts a thread. They will not post in a thread started by someone else. Those who do start a thread are effectively shut down by the rule violations. That is why you see so few threads with me as the OP.

 

[Sophrosyne]

That is all they are from the OP if 1 o' them starts a thread. They will not post in a thread started by someone else. Those who do start a thread are effectively shut down by the rule violations. That is why you see so few threads with me as the OP.

I for one am sort of glad that things are allowed to continue as it shows those who are curious about Sabbath Keeping the arguments and defense of it all and see the theological seriousness of both sides in it all.

 

[Elder 111]

You didn't answer either one of my questions. One of them asked if you read what we post to you. You aren't reading posts.

I answered that question previously and the answer was yes.

 

[Elder 111]

Not according to the 10 commandments.... you should look at the first one..

Is that your opinion of God!

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Is this the picture you want to project of God? Forcing people! For it was God that Commanded.
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So you are saying that people loved killing their friends and relatives by brutally stoning them to death for breaking the Law? That is a rather insane way of equating loving one another. I seriously doubt any adventist in the US would condone stonings in todays society even in a third world country they would frown upon it. The Law was an obligation to those of Israel the only way out of being forced to keep it was to renounce oneself as a citizen AND move out of the country away from perhaps ALL Israelis. You continually misrepresent the Old Covenant to make it seem more loving compared to the New Covenant. Scripture itself testified is was a yoke, a burden.

You have an unholy picture of God, it seems. For you state that man would not be loving if he did such yet God did. That would imply that God is unloving and mean.
Do you care to comment on this?

 

[Elder 111]

Enforcement denotes force to comply. That is exactly what you are doing here. You are trying to force others to keep your amended Sabbath to gain entrance to heaven also called salvation. This is contrary to the Scripture.

God's Sabbath!

 

[Sophrosyne]

Is that your opinion of God!

Before the 10 commandments you don't see God commanding people to love him at all.

 

[listed]

God's Sabbath!

If I were to post a children use about such statements I would get reported. So no fun to be had here.