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Comic Book Religion: Which is your favorite?

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Gxg (G²);66622329 said:
If by EU you mean the "Early Universe" of Star Wars

From what I've heard, the term EU means "Expanded Universe". It refers to all of the licensed Star Wars materials outside of the main Star Wars films, Clone Wars, and Rebels series.


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From what I've heard, the term EU means "Expanded Universe". It refers to all of the licensed Star Wars materials outside of the main Star Wars films, Clone Wars, and Rebels series.


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Ah, got ya. Thanks for that - I really do enjoy the expanded universe and seeing what it is that they have done, be it with showing how things were after the fall of the Galatic Empire and what happened to Luke and his relationships - or showing in the comics/novels what went down in-between the original trilogy and before (outside of the Prequels).
 
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To me, the Jedi are dead wrong, and directly responsible for the existence of the Sith or a "dark side":

Their repression creates and fosters their Jungian shadow, letting it grow and fester in the dark recesses of their minds until it finally breaks free, becoming truly monstrous. In short: every Jedi is just a sith waiting to happen, and their code is to blame.

The Sith, on the other hand, are just a manifestation of the Shadow, a twisted mirror image created by repression.
I remember as an adult reading about how the Jedi lived and saw the world.. they are tyrants. It is our way of doing things or no way. They wish for their people to be inhuman, emotionless creatures.

Who would want to be part of a group that meant you were unable to love?

It would seem to me that being able to love and being guardians of the galaxy would go hand in hand.
 
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I remember as an adult reading about how the Jedi lived and saw the world.. they are tyrants. It is our way of doing things or no way. They wish for their people to be inhuman, emotionless creatures.

Who would want to be part of a group that meant you were unable to love?

It would seem to me that being able to love and being guardians of the galaxy would go hand in hand.
I agree...
 
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Oh...mine is good ol' Captain Marvel. That way you get all your gods in one. (Kind of.) ;) ...and there's just something about lightning!

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Oh...mine is good ol' Captain Marvel. That way you get all your gods in one. (Kind of.) ;) ...and there's just something about lightning!

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Shazam is pretty amazing in many respects - and on a side note, thanks for the pic as that's a pretty amazing one.

I always liked the fact that he had multiple super-powers going for him and all of them were based on mythology....

But (and I hope this doesn't hurt :) ) I always tended to find Superman to be more amazing :) - especially when seeing the theistic background that Superman tends to represent. Fr. Niko said it best when saying that Superman is not just a science fiction character since his story is modern mythology...he is one of a long line of Messiah archetypes in fiction.

For a good review on the issue, one may wish to investigate the following:






For an excerpt:




He is a metaphor for Moses, the aspiration of two Jewish teenagers from Cleveland who created him, and the star of a multi-billion dollar movie franchise with six entries in the series, and a seventh, “Superman vs. Batman,” coming in 2016........


......Let’s throw in a little theology and go back to the origins of the Superman character, back to a neighborhood in Cleveland in the early 1930s. In a predominantly Jewish section of the city lived two teenagers, Jerome Siegel and Joseph Shuster, one an aspiring science fiction writer and the other a starving young artist. One night in 1930, Jerry’s father, Mitchell Siegel, was shot and killed in his secondhand clothing store by a burglar stealing cash out of the register. Out of the ashes of this tragedy, and compounded by the frustration of living in an immigrant ghetto during the Great Depression, emerges a new genre in American pop culture.


Brilliantly examined in Larry Tye’s masterpiece “Superman: The High-Flying History of America’s Most Enduring Hero,” Jerry longed for an imaginary world in which his dad could have stood up to this burglar. He could have saved his family from hardships if only he were super-strong and (you got it) … bulletproof. Many other responses to problems of the Depression were incorporated in creating the character of Superman, such as a fierce longing for justice, and, unlike men who couldn’t hold down or even find a job to support their family in the 1930s, the ultimate expression of masculinity. Jerry Siegel, of course, went on to create the character of Superman, after which Joe Shuster created the most famous costume in the world- big ‘S’ shield, red cape, and all- in the hopes of being sold to a science fiction magazine to pay rent for a few months. They were later allowed thirteen pages in Action Comics #1 by National Publications (later “DC Comics”) in June 1938. The rest, as you know, is history. But let’s not forget the first aspect of Jerry and Joe’s background I mentioned and the part which interests me the most- their Jewish faith. Superman’s story begins, as it always does, on the planet Krypton. His name on Krypton is Kal-El. His father’s name is Jor-El. His uncle’s name is Zor-El. Names that end in “El” are all over the place in Siegel’s writing. They are also all over the place in the Old Testament.
How about “Emmanuel,” “Daniel,” “Samuel,” ”Azazel,” “Gabriel,” “Michael,” “Raphael,” and even “Israel,” among others. In Hebrew, any name that ends with “El” means “____ of God.” “Gabriel” means “messenger of God,” “Michael” means “Who is like God?,” etc. Krypton was meant to be a heaven-like place. In Siegel’s mind, Earth’s greatest hero was always supposed to come from heaven, always “sent from above,” if you will.
This is why every faithful Superman adaptation always begins with a Krypton that is meant to, at least metaphorically, look like a heaven-like place. For Jerry Siegel, it was meant to be a harmonious civilization of technologically advanced, flying people.
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Superman will always have a Messiah type-background that I never saw as strongly with Shazzam. And as a believer in CHrist, that is something that always stands out for me. Of course, I'm down with others who've often said that Christ Himself was the Original "Superman"---and in ultimately, Christ will ALWAYS be more POWERFUL than Superman will ever be...the only one whom the entire universe looks to for a Savior/Redeemption.




Interestingly enough, within the comics, there've been ALOT of references in regards to Superman sharing thoughts in regards to Christ:

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Concerning the above pictures, as said best here by those examining the religion Clarke Kent follows:

Although he comes from a Protestant background, Superman is apparently flexible in his Christianity. In the story arc "Superman: For Tomorrow," which appeared Superman issues 209 through 215, Superman spends considerable time visiting a Catholic priest for confessional and later returning to further counsel with the clergyman. The image on the left above, depicting Superman standing before a statue of Jesus Christ on the cross in a Catholic church, is from Superman issue #209, published by DC Comics: New York (2004), page 13. The issue was written by Brian Azzarello, with pencils by Jim Lee and inks by Scott Williams. The image on the right, depicting Superman with the priest he has come to confide in, is from page 28 of the same issue. From: Action Comics #591, DC Comics: New York City (August 1987), written and illustrated by John Byrne, page 20; reprinted in Superman: The Man of Steel, Vol. 4 trade paperback, DC Comics: New York City (2005), page 133.
And of course, the writers were very direct at other times in showing Christ and SUperman connected..


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That said, If interested, there's an excellent work on the issue that really stood out to me called "Up Up and Oy Vey! How Jewish History Culture and Values Shaped The Comicbook Superhero" ...and there have been alot of people who've greatly enjoyed it. The organization of AISH.com did a good review on it here..and other believers also shared some wonderful thoughts on the subject, as seen if going to the following:


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As said there (for a brief excerpt):
Up, Up, and Oy Vey by Simcha Weinstein is both theological and fun, and how often does that happen?

You might not think a book about the Jewish cultural connection to the comic book world could be theological, but think again. Didn’t you notice theological themes in Superman and Batman, for instance? Weinstein could possibly open your eyes to a depth you never expected to find in comic books.

The subtitle is How Jewish History, Culture, and Values Shaped the Comic Book Superhero. The opening paragraph is an ironic reflection on the Clark Kent existence of many Jews:
For most of my life, I lived a Clark Kent existence: that of a Jew living in Machester, England, intent on blending into the modern, secular world. I kept my Hebrew name a closely guarded secret. My desire to assimilate required no less.
Weinstein describes the Jewish immigrant experience in America in the 1930′s. Jewish memory of the patriarchs and matriarchs of the Bible, which Weinstein calls the first superheroes, led to imaginative escapes from the difficulties of the time. Weinstein’s analysis revealed a texture to comic book history I had been unaware of:
As Eastern European Jewish Immigrants poured into New York’s Lower East Side in the 1900′s, they too viewed the stories of the Bible through the prism of their hard lives in a sometimes baffling new land and passed them on to their children. And those children in turn retold those Jewish tales using dots of colored ink on pulp paper, beginning in the 1930′s. (Actually, Superman was first drawn on cheap brown wrapping paper, but more on that later.) In those days the shadow of persecution was descending upon European Jews once more, and no one seemed willing to come to their rescue. The world needed heroes.
..
Weinstein explains the personalities behind the comic book industry, including a host of Jewish names such as:
–Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, creators of Superman.
–Bob Kane (born Kahn) and Bill Finger, creators of Batman.
–Jerry Robinson, creator of the Joker.
–Stan Lee (born Stanley Martin Lieber), creator of Spiderman, the Incredible Hulk, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men.
I particularly enjoyed a chart correlating comic books to Jewish values:
–Superman–integrity.
–Batman and the Spirit–justice.
–Captain America–patriotism.
–Justice League–teamwork.
–Fantastic Four–family values.
–Hulk–anger.
–Spider-man–responsibility and redemption.
–X-men–anti-Semitism and reconciliation.
Brilliant material, IMHO--and definately makes see the virtue of comics in a different light when seeing the Jewish aspects to them
 
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Shazam is pretty amazing in many respects - and on a side note, thanks for the pic as that's a pretty amazing one.

I always liked the fact that he had multiple super-powers going for him and all of them were based on mythology....

But (and I hope this doesn't hurt) I always tended to find Superman to be more amazing - especially when seeing the theistic background that Superman tends to represent.
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[FONT=&quot]Yes, in some respects, Superman is more ‘amazing’ than Captain Marvel. But I still like this scene from the Alex Ross ‘Justice’ series…(lol)[/FONT]
Also, be careful with all of this superhero stuff, brother... :cool: Blessings!!

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[FONT=&quot]Yes, in some respects, Superman is more ‘amazing’ than Captain Marvel. But I still like this scene from the Alex Ross ‘Justice’ series…(lol)[/FONT]
Also, be careful with all of this superhero stuff, brother... :cool: Blessings!!

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Captain Shazam is still amazing - and the scene you placed up is a good one to consider.

That said, there's nothing to be careful of with superhero stuff when one knows what the genre is about - unless one forgets where they stand. Blessings, Bruh:);)
 
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Oh...mine is good ol' Captain Marvel. That way you get all your gods in one. (Kind of.) ;) ...

As noted earlier, I prefer the short-lived DC Comics version of Captain Action, but would have preferred several "tweaks."

I like the Big Red Cheese ok, but the "Billy Batson" aspect -- which is hardly trivial -- annoys me. And my big pedantic streak flares at the poorly planned, inconsistent nature of CM's powers -- some from Olympian gods, some from Olympian demi-gods, some from pre-Olympian titans (who were *enemies* of the gods), and some from... SOLOMON??? HUH???
 
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As noted earlier, I prefer the short-lived DC Comics version of Captain Action, but would have preferred several "tweaks."

I like the Big Red Cheese ok, but the "Billy Batson" aspect -- which is hardly trivial -- annoys me. And my big pedantic streak flares at the poorly planned, inconsistent nature of CM's powers -- some from Olympian gods, some from Olympian demi-gods, some from pre-Olympian titans (who were *enemies* of the gods), and some from... SOLOMON??? HUH???
I never really understood the dynamic of making reference to someone like Solomon (from a monotheistic background as it concerns Israel) and saying his abilities were somehow tapped into in the same way one would connect with the Polytheistic Greek Gods/Goddesses.

And I agree, Billy Baston is a bit annoying. That said, they are actually making a new Captain Action series. Specifically, Moonstone is recently publishing new issues of the Captain Action comic book.

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Gxg (G²);66679643 said:
... they are actually making a new Captain Action series. Specifically, Moonstone is recently publishing new issues of the Captain Action comic book.
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Yeah, I belong to the Group on Facebook. I think there have been at least two "reimaginings" of the Captain Action comic book character. None have been anything like the comic book character from the '60s (which had nothing in common with the action figure that preceded it except name and costume). The Captain Action from DC Comics was another "powers from the gods" character.

I liked that character, but no one else did, and the title only lasted five issues. I have no interest in any of the new versions.
 
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Yeah, I belong to the Group on Facebook. I think there have been at least two "reimaginings" of the Captain Action comic book character. None have been anything like the comic book character from the '60s (which had nothing in common with the action figure that preceded it except name and costume). The Captain Action from DC Comics was another "powers from the gods" character.

I liked that character, but no one else did, and the title only lasted five issues. I have no interest in any of the new versions.
Seeing the character be limited as he is, I don't expect that he really would be able to get any more real development.
 
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I've always been fond of monsters...

Would the cenobites of the hellraiser short story/movies(except the last few, yuck)/comics be considered religious? They worship their god, Leviathan who is obsessed with bringing order to the world.

The publisher Boom! has for the past few years had a few Hellraiser books where they expand upon the Hellraiser mythos. They say that the Labyrinth is just one of the layers of Hell and there is a war between layers with the demon god of rage invading.

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As much as I enjoy the comics I just can't wait for Barker to finish it all with "The Scarlet Gospels".
 
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Wonder Woman remains one of my favourite goddesses, although the recent reboot has robbed the character of her unique origin and turned her into just another demigod fathered by Zeus.

Is that part of the "New 52" stuff? I haven't read any of that, but I've read a little *about* it. Most of it doesn't impress me.

I do find the idea of a Superman/Wonder Woman romance at least intriguing. It's the sort of "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." idea that gets met with, "No, that's way too obvious."
 
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Is that part of the "New 52" stuff? I haven't read any of that, but I've read a little *about* it. Most of it doesn't impress me.

I do find the idea of a Superman/Wonder Woman romance at least intriguing. It's the sort of "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." idea that gets met with, "No, that's way too obvious."
Wonder Woman and Superman as a couple is something that has technically already happened - if keeping up with what's known as the INJUSTICE Gods Among Us series.

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Specifically, There's actually a new comic series that was highly intriguing - based on a game that came out called "Injustice Gods Among Us" - and I so loved the concept of showing what happened when Superman went past the line Batman set up for himself due to his wife/child being killed...and Batman's reaction to the loss of his parents was contrasted with Superman's reaction. To see the entire story line, one can go here:




 
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It's always interesting to see how the social philosophy of whichever creative team handles the characters happens to shine through...It's like, it doesn't really sound like something the traditional Superman would say to the world. It sounds rather like new (and somewhat naive) Millennial thinking...
 
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