Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.

[Elder 111]

Then the prophets and at least 2 of the Gospels lie. and

The lies are with who say He did. No Gospel nor prophet did.

 

[listed]

The lies are with who say He did. No Gospel nor prophet did.

I think disbelieving is the same as saying they are lying.

 

[listed]

Just wanted to show how ridicuilous is the idea that fulfill means abolished.
Jesus did not abolish the same law that He wrote with His own hand, nor the truths He gave to His prophets.

Do you understand either word?

I do not understand what interjecting the false teaching Jesus wrote the 10 Cs with His own hand has to do with the thread.

 

[listed]

Why should I? Do you see all the other denominations listed? Are we not all Christians or are you saying that SDA's are not?

But you clearly promote the teaching of the SDA church. All those other denominations you are talking about are called Christian here. The pagan icons are not Christian denominations. The real reason I do not use a denomination icon is I truly do not represent one. I also do not attend any of them listed. My doctrine and beliefs do not come from them or any of the mainstream schools of religious thought.

 

[VictorC]

Just wanted to show how ridicuilous is the idea that fulfill means abolished.

Reconcile this with your opening statement:

I have just discovered that Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament, not just the law.

Somewhere you chose obfuscation and lies over what Jesus actually stated. Who is promoting the ridiculous ideas on this thread?

Jesus did not abolish the same law that He wrote with His own hand, nor the truths He gave to His prophets.

Notice what the prophet Isaiah wrote under inspiration:

Isaiah 28
14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,
Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,
15 Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death,
And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.”
16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.
17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,
And righteousness the plummet;
The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
And the waters will overflow the hiding place.
18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,
And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
Then you will be trampled down by it.​

And compare this with what the New Testament authors wrote under the same inspiration:

Hebrews 7
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.​

I trust what Jesus said (This was explained in an earlier post you have no answer for). I also accept what the prophets and the New Testament authors wrote. I have no reason to trust someone who contradicts himself so easily, the reason I can't trust Elder111.

 

[VictorC]

The lies are with who say He did. No Gospel nor prophet did.

The prophets provided a reliable testimony you've contradicted.
Not to mention you've contradicted yourself:

I have just discovered that Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament, not just the law.

 

[VictorC]

Why should I? Do you see all the other denominations listed? Are we not all Christians or are you saying that SDA's are not?

You know that you're contradicting the language of SDA Fundamental Belief #13 when you erroneously claim the seventh-day Adventist church is a Christian denomination. Why the need to misrepresent Adventism?

The administration of CF grants you latitude that others will not, because of claims made of adherence to the Nicene Creed, which Adventism doesn't comply with. While Christianity affirms salvation by Jesus Christ, Adventism adds to this compliance with the Mosaic covenant - and you have admitted this same soteriology in your previous posts (this one posted November 22, 2013):

Salvation is by Jesus and His Ten commandments, if you have a problem with that take up with Jesus Himself.

We are persuaded to honor the SDA's church's claim that it isn't a denomination, as codified within their own Fundamental Beliefs.
We have no reason to accept it as Christian, though.

For over a century Adventism has borne a stigma of being called a non-Christian cult system.

Dr. Martin concluded a variance to the historical stigma Adventism earned for itself, when he allowed himself to acknowledge the General Council's 1957 publication 'Questions on Doctrine' to reflect the SDA church's claim to be changing to embrace the basic tenets of Christianity. However, this publication fell out of print and was considered a heresy within Adventism, showing that the General Council resorted to deceit to gain Martin's favor. This was noted by David Cloud in 1999:

The truth is that Seventh-Day Adventism today does not differ in any significant doctrinal way from the Seventh-Day Adventism of Ellen White's day, except that it presents its doctrines in a more subtle manner today. If the Seventh-day Adventist leaders were to change their major distinctive doctrines as outlined by Ellen White, they would be denying their prophetess and pulling the pillars from under themselves. The Adventist Church admits this in the following statement from one of their recent publications:

• "Great lines of truth were gradually unfolding before them [Ellen White and early Adventist leaders]. Now the time had come for the convergence of these truths into one body of doctrine. This was brought about in 1848, through a series of Sabbath conferences. Five in all were held. At the earlier of these, the doctrines were clarified and bound together as a unity of truth; the later conferences served largely as teaching and unifying agencies.
• "A careful study of documents of the time reveals what was denominated 'present truth' in this formative period ... made up of vital 'essentials,' 'pillars,' 'foundations.' These may be listed as: 1. The second advent of Christ. 2. The binding claims of the seventh-day Sabbath. 3. The third angel's message in its fullness, in correct relationship to the first and second angel's messages. 4. The ministry of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, which ministry would cease not long before the second advent (with emphasis on the work beginning the tenth day of the seventh month, 1844). 5. The non-immortality of the soul.
• "These structural doctrines formed the 'firm platform' which, in 1858, was described by Ellen White, upon which 'nearly all stood firm' ... These constituted the 'landmarks' enumerated by Ellen White thirty years later..." (Messenger to the Remnant, pp. 39,40).

Since Mrs. White and the Adventist Church teach that their major doctrinal platform was finalized in their early days (and since the Adventist Church tells us that Mrs. White was an inspired prophetess), there is no need for re-evaluation of this group as Walter Martin required. A study of recent Seventh-Day Adventist publications confirms this judgment, since they continue to teach the same heresies promulgated by Ellen White and other early Adventist leaders.

As a group, the Seventh-Day Adventists today are the same divisive heretics they have been from their origin. To deserve a re-evaluation and re-labeling, they would have to denounce and turn away from every one of their heresies, including the foundational heresy that Ellen White was a prophetess of God.​

As mentioned before, the administration of CF grants latitude to members whenever a question of orthodoxy arises, preferring to err on the side of acceptance for everyone they can. Within limits, or course. But the point is that as an Adventist you should not misrepresent your church before others who may not know the nature of the seventh-day Adventist church. Your comments quoted at the beginning of this post come across as a deflection to avoid dealing with content.

 

[SAAN]

Then the prophets and at least 2 of the Gospels lie.

Can you please list them. Considering the book of Hebrews states that animals blood is no longer needed for our sins because the blood of Jesus covers our sins.

We still teach it is wrong to worship other Gods, Idolatry, lie, steal, disrespect our parents, sexual immorality, adultery, and coveting which are all from the OT. The NT says all who practice these lifestyles will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. So it is pretty clear the NT is based off the OT, minus all the ceremonial and sacrificial stuff which Jesus fulfilled.

If Jesus abolished the OT, he pretty much did the one thing she said he didnt come to do to his fathers commands and remember he said he was sent by the father and is not greater than the father.

 

[listed]

Can you please list them. Considering the book of Hebrews states that animals blood is no longer needed for our sins because the blood of Jesus covers our sins.

We still teach it is wrong to worship other Gods, Idolatry, lie, steal, disrespect our parents, sexual immorality, adultery, and coveting which are all from the OT. The NT says all who practice these lifestyles will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. So it is pretty clear the NT is based off the OT, minus all the ceremonial and sacrificial stuff which Jesus fulfilled.

If Jesus abolished the OT, he pretty much did the one thing she said he didnt come to do to his fathers commands and remember he said he was sent by the father and is not greater than the father.

Please tell me why I should restate what has been said in many of the Sabbath and law type threads during your tenure here. You have participated in many of them. It would only serve for you to trample them again.

 

[SAAN]

Please tell me why I should restate what has been said in many of the Sabbath and law type threads during your tenure here. You have participated in many of them. It would only serve for you to trample them again.

Maybe because Jesus never abolished all of his fathers commands like its being stated on here.

 

[listed]

Maybe because Jesus never abolished all of his fathers commands like its being stated on here.

My response is still the same.

 

[Cribstyl]

Maybe because Jesus never abolished all of his fathers commands like its being stated on here.

Are you fighting against the scripture that says;


Eph 2:15

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

 

[Cribstyl]

Heb 8:13

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

They have to deny what the old covenant is, so that some would be confused what must vanish away.

 

[listed]

Are you fighting against the scripture that says;


Eph 2:15

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

I would say he does not acknowledge it like many others of his persuasion.

 

[listed]

Heb 8:13

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

They have to deny what the old covenant is, so that some would be confused what must vanish away.

Agreed. Took me a minute to understand what you are saying though.

 

[listed]

OK where did every body go? It is a federal holiday and raining.

 

[bugkiller]

OK where did every body go? It is a federal holiday and raining.

It ebbs and wanes around here. Just thought I peak in to see what was going on these days.

bugkiller

 

[bbbbbbb]

OK where did every body go? It is a federal holiday and raining.

I was wondering the same thing. It was raining here all day, as well. Shall we say that today was a Federal Sabbath?

 

[Elder 111]

Do you understand either word?

I do not understand what interjecting the false teaching Jesus wrote the 10 Cs with His own hand has to do with the thread.

What if you explain them?
Who wrote the 10C's if not Jesus?

 

[Elder 111]

But you clearly promote the teaching of the SDA church. All those other denominations you are talking about are called Christian here. The pagan icons are not Christian denominations. The real reason I do not use a denomination icon is I truly do not represent one. I also do not attend any of them listed. My doctrine and beliefs do not come from them or any of the mainstream schools of religious thought.

Are SDAs not Christians?