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Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.
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Angelquill
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Now, I don't want to offend anyone here....
But I think maybe a few folks are taking it on themselves to rewrite the Bible.
And...well, I think a few folks may have forgotten to mention that God wrote the thing to begin with...it is His work.
After all...we don't want to be accused of literary theft...now do we?
It's His work...and unless you have His written permission...written, signed and notarized...changing it is illegal, and immoral, and...well, dishonest.
But I think maybe a few folks are taking it on themselves to rewrite the Bible.
And...well, I think a few folks may have forgotten to mention that God wrote the thing to begin with...it is His work.
After all...we don't want to be accused of literary theft...now do we?
It's His work...and unless you have His written permission...written, signed and notarized...changing it is illegal, and immoral, and...well, dishonest.
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SAAN
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If Jesus abolished the entire old testament, he is not the Messiah and we are all worshiping a fraud.
Considering the OT is what he followed, taught from, and taught others to follow the commands in it, its pretty clear he didn't abolish it.
The only thing Jesus changed was the sacrificial law of burnt offerings and animal sacrifices.
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Angelquill
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Angelquill
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One of the things CF frowns upon is making personal remarks about other users.
Especially off the wall remarks that make absolutely no sense anyway.
Anyhow, it usually helps if we could just stick to the topic.
yeah...let's try that...
Especially off the wall remarks that make absolutely no sense anyway.
Anyhow, it usually helps if we could just stick to the topic.
yeah...let's try that...
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Of course not! That has been the idea promoted by who concluded that fulfill means abolished. If fulfill in Mat. 5 means abolished then so does Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.So Jesus abolished all the prophets said.
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Well, I think at least a couple of us believe in following the Sabbath, and that it is the seventh day, and that that law is still in effect. I think that is one point of this Socratic thread.
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Truncating Matthew 5:17-18 into a meaningless sound-bite leaves you ignoring the fulfillment the Greek pleroo, indicating Jesus' intent to bring the Mosaic covenant to consummation in His expiatory sacrifice and atonement. Besides this, you're describing your own position, as you're now unable to reconcile your latest complaint with your opening statement:
For you, Christ's fulfillment of the spring feasts culminating in bringing salvation to the Gentiles on Shavuot (Pentecost) never happened. For you, there isn't going to be a second advent, for Acts 1:11 derives God's promise to return from Zechariah 14:4. For you, the fulness of time has never and will never come, and as a Gentile you remain and will ever remain forever estranged from God:
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11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the fleshwho are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
There is no such thing as "now" in a view that rejects Christ's propitiation.11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the fleshwho are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Calvary didn't do anything within a view that dismisses Christ's promise to fulfill everything in the Law and the Prophets. Don't bother bringing up heaven and earth passing away, as that won't ever happen because nothing will be fulfilled. Yours is the most miserable view that comes from forcing your Adventist doctrine into Scripture.
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Then you should use the SDA faith icon unless of course you are saying they are not Christian.
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Just wanted to show how ridicuilous is the idea that fulfill means abolished.Really? I didn't have a clue.
Jesus did not abolish the same law that He wrote with His own hand, nor the truths He gave to His prophets.
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Why should I? Do you see all the other denominations listed? Are we not all Christians or are you saying that SDA's are not?
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