Why Evolution is True (2)

[dad]

I do not claim god is or isn't perfect, my personal opinion is that no deity was involved in the writing of the bible,

Those who have studied it to some degree know that God HAS to be behind it, there is no other possibility.

so I attribute all mistakes and inaccuracies in that text to human ignorance and error.

I agree. YOUR human ignorance and error understanding it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So His word has errors that are not mistakes?

Keep up the humorous interpretation efforts.

No, not his word. The Bible.

How many time are you going to make that mistake?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Those who have studied it to some degree know that God HAS to be behind it, there is no other possibility.

Actually the people that have studied it heavily and understand it the best have a strange tendency to become atheists.

I agree. YOUR human ignorance and error understanding it.

And yours is even greater.

 

[dad]

No, not his word. The Bible.

That is His word, and Jesus confirmed Scripture was just that. You cannot change that. You don't get a vote on it. Your vote lays in believing it or not.

 

[dad]

Actually the people that have studied it heavily and understand it the best have a strange tendency to become atheists.

What people exactly are you talking about? More invented friends?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is His word, and Jesus confirmed Scripture was just that. You cannot change that. You don't get a vote on it. Your vote lays in believing it or not.

No, that is simply a book written by men. And you are trying to use circular logic. You need to do a lot better than that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What people exactly are you talking about? More invented friends?

dad, you know better than that.

 

[dad]

No, that is simply a book written by men. And you are trying to use circular logic. You need to do a lot better than that.

God above man below, that is anything but circular. Even evilution is linear, source below, and mouthpieces above.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

That is His word, and Jesus confirmed Scripture was just that. You cannot change that. You don't get a vote on it. Your vote lays in believing it or not.

When God spoke the Word, infinite universes were born. Through the Word were all thing made that exist. Some how I doubt that was a 1x5x7 stack of rice paper with ink marks on them...in English.

You are making the classic error of mistaking the map (all books), for the territory (the Kingdom of Heaven that is within you and all around you.)

 

[dad]

When God spoke the Word, infinite universes were born.

Well gee, I guess you oughta know! Have you been off the planet, by the way?

Through the Word were all thing made that exist. Some how I doubt that was a 1x5x7 stack of rice paper with ink marks on them...in English.

Your doubts seem well founded in this case.

You are making the classic error of mistaking the map (all books),

So all books on earth? They what, make a map? You seem to have a gift of sight few men have, o guru.

for the territory (the Kingdom of Heaven that is within you and all around you.)

So all books on earth point to the kingdom of Heaven? Is that the same kingdom Jesus talked about? Was He the only begotten son of God?

Do tell us o venerable one, some lurkers may not be able to discern spirits, and need to hear your words.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Well gee, I guess you oughta know! Have you been off the planet, by the way?


Yes I have been off planet many times. Anyone with basic control over their astral body can do this. I have been to other life bearing planets.

Your doubts seem well founded in this case. So all books on earth? They what, make a map? You seem to have a gift of sight few men have, o guru.

No all books are as maps explaining different territories, a book on anatomy is a map for a living human body. The territory is a living human body. Do not mistake the map for the territory.

So all books on earth point to the kingdom of Heaven? Is that the same kingdom Jesus talked about? Was He the only begotten son of God?

No, I didn't say that. I am saying the bible is a map that is supposed to guide you through the territory that is the Kingdom of Heaven which include your inner chambers and outer realms. The entire universe. The forces of the universe do not stop at your skin...nor your mind.

Do tell us o venerable one, some lurkers may not be able to discern spirits, and need to hear your words.

My words? Do good and don't be a jackwagon. That is all.

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[dad]

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You seem to have basic control of the asterisk, but not astral travel through universe.

Yes I have been off planet many times. Anyone with basic control over their astral body can do this. I have been to other life bearing planets.

Ha. What drugs might they consume? Did you get a post card by the way?

No all books are as maps explaining different territories, a book on anatomy is a map for a living human body. The territory is a living human body. Do not mistake the map for the territory.

How about a dr Seus book, what is that the map to?

No, I didn't say that. I am saying the bible is a map that is supposed to guide you through the territory that is the Kingdom of Heaven which include your inner chambers and outer realms. The entire universe. The forces of the universe do not stop at your skin...nor your mind.

So you do not confess that Jesus came in the flesh and is the only begotten son of God, and that He rose from the dead. OK. That is what the bible is all about, so anyone following that map would end up there.

I would not want some spirit guide supposedly showing me inside myself, or around the universe either, that was not of God, thanks.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

You seem to have basic control of the asterisk, but not astral travel through universe.


Ha. What drugs might they consume? Did you get a post card by the way?
How about a dr Seus book, what is that the map to?




So you do not confess that Jesus came in the flesh and is the only begotten son of God, and that He rose from the dead. OK. That is what the bible is all about, so anyone following that map would end up there.

I would not want some spirit guide supposedly showing me inside myself, or around the universe either, that was not of God, thanks.

lmao! So you know more about me than I do?


They didn't consume drugs, it was an ascendant, poly-species civilization. They had a city that glowed golden under it's own power. Think earth is the only place God would form a heavenly city of peace?

Mainly Dr. Sues books are maps of how to navigate society being able to accept and tolerate all the weirdness one will encounter. Also teaches poetic cadence, basic colors, numbers, etc....basic realities we deal with each day. He helps children thrive in a potentially cruel world. He maps perfected spiritual qualities. 5d stuff.

Actually Jesus is the direct author of my living faith, in flesh, in person. I met him 17 years ago and could only withstand Holy Spirit awareness/fire for a few moments, the internal judgment I underwent could not be escaped. He stayed until I could take it no longer, then he left. That was all I needed and could withstand at the time. I am greatly looking forwards to the finishing of my faith and the burning off of all the dross. Then I will be of immaculate service to God.

God and His angels have yanked me out of my flesh a number of times to show me what I needed to know, to the job I have to do. Not for illusory vain glory, for vocational training. I am expected to preform....correctly.


The fact that our operative paradigms are orders of magnitude apart is obvious, but not a barrier for my heart to simply love you. =)

 

[dad]

lmao! So you know more about me than I do?

I know you and Buzz Lightyear claim to have gone to infinity and beyond. In your case...waaaay beyond!

They didn't consume drugs, it was an ascendant, poly-species civilization.

How nice. So were there male and female, or was there too much 'oneness' for that?

They had a city that glowed golden under it's own power. Think earth is the only place God would form a heavenly city of peace?

Coincidence that New Jerusalem glows too? You wouldn't be borrowing a page from that book now would ya? Of course some folks find that a country town glows if they get enough of Granny's moonshine.

Mainly Dr. Sues books are maps of how to navigate society being able to accept and tolerate all the weirdness one will encounter.

I see. So they have a purpose in your classification of books system. OK.

Also teaches poetic cadence, basic colors, numbers, etc....basic realities we deal with each day. He helps children thrive in a potentially cruel world. He maps perfected spiritual qualities. 5d stuff.

Sounds like you have given Dr Seus books a lot of thought.

Actually Jesus is the direct author of my living faith, in flesh, in person.

Guess you are special. Did He make a special coming for that too..or did you fly off to some other Universe and do lunch?

I met him 17 years ago and could only withstand Holy Spirit awareness/fire for a few moments, the internal judgment I underwent could not be escaped.

Apparently some spirit got to you.

He stayed until I could take it no longer, then he left. That was all I needed and could withstand at the time. I am greatly looking forwards to the finishing of my faith and the burning off of all the dross. Then I will be of immaculate service to God.

Not just service, but immaculate service. OK. How lovely.

God and His angels have yanked me out of my flesh a number of times to show me what I needed to know, to the job I have to do.

Was this 'god' Jesus, who came and died and rose again on the third day?

Not for illusory vain glory, for vocational training. I am expected to preform....correctly.

Your performance is noted.

The fact that our operative paradigms are orders of magnitude apart is obvious, but not a barrier for my heart to simply love you. =)

Tell you what, save the lovey dovey thing for someone else and just answer the question as to whether you believe Jesus is God and rose again from the dead, and is the only way, only truth and only light?

Reach out into the universe and see if you can grab a yes or no.


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[createdtoworship]

Obviously if he said that it was a lie.




That doesn't say a lot. One could take that to mean, like the Calvinists, that one never 'really' was saved if one falls. I believe in actual eternal salvation. If people bother to get saved, they must have wanted it.

well I am a cal-minian. I hold to both views. Apostacy is a real threat in christianity for those who profess with their mouths but don't really want the life Christ gives. Were they never saved? Well Hebrews 6:4 says they were enlightened, they tasted the heavenly gift. So yeah they can still be saved, and yet fall away. But like I said i do believe in eternal security for those who will it. But I don't adhere to OSAS (once saved always saved).

 

[createdtoworship]

Neanderthals not being considered a human ancestor is rather recent, you will note that your sources are decades out of date.

I have proof they are ancesters to man

they have a nose ridge, and they lack a shovel face (all ape like creatures have a shovel face, all human like creatures have a nose ridge)

Neanderthal skull | Natural History Museum

above shows the nose ridge,


this is a shovel face typical of an ape like creature: (non human)
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/collections-at-the-museum/museum-treasures/neanderthal-skull/

secondly the articles are dated to the date of the find (archaelogically speaking), so there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[createdtoworship]

But you have a history of extremely weak claims. I even pointed out how your claim was weak and wrong when you first posted it and all you gave was more of the same. It does not work in reverse. And the important fact is that this is merely an attempt at a derail of the thread.


When creationists are losing they very often start a derail. AV is a master of the derail, but then he is a master of losing.

proving darwin is an evolutionist is on topic in an evolution forum. Is it not?

I believe proving that an untrue individual may have had sources in an untrue philosophy (of evolution).

So it is very much on topic of "is evolution true"

I showed several historians that agree:

Ian Kershaw, the foremost biographer of Hitler, and Richard Evans, a prominent scholar on the Nazi period, both admit that social Darwinism influenced Hitler’s ideology.

this an more is documented here:

http://www.csustan.edu/sites/defaul.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf


and to this link again you replied no solid rebuttal at all.

Not to mention I have proven you wrong regarding Hitlers religion, and proven you wrong regarding origin of species as not in fact being on the banned list (as you have stated). What was on the banned list was primitive and not modern darwin books, as mentioned in the post above.

So your record is not necessarily the most accurate.

thanks for the comment.

 

[dad]

well I am a cal-minian. I hold to both views. Apostacy is a real threat in christianity for those who profess with their mouths but don't really want the life Christ gives. Were they never saved?

I got over expecting sinless saints a long time ago. If people were serious and came to Jesus, they are saved forever. If they sin too bad here He will simply end their life here, not play take back with His gift of salvation.

Well Hebrews 6:4 says they were enlightened, they tasted the heavenly gift.

That doesn't say they went to hell. It also is to be taken in context with the rest of the bible. Even though we fall, we will not be utterly cast down. Peter even denied Him. When we see a verse that says if we deny Him, He will deny us before the Father we need context. That doesn't mean making a mistake like Peter, but something deeper.

So yeah they can still be saved, and yet fall away.

Falling away has NOTHING to do with salvation! We can't pluck ourselves from the Father's hand. David fell. Many have fallen. Part of life basically, we get on back up again. Hed will never leave us or forsake us, even if we are faitLESS He abides faithful, He can't deny Himself.

But like I said i do believe in eternal security for those who will it.

If we asked for it that means we willed it! It isn't like we are saved by our will power!

But I don't adhere to OSAS (once saved always saved).

Well, if one is saved, it is forever. But if we really sin badly we will have fire to go through...yet we will still be saved.


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[createdtoworship]

I got over expecting sinless saints a long time ago. If people were serious and came to Jesus, they are saved forever. If they sin too bad here He will simply end their life here, not play take back with His gift of salvation.
That doesn't say they went to hell. It also is to be taken in context with the rest of the bible. Even though we fall, we will not be utterly cast down. Peter even denied Him. When we see a verse that says if we deny Him, He will deny us before the Father we need context. That doesn't mean making a mistake like Peter, but something deeper.
Falling away has NOTHING to do with salvation! We can't pluck ourselves from the Father's hand. David fell. Many have fallen. Part of life basically, we get on back up again. Hed will never leave us or forsake us, even if we are faitLESS He abides faithful, He can't deny Himself.

If we asked for it that means we willed it! It isn't like we are saved by our will power!
Well, if one is saved, it is forever. But if we really sin badly we will have fire to go through...yet we will still be saved.


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I belive in all the scriptures even the lordship salvation ones
. I believe god will not force salvation on anyone. if someone accepts christ but later wants nothing to do with him, I believe god will say " not my will, but thine be done." and in doing so gives them over to a reprobate mind as the bible states. I dont expect you to change your theology here. but I also dont expect to change my convictions of hebrews 6 which states "whose end it to be burned" as the result. the important thing is we agree hitler was not a christian but an evolutionist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

proving darwin is an evolutionist is on topic in an evolution forum. Is it not?

There is no need to prove the obvious.

I believe proving that an untrue individual may have had sources in an untrue philosophy (of evolution).

What is an "untrue individual"? And evolution is not a philosophy so it cannot be true. Evolution is how life changes to adapt to different environments and pressures form other life itself. The theory of evolution explains how evolution happens. Neither is a philosphy.

So it is very much on topic of "is evolution true"

I showed several historians that agree:

Ian Kershaw, the foremost biographer of Hitler, and Richard Evans, a prominent scholar on the Nazi period, both admit that social Darwinism influenced Hitler’s ideology.

And there is your problem. Social Darwinism is a misapplication of the theory of evolution. It is neither evolution nor is it the theory of evolution. Now you might call it a philosophy, but it is dubious that Darwin would have supported it.

this an more is documented here:

http://www.csustan.edu/sites/defaul.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf


and to this link again you replied no solid rebuttal at all.

Not to mention I have proven you wrong regarding Hitlers religion, and proven you wrong regarding origin of species as not in fact being on the banned list (as you have stated). What was on the banned list was primitive and not modern darwin books, as mentioned in the post above.

So your record is not necessarily the most accurate.

thanks for the comment.

Since you know why that material is faulty to this discussion there is no point in even looking at it.


And no, you only proved that Hitler was not your type of Christian. You did not even come close to proving that he was not a Christian.