Why Evolution is True (2)

[dad]

Still nothing about atheists there dad.

Try again.

Look again. The last verese for example. There is a world, a whole world, and there is believers. The whole world is in WICKEDNESS. You seem to illustrate that unbelievers cannot comprehend.

 

[createdtoworship]

Neanderthals are no longer considered to be human ancestors.

"Normal human brain size is 1450cc-1500cc. Neanderthal's is 1600cc. If his brow is low, his brain is larger than modern man's." Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 87.

"The cranial capacity of the Neanderthal race of Homosapiens was, on average, equal to or greater than that in modern man." *Theodosius Dobzhansky, "Cahnging Man", in Science, Janurary 27. 1967, p. 410.

"The [Neanderthal] brain case on the average was more than 13 percent larger than that of the average of modern man." Erich A. von Fange, "Time Upside Down, "in Creation Research Society Quarterly, June 1974, p.23

"Perhaps more than any other science, human prehistory is a highly personalized pursuit, the whole atmosphere reverberating with the repeated collisions of oversized egos. The reasons are not difficult to discover. For a start, the topic under scrutiny—human origins—is highly emotional, and there are reputations to be made and public acclaim to be savoured for people who unearth ever older putative human ancestors. But the major problem has been the pitifully small number of hominid fossils on which prehistorians exercise their imaginative talents."—*Roger Lewin, "A New Focus for African Prehistory," in New Scientist, September 29, 1977, p. 793.

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[createdtoworship]

Hitler was a Christian, not a Darwinist. A Christian in terms of what he claimed to be, not a Christian in terms of his wonderful relationship with God.

of course he was a darwinist, all the evidence shows it. see my last posts for more info.

secondly a self proclaimed Christian is not necessarily a Christian:

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

is exterminating the Jews doing the will of God?

I don' think so. Now if it was something that was an accident or something that he regretted and had remorse over then that would be one thing, but we simply see quotes like the above with a self deception of thinking He was saved but not in fact saved. Such is the estate of many today.

This is ridiculous. You quote 1889 stuff as evidence for what Hitler stood for? Don't you know when Hitler did his thing?

it was a link of war to darwinism, not of the source to hitler. We all know Hitler had a motive for war, however Darwinism could have been a motive. And With numerous quotes I have proved it so.

This is ridiculous. You quote WW1 stuff as evidence for Hitler's ideas? Don't you know what war Hitler was in?

This is ridiculous. The fittest must never stand in the way of evolution? This is Darwin's idea? Hah!

again it is a motive of the darwinist for world domination, and such said motives could be carried forward to Hitler.

I fear your understanding is somewhat . . . .lacking here.

I answered all of your allegations

thanks for the comment

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look again. The last verese for example. There is a world, a whole world, and there is believers. The whole world is in WICKEDNESS. You seem to illustrate that unbelievers cannot comprehend.

Nope, that is a false assumption on your part.

I do not know any wicked atheists. Now wicked Christians is another matter all together.

 

[createdtoworship]

And if some believer did do some of those things, at least they would feel bad about it. God is working on us from the inside. An unsaved person, not a child of God, would feel more like a pig in with other pigs and mud doing those things. A believer might get in the mud ane even be with pigs, but they would still be a sheep, not a pig! (that I heard from a radio preacher, I think it was Magee)

well I believe in apostacy, so if Hitler was a self proclaimed and active roman catholic and repented then thats one thing. But doing said things, and saying that HE is doing "God's will" is definitely a problem for him. I am reminded of the verse that says

Matthew 7:21New King James Version (NKJV)

I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

Hitler may have said lord lord, but we know a tree by it's fruits. No repentance no salvation. (Hebrews 6:4).

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” -1 John 2:6-7

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 … whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. -1 John 3:7-10
One may walk away from God to many times, that God says..."not my will but thy will"

and in doing so, he gives us the desire to no longer be saved.

On the other hand I do believe in eternal security, but only for those who want it.

 

[createdtoworship]

Sorry gradyll, it still does not fly.

That is still incredibly weak.

And why do you think that a atheist would not understand the Bible? Did you know on average that atheists understand religion better than the average Christian?

sorry your reply doesn't fly, it's incredibly weak.

See how shallow that is, when someone says it to you?

Please don't dodge the evidence anymore.

And Please give honest discussion regarding what is presented. Not doing so is in violation of trolling. You are just here converting and not having open discussion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What happens to all of the creationists that lie about scientists when attacking evolution? If they don't apologize for breaking the Ninth Commandment before they die do they lose salvation?

 

[Subduction Zone]

sorry your reply doesn't fly, it's incredibly weak.

See how shallow that is, when someone says it to you?

Please don't dodge the evidence anymore.

And Please give honest discussion regarding what is presented. Not doing so is in violation of trolling. You are just here converting and not having open discussion.

But you have a history of extremely weak claims. I even pointed out how your claim was weak and wrong when you first posted it and all you gave was more of the same. It does not work in reverse. And the important fact is that this is merely an attempt at a derail of the thread.


When creationists are losing they very often start a derail. AV is a master of the derail, but then he is a master of losing.

 

[PsychoSarah]

"Normal human brain size is 1450cc-1500cc. Neanderthal's is 1600cc. If his brow is low, his brain is larger than modern man's." Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 87.

"The cranial capacity of the Neanderthal race of Homosapiens was, on average, equal to or greater than that in modern man." *Theodosius Dobzhansky, "Cahnging Man", in Science, Janurary 27. 1967, p. 410.

"The [Neanderthal] brain case on the average was more than 13 percent larger than that of the average of modern man." Erich A. von Fange, "Time Upside Down, "in Creation Research Society Quarterly, June 1974, p.23

"Perhaps more than any other science, human prehistory is a highly personalized pursuit, the whole atmosphere reverberating with the repeated collisions of oversized egos. The reasons are not difficult to discover. For a start, the topic under scrutiny—human origins—is highly emotional, and there are reputations to be made and public acclaim to be savoured for people who unearth ever older putative human ancestors. But the major problem has been the pitifully small number of hominid fossils on which prehistorians exercise their imaginative talents."—*Roger Lewin, "A New Focus for African Prehistory," in New Scientist, September 29, 1977, p. 793.

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Neanderthals not being considered a human ancestor is rather recent, you will note that your sources are decades out of date.

 

[justlookinla]

Neanderthals not being considered a human ancestor is rather recent, you will note that your sources are decades out of date.

Since the past 'scientific evolutionary truths' have turned out to be in error, why trust current 'scientific evolutionary truths'?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Since the past 'scientific evolutionary truths' have turned out to be in error, why trust current 'scientific evolutionary truths'?

We don't just trust them, these things are tested over and over and over without end. But I do have to ask how can you still trust the bible when its "truths" have been shown to be in error many many times? A big difference between science and the bible, at least science works to amend its mistakes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since the past 'scientific evolutionary truths' have turned out to be in error, why trust current 'scientific evolutionary truths'?

Good question. Because science always improves. Old ideas are not thrown away on a whim. Their has to be a significant reason to get rid of the old ideas. I am not sure if Neanderthal was ever seriously claimed to be an ancestor. Our two species lived together for much of the time.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Good question. Because science always improves. Old ideas are not thrown away on a whim. Their has to be a significant reason to get rid of the old ideas. I am not sure if Neanderthal was ever seriously claimed to be an ancestor. Our two species lived together for much of the time.

Neanderthals were seriously considered a human ancestor at one point, slightly pushed by somewhat racist ideas (Neanderthals, unlike Cro Magnons, originated in Europe, and if they were an ancestor, this would suggest that humanity began in Europe rather than Africa).

 

[dad]

well I believe in apostacy, so if Hitler was a self proclaimed and active roman catholic and repented then thats one thing. But doing said things, and saying that HE is doing "God's will" is definitely a problem for him.

Obviously if he said that it was a lie.

On the other hand I do believe in eternal security, but only for those who want it.

That doesn't say a lot. One could take that to mean, like the Calvinists, that one never 'really' was saved if one falls. I believe in actual eternal salvation. If people bother to get saved, they must have wanted it.

 

[dad]

...how can you still trust the bible when its "truths" have been shown to be in error many many times? ...

You are in error. The bible is fine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Neanderthals were seriously considered a human ancestor at one point, slightly pushed by somewhat racist ideas (Neanderthals, unlike Cro Magnons, originated in Europe, and if they were an ancestor, this would suggest that humanity began in Europe rather than Africa).

I tried to find an article but failed. Do you have anything?

There is a big difference between what every day people believe and what was accepted by the scientific community.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You are in error. The bible is fine.

You are illogical, you would have to actively ignore the inaccuracies of the bible not to see them.

 

[dad]

Nope, that is a false assumption on your part.

I do not know any wicked atheists. Now wicked Christians is another matter all together.

The bible clearly says the whole world is wicked. (is in wickedness) Whether you call wicked something else is of no matter.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are in error. The bible is fine.

No, there are hundreds of errors in the Bible. And don't forget the failed prophesies too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The bible clearly says the whole world is wicked. (is in wickedness) Whether you call wicked something else is of no matter.

Yes, but the Bible is full of errors. You need a better source than that.