Why do some denominations not believe in Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Gibs]

Keep repeating the same mistake in identifying the stucture of OSAS.

Well the sooner truth comes and we recognize it and take it up the better.

Yes OSAS has fallen to the truth!

 

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Well the sooner truth comes and we recognize it and take it up the better.

Yes OSAS has fallen to the truth!

Funny how some believers state with such certainty against OSAS when they don't know for sure whether they themselves are saved.

I've pointed out several times that there is not one single named believer in the text shown as losing their salvation 'eternally.' So the position of NON-OSAS is entirely derived apart from any named example.

 

[Gibs]

Funny how some believers state with such certainty against OSAS when they don't know for sure whether they themselves are saved.

I've pointed out several times that there is not one single named believer in the text shown as losing their salvation 'eternally.' So the position of NON-OSAS is entirely derived apart from any named example.

Plenty of texts have been presented to perfectly clear it up that OSAS is a fallacy.

It you or anyone has once come to Salvation you will find the evil one will be on you like a mad man to cause you to fall and your only hope is Christ in you and keeping Him Only as master in you or down you will go.

He only is greater than he, Satan, who is in the world!

 

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Plenty of texts have been presented to perfectly clear it up that OSAS is a fallacy.

Exactly zero of those claimed scriptures show a single believer eternally losing their salvation, contrary to what some 'think' they see. It isn't there to see.

It you or anyone has once come to Salvation you will find the evil one will be on you like a mad man to cause you to fall and your only hope is Christ in you and keeping Him Only as master in you or down you will go.

The last place I'd care to get sucked in is by lying and saying 'I'm sinless.' That is kind of the epitome of personal deception don't ya think?

He only is greater than he, Satan, who is in the world!

Your supposed immunity from sin has been duly marked for the big stretch of imagination that it is.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Funny how some believers state with such certainty against OSAS when they don't know for sure whether they themselves are saved.

Feigned certainty about what God will say on judgement day is kind of presumptuous. Some call it a sin to be presumptuous about God's grace and mercy. How about you, what do you call it?

 

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Exactly zero of those claimed scriptures show a single believer eternally losing their salvation, contrary to what some 'think' they see. It isn't there to see.



The last place I'd care to get sucked in is by lying and saying 'I'm sinless.' That is kind of the epitome of personal deception don't ya think?


Your supposed immunity from sin has been duly marked for the big stretch of imagination that it is.

Yes it is true we all have fell in sin, but that don't keep us continuing in sin, Satan does that but Christ is greater if in you and the victory then is yours as long as you allow only Him to be the Master in the soul temple, He in you is the only hope of Glory for any!

 

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Yes it is true we all have fell in sin, but that don't keep us continuing in sin,

I just don't recall becoming sinless quite honestly. The instant I think I'm all that I get an immediate evil defiling thought. Funny how that works ain't it?

Satan does that but Christ is greater if in you and the victory then is yours as long as you allow only Him to be the Master in the soul temple, He in you is the only hope of Glory for any!

I understand that. So why the desire to sell and promote doubt? To me, that is a sin in itself.

I'm entirely NOT confident in myself to start with. So where might I rest my confidence?

 

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Feigned certainty about what God will say on judgement day is kind of presumptuous.

That verdict was already handed down. GUILTY. No one has any basis from that point.

Some call it a sin to be presumptuous about God's grace and mercy. How about you, what do you call it?

Some call it not basing our salvation on our performances and trusting the sufficiency of His.

 

[Gibs]

I just don't recall becoming sinless quite honestly. The instant I think I'm all that I get an immediate evil defiling thought. Funny how that works ain't it?

I understand that. So why the desire to sell and promote doubt? To me, that is a sin in itself.

I'm entirely NOT confident in myself to start with. So where might I rest my confidence?

Christ only is your strength and stay, He alone is the safe haven and fortress.

Ps 61:3 For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy.
Pr 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

 

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Christ only is your strength and stay, He alone is the safe haven and fortress.

Then you understand the reluctance of OSAS adherents to base that trust on anyone else or in any other direction?

Is that a bad thing, that kind of confidence?

 

[MoreCoffee]

That verdict was already handed down. GUILTY. No one has any basis from that point.

Some call it not basing our salvation on our performances and trusting the sufficiency of His.

Well, all I can do is say that presuming on grace is no way to walk with Christ. Asking for grace and mercy is a good way to walk with Jesus.

I hope that this quote from the bible is not too long to hold the attention of those reading this post.

John 15:1-14 NAB (1) I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower. (2) He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit. (3) You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you. (4) Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. (5) I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing. (6) Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned. (7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (8) By this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples. (9) As the Father loves me, so I also love you. Remain in my love. (10) If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love. (11) I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete. (12) This is my commandment: love one another as I love you. (13) No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. (14) You are my friends if you do what I command you.

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[Gibs]

Then you understand the reluctance of OSAS adherents to base that trust on anyone else or in any other direction?

Is that a bad thing, that kind of confidence?

You shy away from the point, He, Christ is able to keep you from falling the OSAS is a fallacy as most want it and claim it even before they are converted.

Then when one is saved the real battle begins, Satan is bent on bringing that one down and he has plenty of time to work on those who have found the way, death of self, fallen and broken on Him and dead of self and alive a new creature in Him

 

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Well, all I can do is say that presuming on grace is no way to walk with Christ. Asking for grace and mercy is a good way to walk with Jesus.

As if we are the arbiter of making God give it to us by such actions?

Grace is freely given. So is forgiveness.

The RCC notion is that God is entirely ineffective for either until some couch potato makes their request.

John 15:1-14 NAB (1) I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower. (2) He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit. (3) You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you. (4) Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. (5) I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing. (6) Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned. (7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (8) By this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples. (9) As the Father loves me, so I also love you. Remain in my love. (10) If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love. (11) I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete. (12) This is my commandment: love one another as I love you. (13) No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. (14) You are my friends if you do what I command you.

Where you think you see God burning believers alive forever in any of that is beyond me.

I might even say people who promote that those who disagree with their religious positions are worthy of death have already experienced a form of current falling. Not much different than what was practiced by Pharisees.

 

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You shy away from the point, He, Christ is able to keep you from falling

Uh, yeah, that is the presentation of OSAS.

 

[MoreCoffee]

squint, it seems wise to me to always rely on God's grace and to hope in his mercy because both are given by his will and according to his purposes. So I seek to be the person he calls me to be and to walk as he calls me to walk; bearing fruit, obeying Jesus' commandments, and always desiring to be a child that he finds pleasure in. I know his love is great yet I do not want to live my life as if I did not love him in return.

God keep you always in his grace and mercy.

 

[Gibs]

Uh, yeah, that is the presentation of OSAS.

Once saved then do you know how it is that you can keep from falling?

 

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squint, it seems wise to me to always rely on God's grace and to hope in his mercy

By claiming they MAY or MAY NOT be effective?

I'd hardly term that reliance.

 

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Once saved then do you know how it is that you can keep from falling?

I don't believe any formulas I may apply are the fulcrum, initiator or mover of those matters.

It's a One Way Street.

 

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Yes it is true we all have fell in sin, but that don't keep us continuing in sin, Satan does that but Christ is greater if in you and the victory then is yours as long as you allow only Him to be the Master in the soul temple, He in you is the only hope of Glory for any!

So at what point does the adam nature leave you I remember our Lord saying we must be crucified daily by the wording of the text that corruption must put on incorruption it is obvious that corruption remains until that day.
if your point Is that sin should not have dominion over me this is only done when one reckons themselves to be dead in Christ crucifixion and the spirit alone living through them. then fine. but still until the Lords return the natural man remains in us

 

[Gibs]

I don't believe any formulas I may apply are the fulcrum, initiator or mover of those matters.

It's a One Way Street.

Christ only can keep you from falling and that don't allow you to continue in sin but to walk with Him above it. No formulas but a dedication to walk with Him and as He did when among us!