How many have actually read The Great Controversy or The Desire of Ages...

[BobRyan]

I started to but then I ran out of little-Lucifer-fire-lighters

There is a quote worth keeping around.

 

[BobRyan]

I also had "desire of ages" and "patriarchs and profits" but they were too long to bother reading, though I was told by somebody that "desire of ages" was not too bad a read.

Another great quote...

 

[Albion]

This point was so obvious that even the Catholic Lawyer and expert on documents and the law who reviewed them - concluded that these books were authentic works by Ellen White.

Bob

That's what the SDA church says, but the facts are quite different.

 

[MoreCoffee]

BobRyan, if you like reading Ellen White's books that's okay. She's regarded as a prophet in your religion. We'd expect you to have a high regard for her books. But she isn't regarded as a prophet in my Church so her books do not attract the kind of adulation among our people that is evident in your posts.

HMS Richards saw Ellen White Speak - YouTube
H M S Richards testifying to Ellen White being a prophet.

 

[Shane R]

I have read The Great Controversy and found it unoriginal. It draws equally from the Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement and the Millerites. The work is decidedly anti-Catholic as well. Moreover, it was boring.

I value the work of Ellen White and Joseph Smith equally, which is not much. In fact there exist some parallels between the Adventists and the Mormons in both history and culture.

 

[squint]

I have read The Great Controversy and found it unoriginal. It draws equally from the Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement and the Millerites. The work is decidedly anti-Catholic as well. Moreover, it was boring.

I value the work of Ellen White and Joseph Smith equally, which is not much. In fact there exist some parallels between the Adventists and the Mormons in both history and culture.

There are many somethings uniquely American about selling christianity by coupling it with pressing impending doom. It's a great close technique. Comes from our consumerist/capitalist programming.

BUY NOW before it's too late! Something you never hear in an orthodox setting.

 

[Albion]

There are many somethings uniquely American about selling christianity by coupling it with pressing impending doom. It's a great close technique. Comes from our consumerist/capitalist programming.

That's a strange conclusion.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

There are many somethings uniquely American about selling christianity by coupling it with pressing impending doom. It's a great close technique. Comes from our consumerist/capitalist programming.

BUY NOW before it's too late! Something you never hear in an orthodox setting.

Commonly called crushing grapes to see the sweet whine

 

[squint]

That's a strange conclusion.

American pop religious culture is part of our rich history.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Never read them and have as much interest in reading them as I do the Book of Mormon or the Talmud.

Would you consider reading a single chapter of the Desire of Ages? Say Chapter 79 - "It is Finished"? and give your thoughts on it? - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ng=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=758

I know you have stated that you have "little interest" in reading them, but I see reason for hope here, as "little interest" is not "no interest".

[I have read bits and pieces of the other two you mentioned. It helps to know the theology/history of others.]

 

[MoreCoffee]

I've read some of pope Benedict XVI's life of Christ and it is most excellent indeed. Far better than the parts of Ellen White's "desire of ages" that I've read ...

I also have an excellent life of Christ in a single volume, short and succinct and very good indeed.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

That's what the SDA church says, but the facts are quite different.

Facts, I will present some, then you present yours, ok? -

[1] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...llen White a Plagiarist by the EGW Estate.PDF

[2] INDEX FILES on Charge of Plagiarism against E.G.White

[3] http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Defense/EllenWhite&HerCritics.pdf

[4] Ellen G. White | Pearltrees

[5] Ellen G. White Defense - Messenger Of The LORD | Pearltrees

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I've read some of pope Benedict XVI's life of Christ...

Wouldn't that be the same person, Ratzinger, that stated in his "Introduction to Christianity, 2nd Edition, page 353":

"...their essential content is not the conception of a restoration of bodies to souls after a long interval; their aim is to tell men that they, they themselves, live on..." - Source Link
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[MoreCoffee]

Wouldn't that be the same person, [Joseph Cardinal] Ratzinger, that stated in his "Introduction to Christianity, 2nd Edition, page 353":

"...their essential content is not the conception of a restoration of bodies to souls after a long interval; their aim is to tell men that they, they themselves, live on..."​

Yes, and that book too is most excellent. Have you read it?

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I have read The Great Controversy ... The work is decidedly anti-Catholic as well ...

A Catholic is a person. Catholicism is a theological system of belief and practice, a religion. The Great Controversy makes the distinction.

For the work speaks of the "Romanists", the "ism" and the "Religion" thereof, etc, but clearly states:

"... But Christians of past generations observed the Sunday, supposing that in so doing they were keeping the Bible Sabbath; and there are now true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion, who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. God accepts their sincerity of purpose and their integrity before Him. But when Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. He is paying homage to Rome and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Rome. He is worshiping the beast and his image. ..." [Page 449.1] - [Link]
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[MoreCoffee]

Shiny Gospel Shoes, you know that if you change this thread into a seventh day Sabbath debate that it will be moved to the sabbath subforum?

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Yes, and that book too is most excellent. ...

This Thread is not an advertising board for the Ignatius Press, Ratzinger or any other personage of the Roman faith, nor for the works of the Roman Catholic church, etc, but is for the two works cited in the OP. Please refrain from further disturbance of and advertisements away from the topic. Thank you.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Shiny Gospel Shoes, you know that if you change this thread into a seventh day Sabbath debate that it will be moved to the sabbath subforum?

Please re-read the intention of the quotation [for the response to a reply] and its purpose for being cited. Thank you.

 

[MoreCoffee]

There's an excellent book on the meaning and observance of the Lord's day that you might want to read.

 

[Yab Yum]

That's a strange conclusion.

I think that's kind of an interesting idea actually. Consumer capitalism as perpetually-looming-event-horizon ...