Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[MoreCoffee]

I've never heard duck on a June bug before....is it an American thing or a regional thing?

It seems to be a metaphor based on duck's passionate like for eating junebugs. From the looks of it a junebug is a bit like a beetle or a cockroach ...

 

[Mama Kidogo]

I've never heard duck on a June bug before....is it an American thing or a regional thing?

I'd say it's American but regional to those owning ducks. Sounds better than a chicken on a blow fly.

 

[GoingByzantine]

Here is a fun one. (sarcasm)

SATAN's JESUITS ATTACKs SDA CHURCH (must see) - YouTube

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here is a fun one. (sarcasm)

SATAN's JESUITS ATTACKs SDA CHURCH (must see) - YouTube

I am surprised the SDA doctor didn't keel over from a heart attack

Anywho, I never knew there was so much fascination by the SDAs concerning the Jesuits, so I popped over to their board to see what I could see......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7368331-2/
Walter Veith

RND--I have long suspected (known) that there are indeed Jesuits on this message board. And they have been somewhat successful in turning some Adventists away from the faith, even a pastor and his wife, we witnessed their downfall to these assassins.

Pray always that 'WE' will be found worthy to escape these deceptions and and stay true to the calling of God in the Three Angels Message--BABYLON IS FALLEN!!!

Originally Posted by RND

DF, I did indeed read Larry Kirkpatrick's stuff and all I can say is two things. 1) He needs to re-read the Great Controversy because that puts the lid on all the "there's no such thing as a conspiracy" talk, and 2) If there are any Adventist's out there that don't think the Jesuit's have invaded the SDA church they are blind, deaf, dumb and hiding from reality and in sore need of number 1.
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Found this great blog while tooling around the "net."

Luther v2.3

Hey, we must be doing OK in some respects for the Jesuits to assign a regular poster here to keep tabs on us.

YouTube - Pastor Bill Hughes - Ancient & Modern Adventism - Catholic infiltration of the SDA Church pt 1

YouTube - Pastor Bill Hughes - Ancient & Modern Adventism - Catholic infiltration of the SDA Church pt 2

YouTube - Pastor Bill Hughes - Ancient & Modern Adventism - Catholic infiltration of the SDA Church pt 6

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am surprised the SDA doctor didn't keel over from a heart attack

The story told in the video clip doesn't name the bishop does it? Or even say when it happened. It's a little bit like "once upon a time ..."

 

[~Anastasia~]

I'd say it's American but regional to those owning ducks. Sounds better than a chicken on a blow fly.

I laughed out loud when I read "chicken on a blow fly"

Then I had to stop and spend about 5 minutes trying to explain to my husband what I'd been chatting about on here, why "duck on a june bug" sounds kinda cute, and why "chicken on a blow fly" made me LOL in contrast.

He didn't get it.

I'm just glad I wasn't drinking anything. Because I found it hilarious!


BTW, as far as ducks ... we had plagues of what seemed near-Biblical proportions on the farm in Texas. The grasshoppers were like a carpet on the ground, raining down on my head when I went outside. They were devouring and killing everything. I went and bought 16 young ducklings, and turned them loose. I ended up with fat, happy ducks, and the only garden that I know of remaining. I taped video of my ducks moving in a swarm across the farm, devouring grasshoppers. It ended up on a news network online. No credit to me. But I thought it was kinda cool that you could google "Texas grasshopper plague" and turn up my video of my ducks.

 

[Targaryen]

The story told in the video clip doesn't name the bishop does it? Or even say when it happened. It's a little bit like "once upon a time ..."

Yes, doesn't it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The story told in the video clip doesn't name the bishop does it? Or even say when it happened.
It's a little bit like "once upon a time ..."

So?

A lot of the parables of Jesus could start off that way.
I am particularly fond of this one, [and no, I do not view the Rich-Man as the Pope ehehe.....]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7306890
Rich-man and Lazarus True story or Parable

LUKE 16:19 [Once upon a time],
"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day."
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Verse 19 also tells us that the rich man "fared sumptuously every day." Figuratively, this represents the magnificent spriritual feast available only to the Jews, who were the sole remaining part of God's called people Israel.
In the first century A.D., they were the only people on earth who had the true religion. Indeed, Paul recounts the glorious station of the house of Judah in Romans 9:3-5.


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[Targaryen]

So?

A lot of the parables of Jesus could start off that way.
I am particularly fond of this one, and no, I do not view the rich man as the Pope ehehe.....

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7306890
Rich-man and Lazarus True story or Parable

LUKE 16:19 [Once upon a time],
"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day."
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Verse 19 also tells us that the rich man "fared sumptuously every day." Figuratively, this represents the magnificent spriritual feast available only to the Jews, who were the sole remaining part of God's called people Israel.
In the first century A.D., they were the only people on earth who had the true religion. Indeed, Paul recounts the glorious station of the house of Judah in Romans 9:3-5.


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I don't think it was meant in the way of Parables LLoJ, but in the way of " this is complete hearsay

 

[Mama Kidogo]

The story told in the video clip doesn't name the bishop does it? Or even say when it happened. It's a little bit like "once upon a time ..."

Give that man on the video some meat. He's hallucinating or he just told a big whopper. A Jesuit telling an Adventist that he believes 'every word of Ellen White'. Yeah, that really happened.

It should have began:
A Jesuit, a donkey and an Adventist went into a bar................

 

[GoingByzantine]

The funny thing is that I can't find a Jesuit Bishop in Mexico, let alone one who survived Cancer. Hmmmm....suspicious, no?

 

[BobRyan]

So - anyway -- back to the topic...

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no need to convince me that the Pope speaking "in all the fulness of apostolic power" is pretty much meaningless.

I am just surprised that Catholics would jump on that idea as if "yeah... that's the ticket".

My point is that Clement "is not a non-catholic much less an SDA" and that their own pope provides the list of condemning actions they participated in - in history - cannot be blamed on "so many mean non-Catholics... SDAs are the only ones that notice a problem in the Jesuit order" - the way some nonsense gets put out there from time to time.

you know... ."the obvious points" impossible to refute.

We can all see them.

recall --

News flash - the Pope himself extinguished the Jesuit order "forever" by "All the Apostolic power" that there is in the "seat of Peter" --

the fulness of our apostolical power, SUPPRESS AND ABOLISH THE SAID COMPANY:

Papal statement abolishing the Jesuit order – 1773. Clement XIV


"in the present case, we are determining upon the fate of a society classed among the mendicant orders, both by its institute and by its privileges; after a mature deliberation, we do, out of our certain knowledge, and the fulness of our apostolical power, SUPPRESS AND ABOLISH THE SAID COMPANY: we deprive it of all activity whatever
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And to this end a member of the regular clergy, recommendable for his prudence and sound morals, shall be chosen to preside over and govern the said houses; so that the name of the Company shall be, and is, for ever extinguished and suppressed."


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do you have any proof of the Jesuits doing something unseemly or just accusations?

Are you asking me to defend the Pope on this one??

Really??

Or are you claiming that Pope's have so many "other reasons" to exterminate the Jesuit order other than Jesuits doing something wrong - that you really can't trust them?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I seem to remember this as an old thread that had disappeared--anyway--I may be repeating myself, but was raised an SDA--went to only SDA schools, except for one year in grade school (worst year of schooling I ever had!)--I never even heard the word Jesuit mentioned by any SDA. There is only one place I ever heard them mentioned---on TV. I grew up watching old movies--from the 30's and 40's and anytime the Jesuits were portrayed in a movie, they were the menacing, quiet, evil ones

Well at least you can add to your list - the information on this page from Pope Clement XIV.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[GoingByzantine]

...and then the Jesuits were restored, also by the Pope. Besides, why do SDAs care if the Pope suppressed a Catholic religious order or not?

 

[MoreCoffee]

BobRyan, how long was the Society of Jesus suppressed and why was the Society of Jesus suppressed?

Did you want me to post the full laundry list that Pope Clement included in his announcement? Really?

I thought I was doing you the favor of not posting everything the Pope said about the Jesuit order.

My point is that Pope Clement is not a Seventh-day Adventist - so you cannot blame every unflattering detail about the Jesuit order that comes to light - on Seventh-day Adventists.

So then - just stating the obvious.

in Christ,

Bob

I have confidence that you will answer the questions eventually. Your reply shown above doesn't really answer any question.

 

[Targaryen]

the conspiracy theory. Jesuits tend to do a lot of works in communities, they just seem to look for "men looking to make a secret move to bring in the reign of the anti-christ" or something as unfounded.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Give that man on the video some meat. He's hallucinating or he just told a big whopper. A Jesuit telling an Adventist that he believes 'every word of Ellen White'. Yeah, that really happened.

It should have began:
A Jesuit, a donkey and an Adventist went into a bar................

Too bad this joke didn't include an EO, MJ and SDA

A RC Priest, a Pentecostal Preacher and a Rabbi...
...all served as chaplains to the students of Northern Michigan University in Marquette. They would get together two or three times a week for coffee and to talk shop.
One day, someone made the comment that preaching to people isn't really all that hard. A real challenge would be to preach to a bear.

One thing led to another, and they decided to do a seven-day experiment. They would all go out into the woods, find a bear, preach to it, and attempt to convert it. Seven days later, they're all together to discuss the experience.

Father Flannery, who has his arm in a sling, is on crutches, and has various bandages, goes first.
"Well," he says, "I went into the woods to find me a bear. And when I found him I began to read to him from the Catechism. Well, that bear wanted nothing to do with me and began to slap me. So I quickly grabbed my holy water, sprinkled him and, Holy Mary Mother of God, he became as gentle as a lamb. The bishop is coming out next week to give him first communion and confirmation."

Reverend Billy Bob spoke next. He was in a wheelchair, with an arm and both legs in casts, and an IV drip.
In his best fire and brimstone oratory he proclaimed, "Well, brothers, you know that we don't sprinkle...we dunk! I went out and I found me a bear. And then I began to read to him from God's holy word! But that bear wanted nothing to do with me. So I took hold of him and we began to wrestle. We wrestle down one hill, up another and down another until we came to a crick. So I quickly dunked him and baptized his hairy soul. And just like you said, he became as gentle as a lamb. We spent the rest of the week in fellowship, feasting on God's holy word, and praising Jesus."

They both looked down at the rabbi, who was lying in a hospital bed. He was in a body cast and traction with IV's and monitors running in and out of him. He was in bad shape.

The rabbi looks up and says, "Oi, you fellows don't know what trouble is until you try to circumcise one of those hairy buggers"

NKJV) Hosea 13:8 I will meet them like a bear deprived [of her cubs;] I will tear open their rib cage,
And there I will devour them like a lion. The wild beast shall tear them.
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[Mama Kidogo]

Too bad this joke didn't include an EO, MJ and SDA

A RC Priest, a Pentecostal Preacher and a Rabbi...
...all served as chaplains to the students of Northern Michigan University in Marquette. They would get together two or three times a week for coffee and to talk shop.
One day, someone made the comment that preaching to people isn't really all that hard. A real challenge would be to preach to a bear.

One thing led to another, and they decided to do a seven-day experiment. They would all go out into the woods, find a bear, preach to it, and attempt to convert it. Seven days later, they're all together to discuss the experience.

Father Flannery, who has his arm in a sling, is on crutches, and has various bandages, goes first.
"Well," he says, "I went into the woods to find me a bear. And when I found him I began to read to him from the Catechism. Well, that bear wanted nothing to do with me and began to slap me. So I quickly grabbed my holy water, sprinkled him and, Holy Mary Mother of God, he became as gentle as a lamb. The bishop is coming out next week to give him first communion and confirmation."

Reverend Billy Bob spoke next. He was in a wheelchair, with an arm and both legs in casts, and an IV drip.
In his best fire and brimstone oratory he proclaimed, "Well, brothers, you know that we don't sprinkle...we dunk! I went out and I found me a bear. And then I began to read to him from God's holy word! But that bear wanted nothing to do with me. So I took hold of him and we began to wrestle. We wrestle down one hill, up another and down another until we came to a crick. So I quickly dunked him and baptized his hairy soul. And just like you said, he became as gentle as a lamb. We spent the rest of the week in fellowship, feasting on God's holy word, and praising Jesus."

They both looked down at the rabbi, who was lying in a hospital bed. He was in a body cast and traction with IV's and monitors running in and out of him. He was in bad shape.

The rabbi looks up and says, "Oi, you fellows don't know what trouble is until you try to circumcise one of those hairy buggers"

NKJV) Hosea 13:8 I will meet them like a bear deprived [of her cubs;] I will tear open their rib cage,
And there I will devour them like a lion. The wild beast shall tear them.
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You are a bad little lamb.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan, how long was the Society of Jesus suppressed and why was the Society of Jesus suppressed?

Did you want me to post the full laundry list that Pope Clement included in his announcement? Really?

I thought I was doing you the favor of not posting everything the Pope said about the Jesuit order.

My point is that Pope Clement is not a Seventh-day Adventist - so you cannot blame every unflattering detail about the Jesuit order that comes to light - on Seventh-day Adventists.

So then - just stating the obvious.

I have confidence that you will answer the questions eventually. Your reply shown above doesn't really answer any question.

as i said in "the details" above - I am more than happy to post the laundry list that Pope Clement gave -

It never occurred to me that you felt this was a "solution" for your POV.

How "odd that even the Pope" complained about the Jesuit oath.

"These dissensions and disputes arose sometimes concerning the nature of their vows, the

Beyond the "nature of their vows" there was the issue of morals and heterodoxy.

"Who would have thought that even these dispositions should prove ineffectual towards appeasing the cries and appeals against the Society? On the contrary, very violent disputes arose on all sides concerning the doctrine of the Society, which many represented as contrary to the orthodox faith and to sound morals. The dissensions among themselves, and with others, grew every day more animated; the accusations against the Society were multiplied without number, and especially with that insatiable avidity of temporal possessions with which it was reproached.

Pope Clement XIV goes on to say

[FONT=&quot] these very Companions of Jesus[/FONT] persuaded that there remained no other remedy to so great evils; and that this step was necessary in order to prevent the Christians from rising one against another, and from massacring each other in the very bosom of our common mother the Holy Church[FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Since MC wants to know more of what Pope Clement lamented about concerning the Jesuits ...

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"Notwithstanding so many and so great favours, it appears from the apostolical Constitutions, that, almost at the very moment of its institution, their arose in the bosom of this Society divers seeds of discord and dissension, not only among the companions themselves, but with other regular orders, the secular clergy, the academies; the universities, the public schools, and lastly, even with the princes of the states in which the Society was received.

"These dissensions and disputes arose sometimes concerning the nature of their vows, the time of admission to them, the power of expulsion, the right of admission to holy orders without a sufficient title, and without having taken the solemn vows, contrary to the tenor of the decrees of the Council of Trent, and of Pius V., our predecessor; sometimes concerning the absolute authority assumed by the General of the said order, and on matters relating to the good government and discipline of the order; sometimes concerning different points of doctrine concerning their schools, or such of their exemptions and privileges as the ordinaries and other civil or ecclesiastical officers declared to be contrary to their rights and jurisdiction. In short, accusations of the greatest nature, and very detrimental to the peace and tranquility of the Christian republic, have been continually received against the said order. Hence the origin of that infinity of appeals and protests against this Society, which so many sovereigns have laid at the foot of the throne of our predecessors Paul IV., Pius V., and Sixtus V.


"Among the princes who have thus appealed, is Philip II., King of Spain, of glorious memory, who laid before Sixtus V. not only the reasons of complaint which he had, but also those alleged by the inquisitors of his kingdom, against the excessive privileges of the Society, and the form of their government. He desired likewise that the Pope should be acquainted with the heads of accusation laid against the Society, and confirmed by some of its own members remarkable for their learning and piety, and demanded that the Society should undergo an apostolic visitation. Sixtus V., convinced that these demands and solicitations of Philip were just and well founded, did, without hesitation, comply therewith; and, in consequence, named a bishop of distinguished prudence, virtue, and learning, to be apostolical visitor, and at the same time deputed a congregation of cardinals to examine this matter.
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"Who would have thought that even these dispositions should prove ineffectual towards appeasing the cries and appeals against the Society? On the contrary, very violent disputes arose on all sides concerning the doctrine of the Society, which many represented as contrary to the orthodox faith and to sound morals. The dissensions among themselves, and with others, grew every day more animated; the accusations against the Society were multiplied without number, and especially with that insatiable avidity of temporal possessions with which it was reproached. Hence the rise not only of those well-known troubles which brought so much care and solicitude upon the Holy See, but also of the resolutions which certain sovereigns took against the said order.

"It resulted that, instead of obtaining from Paul V., of blessed memory, a fresh confirmation of its institute and privileges, the Society was reduced to ask of him that he would condescend to ratify and confirm, by his authority, certain decrees formed in the Fifth General Congregation of the Company, and transcribed word for word in the Brief of the said Pope, bearing date September 4, 1606. In these decrees, it is plainly acknowledged that the dissensions and internal revolts of the said companions, together with the demands and appeals of strangers, had obliged the said companions assembled in congregation to enact the following statute, namely:
" 'The Divine Providence having raised up our Society for the propagation of the Faith, and the gaining of souls, the said Society can, by the rules of its own institute, which are its spiritual arms, arrive happily, under the standard of the Cross, at the end which it has proposed for the good of the Church and the edification of our neighbours. But the said Society would prevent the effect of these precious goods, and expose them to the most imminent dangers, if it concerned itself with temporal matters, and which relate to political affairs and the administration of government; in consequence whereof, it has been wisely ordained by our superiors and ancients, that, confining ourselves to combat for the glory of God, we should not concern ourselves with matters foreign to our profession but whereas, in these times of difficulty and danger, it has happened, through the fault perhaps of certain individuals, through ambition and intemperate zeal, that our institute has been ill spoken of in divers places, and before divers sovereigns,