Catholic Teachings.... Backed by Scripture??

[Targaryen]

I just want to see just once, a solid theological critique from one that cherry picks from the Bible but offers no real substance behind the cherry picking.

So Ted....what you say? Want to actually try this time? Or you content to cherry pick and go back to your "prosperity gospel"?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, catholic teachings are not

backed

by a protestant interpretation of what the bible says

that's what makes it a protestant interpretation

of the bible

 

[squint]

So you expected the Church to just die after the death of the Apostles? Are we all living a lie, thinking that we are members of a Church that ceased to exist 1900 years ago? Is Christianity a farce in your mind?

I try to be specific in my critique as there are matters of determination, many, from the early church that I can't help but agree with as they are right.

As to infallible sinners, no. Does that mean the end of Apostles? No. And as to discrimination, human rights abuse, promoting the torture/killing of people who believe but disagree with the RCC, big no. Big big no. To my own death no. Other matters from there diminish in importance for me.

 

[Ted Lang]

Most of the ancient Christian churches predate the New Testament scriptures. So called "Bible based" churches are missing a big chunk of what was handed down by the Apostles.

If that is true... then that would mean Jesus Christ is incapable of controlling what went in to God's official Book, which would mean He is an utter failure!

The truth of the matter is, Jesus Christ has only the text He wants in the Bible... inspite of organizations like the RCC... and He honors it as His official canon.

Sadly, in the end the RCC and other religions are going to find this out the hard way because God does not accept idolatry as a personal relationship thru Jesus Christ is THE only way unto Salvation and Eternal Life.

Sometimes... folks just have to experience consequences for themselves before they can know and understand the truth and this is one of those times. Time marches on...

 

[Root of Jesse]

The Bible is God's Word, His will... those that have a personal relationship with Him will adhere to His will as The Lord leads by the Holy Spirit Who always agrees with God's Word.

The true children of God, according to Romans 8, and led by the Holy Spirit and Jesus said the Holy Spit came to lead us into all truth... then Jesus said God's Word IS truth.

If a person is willing to believe things that are outside of God's Word, then the devil can deceive them with all kinds of stuff.

Did God speak? Or did he write? And who are you to determine that it's not God's word?

 

[Ted Lang]

One thing about all this that is irrefutable that is beyond a shadow of anyone's doubt is that... eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.

For many years, I've experienced Jesus Christ honoring His written Word, so I already know the answer to this question. I understand that some need a sign...

 

[Root of Jesse]

If that is true... then that would mean Jesus Christ is incapable of controlling what went in to God's official Book, which would mean He is an utter failure!

The truth of the matter is, Jesus Christ has only the text He wants in the Bible... inspite of organizations like the RCC... and He honors it as His official canon.

Sadly, in the end the RCC and other religions are going to find this out the hard way because God does not accept idolatry as a personal relationship thru Jesus Christ is THE only way unto Salvation and Eternal Life.

Sometimes... folks just have to experience consequences for themselves before they can know and understand the truth and this is one of those times. Time marches on...

If what you believe is true, then God is incapable of controlling two human beings, Adam and Eve, in a controlled environment.

 

[Root of Jesse]

One thing about all this that is irrefutable that is beyond a shadow of anyone's doubt is that... eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.

For many years, I've experienced Jesus Christ honoring His written Word, so I already know the answer to this question. I understand that some need a sign...

Did Jesus ever direct anyone to write anything???

 

[Ted Lang]

We gonna find out whassup...

 

[Tzaousios]

We gonna find out whassup...

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[BBAS 64]

Did Jesus ever direct anyone to write anything???

Scripture is God-breathed and men were lead by the spirit of God in their writing he (God) lead them to do so... and Jesus is God

So ... yes he in fact he did.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Root of Jesse]

Scripture is God-breathed and men were lead by the spirit of God in their writing he (God) lead them to do so... and Jesus is God

So ... yes he in fact he did.

In Him,

Bill

What about when God speaks through men? Is that not, equally, the Word of God?

But Jesus didn't direct men to write anything. Inspiration is different.

 

[Ted Lang]

What is that supposed to mean?

Eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.

What about when God speaks through men? Is that not, equally, the Word of God?

Only IF it agrees with the Word... so satan cannot deceive men into believing things that God never instructed man to do.

But Jesus didn't direct men to write anything.

So, if I understand your position correctly... you are saying the Bible is not actually God's Word, right?

If you really believe Jesus did not instruct men to write the scriptures, then this would have to be your position.

Eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.

 

[BBAS 64]

What about when God speaks through men? Is that not, equally, the Word of God?

But Jesus didn't direct men to write anything. Inspiration is different.

Good Day,

Do you mean like Benny Hinn has a word from God... or some other modern day form of gnostic behavior?

Inspiration is derived from the fact Scripture is the very word of God, I can not separate the two.

 

[Ted Lang]

Good Day,

Do you mean like Benny Hinn has a word from God... or some other modern day form of gnostic behavior?

Inspiration is derived from the fact Scripture is the very word of God, I can not separate the two.

The Holy Spirit does in fact give His peoples words of knowledge... BUT it always is in line with the Bible and God's ways of being and doing right as found in scripture.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.





Only IF it agrees with the Word... so satan cannot deceive men into believing things that God never instructed man to do.

Right, and that's why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Apostles and those who succeeded them-to prevent deception in matters of faith and morals. Which defines the Catholic hierarchy. So when the pope speaks on matters of faith and morals to the entire Church, it is God's word he speaks.

So, if I understand your position correctly... you are saying the Bible is not actually God's Word, right?

Oh, no, I never said that. I said it's not his only word.

If you really believe Jesus did not instruct men to write the scriptures, then this would have to be your position.

Jesus never said anywhere to write Scriptures. He said "Go and teach", "Go and proclaim", but never "Go and write".

Eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Good Day,

Do you mean like Benny Hinn has a word from God... or some other modern day form of gnostic behavior?

Inspiration is derived from the fact Scripture is the very word of God, I can not separate the two.

The problem with most modern-day preachers is that we have no assurance. With the bishops, archbishops, cardinals and pope, we have some assurance-Jesus' own promise.

I'm not asking you to separate Scripture from the Word of God, such would be impossible. I'm asking you to understand that Scripture is not the only way God speaks to us.

 

[Ted Lang]

understand that Scripture is not the only way God speaks to us.

OK, so why bother with the Bible if the Holy Spirit... Who wrote the Bible... doesn't adhere to what He said?

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If this was God telling His people to do these things, that would be very important information fir us to know and as such He would have written these instructions in His Word which He did not.

So, all you are saying is "you gotta take our word for it that we are speaking for God, and God did not put this stuff in the Bible"

Yeah, good luck wit all dat

 

[Tzaousios]

OK, so why bother with the Bible if the Holy Spirit... Who wrote the Bible... doesn't adhere to what He said?

You have not addressed the problem of what and how the Holy Spirit mediates. When you read the Bible, does the Holy Spirit automatically mediate THE correct interpretation, every single time?


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If this was God telling His people to do these things, that would be very important information fir us to know and as such He would have written these instructions in His Word which He did not.

That's nice, but once again, how does the Holy Spirit mediate the truth of Scripture to you? Are you willing to admit that you interpret Scripture within a Protestant tradition which demands that you discount anything you perceive to be "Catholic?"

 

[Ted Lang]

Eventually we are going to find out if Jesus did actually publish a Book that represents the will of the Father, or not.

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