Sabbath was made for man

[Gibs]

Denial of content results in the pompous holier-than-thou used Dodge.

At least VictorC I am not dodging a plain thus saith the LORD.

 

[VictorC]

At least VictorC I am not dodging a plain thus saith the LORD.

You're still having trouble finding a commandment to keep the Sabbath unholy, aren't you?

 

[Gibs]

You're still having trouble finding a commandment to keep the Sabbath unholy, aren't you?

I am glad that commandment don't exist because my God is Love and Good and requests nothing of us that is unholy!

 

[VictorC]

I am glad that commandment don't exist because my God is Love and Good and requests nothing of us that is unholy!

That's what I told you in my very first post to you yesterday. I feel so... what's the word? ... vindicated. You have no reason to keep something noncompliant with the Law that ordained it, nor do you have any reason to rail on those of us grateful for God's redemption from the former code that estranged us apart from Him.

 

[from scratch]

I am glad that commandment don't exist because my God is Love and Good and requests nothing of us that is unholy!

If you keep the Sabbath it must exist.

 

[Gibs]

Scratch, you didn't get the whole message, VictorC had said unholy commandment and in response I stated,

I am glad that commandment don't exist because my God is Love and Good and requests nothing of us that is unholy!

Sure I keep it and it for sure is a Holy Commandment as He is HOLY and nothing but Holy comes from Him! And oh yes it certainly does still exist and cannot and will not be changed by Him nor can any other change it or abrogate it!.

 

[from scratch]

Scratch, you didn't get the whole message, VictorC had said unholy commandment and in response I stated,

I am glad that commandment don't exist because my God is Love and Good and requests nothing of us that is unholy!

Sure I keep it and it for sure is a Holy Commandment as He is HOLY and nothing but Holy comes from Him! And oh yes it certainly does still exist and cannot and will not be changed by Him nor can any other change it or abrogate it!.

I would think that to keep it holy one would at least have to be incompliance with the stone tablets. Sadly you're not and thus don't keep it much less holy.

 

[Gibs]

I would think that to keep it holy one would at least have to be incompliance with the stone tablets. Sadly you're not and thus don't keep it much less holy.

Scratch you evidently hold to the theology that no one can keep the law and not sin.

Of that I do not agree, hear Paul on this, he reveals the mystery as to how we can!

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

You know that if we do not overcome sinning it sure don't sound good.

Hear Jesus here,
Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.[/COLOR]

OOOWEE, what does that say for he that don't overcome his sinning?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Scratch you evidently hold to the theology that no one can keep the law and not sin.

Of that I do not agree, hear Paul on this, he reveals the mystery as to how we can!.........

You know that if we do not overcome sinning it sure don't sound good.

Hear Jesus here,
Re 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

OOOWEE, what does that say for he that don't overcome his sinning?

The Jews are still scratching their heads over that "2nd death" thang........

http://www.christianforums.com/t7693566/
the lake of fire, the second death as spiritual death?

 

[Elder 111]

Would you be remotely suggesting its the people who stoned violators of the law rather than being told to do so by it? The law grants no mercy anywhere. Its violation always brings death in every case.

Is that the fault of the law or the violators? It is not the fault of the speed limit that people get tickets is it?
The problem is not the law! stop making it look like it is!

 

[from scratch]

Scratch you evidently hold to the theology that no one can keep the law and not sin.

Of that I do not agree, hear Paul on this, he reveals the mystery as to how we can!

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

You know that if we do not overcome sinning it sure don't sound good.

Hear Jesus here,
Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.[/COLOR]

OOOWEE, what does that say for he that don't overcome his sinning?

Of course we know your theology doesn't line up with the Bible.

Being perfect or complete has nothing to do with the law. The Bible plainly states there are none that keep the law. IOW everyone has or continues to violate the law or sin. Violating the law isn't keeping the law. Now do you want to talk about willful sin?

 

[from scratch]

Is that the fault of the law or the violators? It is not the fault of the speed limit that people get tickets is it?
The problem is not the law! stop making it look like it is!

How can a fault be attributed to the law? Sin preceded it. I never said the law was the problem and have no idea why you think I've done so. You appear to think I'm attacking the law.

 

[Gibs]

Elder 111,

You got that right and also, judgment by a righteous judge must be done before the penalty of the law is given out.

To do so before is a crime in it's self.

1Jo[bless and do not curse]4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Gibs]

How can a fault be attributed to the law? Sin preceded it. I never said the law was the problem and have no idea why you think I've done so. You appear to think I'm attacking the law.

Bro. Scratch,

You just are not a thinking, the law only points out the sin or infraction, as a schoolmaster, it's the great Judge only who hands down the penalty and for ones to do the "hanging" before He does is even a worse lawbreaker.

 

[VictorC]

Scratch, you didn't get the whole message, VictorC had said unholy commandment and in response I stated,

I am glad that commandment don't exist because my God is Love and Good and requests nothing of us that is unholy!

Sure I keep it and it for sure is a Holy Commandment as He is HOLY and nothing but Holy comes from Him! And oh yes it certainly does still exist and cannot and will not be changed by Him nor can any other change it or abrogate it!.

I'm glad you can remember part of the dialog - but you left out the part where you admitted that the Sabbath you keep is unholy and noncompliant with the Law that ordained it. Contradicting yourself in this post shows the typical selective memory loss you've exercised throughout our conversation.

 

[Gibs]

I'm glad you can remember part of the dialog - but you left out the part where you admitted that the Sabbath you keep is unholy and noncompliant with the Law that ordained it. Contradicting yourself in this post shows the typical selective memory loss you've exercised throughout our conversation.

I have not the least problem with REMEMBER as that is how our God has started the Fourth Commandment, AH, it is straight forward and you can remember too after reading it!

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Ex 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Echoed by James,
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The Royal law is another name for it.

 

[VictorC]

I have not the least problem with REMEMBER as that is how our God has started the Fourth Commandment, AH, it is straight forward and you can remember too after reading it! <snip>

My role here isn't to help you remember what you posted. Truth be told, you completely forgot, and quoting the Mosaic covenant once again merely condemns your pseudo-Judaic replacement of the Sabbath.

 

[Gibs]

My role here isn't to help you remember what you posted. Truth be told, you completely forgot, and quoting the Mosaic covenant once again merely condemns your pseudo-Judaic replacement of the Sabbath.

Jesus and the Father who was in Him in ALL fullness made the WAY and it seems to me you out of presumption of false application of scripture made a way that is not valid.

The unchanging Law is the same in both covenants. You may have convinced yourself that it isn't but you may as well not continue to convince me of that as there is no valid scripture to support it!

 

[VictorC]

Jesus and the Father who was in Him in ALL fullness made the WAY and it seems to me you out of presumption of false application of scripture made a way that is not valid.

The unchanging Law is the same in both covenants. You may have convinced yourself that it isn't but you may as well not continue to convince me of that as there is no valid scripture to support it!

Gibs, there was plenty of Scripture provided for your consideration - and in almost all cases you chose not to respond or even consider it. What you're doing in this latest episode is parroting a claim that Scripture already proved to be false, and you elected to offer no comment to it. This is similar to repeating a fallacious straw man five times in recent posts and pretending that it is valid each time. It was you who demanded our acceptance of some supposedly divine commandment to adopt your unBiblical and unholy 'sabbath', and you can't find one scrap of support from your KJV Bible for your contention.

As I mentioned, my role here isn't to help you remember what you've posted. That remains your responsibility. A discussion forum is a good tool to encourage edification and learning more about the common faith we as Christians share - but if you can only resort to ad hominem, non-existent "commandments" nowhere applicable to the audience, and straw man presentations, it isn't going to benefit your participation.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Jesus and the Father who was in Him in ALL fullness made the WAY and it seems to me you out of presumption of false application of scripture made a way that is not valid.

The unchanging Law is the same in both covenants. You may have convinced yourself that it isn't but you may as well not continue to convince me of that as there is no valid scripture to support it!

This is non trinitarian here.... Jesus doesn't have the Father in him, they may be seen as "one" in that Jesus did all the Father wanted but they are truly separate persons of the trinity.