Sabbath was made for man

[from scratch]

Im saying sabbath rest belong to the jews. The same people whom you say will never enter G-d's rest.

But the Sabbath isn't God's rest.

 

[from scratch]

It demonstrates that you are in the minority in your interpretation of the bible.

Really? Just when did this happen. The SDA organization isn't the majority of Christianity. In fact they're miniscule at best in the religious community.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Really? Just when did this happen. The SDA organization isn't the majority of Christianity. In fact they're miniscule at best in the religious community.

More of a "fringe" of Christianity itself as their beliefs tend to be more related to Judaism than mainline Christianity IMO.

 

[Gibs]

It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Re 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Sophrosyne]

It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Re 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Won't be interesting at all, because if you break it just once you will be seen just as if you broke every law that Moses gave Israel. This will make those "keeping" the Law the same as those not trying to keep it as far as sin goes they will both have to rely on faith in Jesus or be sunk. I think the difference may well end up that those who refuse to bother with the Mosaic Law and follow the New Testament teachings loving their neighbor will be seen as righteous by their faith while those who rely on their "work" of keeping the Law (Sabbath Day) will be found void of faith and righteousness. The Sabbath was never meant to be a test of faith because even atheistic Jews kept it at times it did nothing to help them be sinless because they had no faith in God whatsoever.

Who is more righteous? The Jew who rejects Jesus yet keeps the Sabbath or the Christian who accepts Jesus and rejects the Sabbath Day as binding?

 

[from scratch]

It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Re 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

So who does Isaiah have in mind when saying the above? Is it Israel, the Christian or even the world as my SDA fiends would say?

 

[Gibs]

Sophrosyne and Scratch,

You answered your own question Sophrosyne about the Jew and the Sabbath, in that he who breaks one may as well break them all. Also Dear John made it clear when He stated Lord's day which he saw as God's Holy day and not the Sunday. You must note that Jesus and all the Apostles kept Sabbath the whole time,

Scratch, who Isaiah has in mind is God and His Holy day, only He can make anything Holy, men only presume that of Sunday. Satan would be the author of that lie.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Sophrosyne and Scratch,

You answered your own question Sophrosyne about the Jew and the Sabbath, in that he who breaks one may as well break them all. Also Dear John made it clear when He stated Lord's day which he saw as God's Holy day and not the Sunday. You must note that Jesus and all the Apostles kept Sabbath the whole time,

Jesus and the Apostles were Jews, Israelis, under the Mosaic Law they were required to keep the Law. There is NEVER EVER listed a requirement for those NOT OF ISRAEL to keep the Law. We have seen proof that if you are NOT of Israel and were found keeping the Law it was a death penalty so telling Gentile Christians to keep the Sabbath was death to them.

Scratch, who Isaiah has in mind is God and His Holy day, only He can make anything Holy, men only presume that of Sunday. Satan would be the author of that lie.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

We are not sons of Jacob... why are you posting invalid scripture here?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Gibs

It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

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So who does Isaiah have in mind when saying the above?
Is it Israel, the Christian or even the world as my SDA fiends would say?

Reminds me of this great horror flick:

Fiend Without a Face Official Trailer #1 - Marshall Thompson Movie (1958) HD - YouTube

 

[Gibs]

Did not want to bring down the lengthy quote so just copied and am pasting the crux of it,

Originally Posted by Gibs
It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

Originally Posted by from scratch View Post
So who does Isaiah have in mind when saying the above?
Is it Israel, the Christian or even the world as my SDA fiends would say?

My answer to your post,

I am not of the SDA structure, I am a for sure Non Denominational.

No it matters not what any denominational creed states, what matters is what the Infallible Word states! To it you need to set up and pay attention!

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Proves He changes not. Better heed than disobey!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by from scratch View Post
So who does Isaiah have in mind when saying the above?
Is it Israel, the Christian or even the world as my SDA fiends would say?

My answer to your post,

I am not of the SDA structure, I am a for sure Non Denominational.

Proves He changes not. Better heed than disobey!

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If you keep the Jewish Fri-Sat sabbath, then why not join the SDAs if you are that committed to it....just wondering...


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[from scratch]

Sophrosyne and Scratch,

You answered your own question Sophrosyne about the Jew and the Sabbath, in that he who breaks one may as well break them all. Also Dear John made it clear when He stated Lord's day which he saw as God's Holy day and not the Sunday. You must note that Jesus and all the Apostles kept Sabbath the whole time,

Scratch, who Isaiah has in mind is God and His Holy day, only He can make anything Holy, men only presume that of Sunday. Satan would be the author of that lie.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

If what you say/think Mal 3:6 says Jeremiah is a false prophet or God lies. Same goes for some other prophets as well.

 

[from scratch]

Did not want to bring down the lengthy quote so just copied and am pasting the crux of it,

Originally Posted by Gibs
It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

Originally Posted by from scratch View Post
So who does Isaiah have in mind when saying the above?
Is it Israel, the Christian or even the world as my SDA fiends would say?

My answer to your post,

I am not of the SDA structure, I am a for sure Non Denominational.

Just where did I say you're SDA?

No it matters not what any denominational creed states, what matters is what the Infallible Word states! To it you need to set up and pay attention!

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

If Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law why do you have to? It is evident that all things have been fulfilled or Jesus isn't your high priest (Heb 7:12). If the law is still enforce Jesus is a sinner because He can't be a priest according to the law. Do you comprehend what that means? It means that God is a wicked sinner just like us.

Have you read LK 24:44 where Jesus solves this problem?

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So one can break the commandments and enter heaven or are your arguing for status in heaven. Status in nothing more than vanity called sin.

Proves He changes not. Better heed than disobey!

Quaking in my boots. I'm not ruled by fear. God changed the covenant (rules) anyway. You just haven't seemed to get the message yet.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

What does this verse have to do with the subject? I don't see anything about keeping the law. Does anyone else?

Now would you like to answer the question of who Moses was talking to?

 

[Gibs]

If you keep the Jewish Fri-Sat sabbath, then why not join the SDAs if you are that committed to it....just wondering...


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The Sabbath came from Heaven and is in sync with Heaven and all Heaven keeps it. Check out Enoch's writings.

There is but one Church to be in and know it is the true one and the gates of hell have not prevailed against it,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

His Word guarantees it will not fail! All others are structures of men, Christ, God's designated Builder built the True one so it is the one to join. All it takes is to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth and He will be in the midst thereof and His Presence in it only constitutes Church!

Mt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

His Church is the true non denominational and True Church! I am a member of it!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Gibs]

Scratch,

Jesus fulfilled the law by keeping it and that does not fulfill it for you.

For heavens sake, Jesus makes it clear to you! Hear Him,

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

You can too do it as He did as your example because,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[from scratch]

The Sabbath came from Heaven and is in sync with Heaven and all Heaven keeps it. Check out Enoch's writings.

There is but one Church to be in and know it is the true one and the gates of hell have not prevailed against it,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

His Word guarantees it will not fail! All others are structures of men, Christ, God's designated Builder built the True one so it is the one to join. All it takes is to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth and He will be in the midst thereof and His Presence in it only constitutes Church!

Mt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

His Church is the true non denominational and True Church! I am a member of it!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

If I recall correctly this thread is about the Sabbath. Should we take your above post with that in mind or do you have something else in mind?

 

[from scratch]

Scratch,

Jesus fulfilled the law by keeping it and that does not fulfill it for you.

For heavens sake, Jesus makes it clear to you! Hear Him,

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

You can too do it as He did as your example because,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Then there's no salvation. You'll get your payment for services rendered.

One more question for you - would you plainly tell us why you don't keep the law specifically the 4th commandment written on stone?

 

[Gibs]

Scratch,

I do keep the Sabbath commandment, it is not galling but is a pleasure as in it He comes to tabernacle with us and to shed His light upon us. Yes as Isaiah states "it is a delight!"

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[mmksparbud]

I want to ask a question: and I do not want personal opinion, I am asking a legitimate question out of curiosity while watching a history of religion in America.

At what time in history did the concept of the 10 commandments not being needed come into vogue??--It was not when the first settlers came to this country as they then turned around and made laws requiring the keeping of the 10 commandments and requiring the displaying of the 10 in churches and courtrooms. People were severely punished, and occasionally even hanged, for the breaking of them, including keeping Sunday as the Sabbath, on law books requiring church attendance 3 times a day on Sundays. In the 1800's they still were mandatory in churches, keeping them was required by all churches--and into the 1900's, and even into the 1950's the keeping of the ten was still a requirement of just about every church and preached on often, but not quite as often or as strongly. Did it start in the 50's??--Or was it later?? Saved by grace has been stated as far back as the old testament-- I am not talking about that--I am asking about he concept that the 10 commandments are no longer needed.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I want to ask a question: and I do not want personal opinion, I am asking a legitimate question out of curiosity while watching a history of religion in America.

At what time in history did the concept of the 10 commandments not being needed come into vogue??--It was not when the first settlers came to this country as they then turned around and made laws requiring the keeping of the 10 commandments and requiring the displaying of the 10 in churches and courtrooms. People were severely punished, and occasionally even hanged, for the breaking of them, including keeping Sunday as the Sabbath, on law books requiring church attendance 3 times a day on Sundays. In the 1800's they still were mandatory in churches, keeping them was required by all churches--and into the 1900's, and even into the 1950's the keeping of the ten was still a requirement of just about every church and preached on often, but not quite as often or as strongly. Did it start in the 50's??--Or was it later?? Saved by grace has been stated as far back as the old testament-- I am not talking about that--I am asking about he concept that the 10 commandments are no longer needed.

I'm sorry but even though the 10 is posted, almost no Christian were keeping the Sabbath and almost no mainline Church organization were demanding Sabbath keeping. Personally it wouldn't bother me if they removed the 10 commandments from every corner of the Earth they are invalid for Christians only needed by Jews who for the most part reject Christ.