Christian men tempted by breastfeeding in public?

[ebia]

Ideally we should all just accept breastfeeding as the norm. But in our societies, it is not norm to be confronted with breasts and so is offensiveness. Women who breastfeed and are proud of the fact tend to want to fulfil their God given right to feed and do not give a dam about the rest of us. This is what I find offensive that a woman would not even consider I might not want to see all her bits in public. At a restaurant especially it would be wrong without covering up. Many Western countries just do not do that sort of thing and breast feeding mothers should understand this instead of insisting that they are right to show in public. It is like an arrogance.

What about a baby's right to be fed in the way they need when they need it?
Why do your cultural sensitivities override that?
If someone said "i find the way you chew your food revolting" would you be prepared to have a blanket over your head when you eat in a restaurant?

 

[Sammy-San]

Would you want a blanket over your head when you are eating?
It's not coincidence that the focal length of a baby's eyes early on is the distance between breast and the mother's eyes. Eye contact while feeding is an integral part of how mother and baby bond.

1- That comparison doesn't work, for several reasons. Watching people eat is not that gross. Most people don't eat with their mouths open. Even if everybody ate with their mouths open, putting a blanket on doesn't get rid of the sound. Second of all, listening to people chew is not on the same level of disgust as breastfeeding.

2-Mothers and babies can have eye contact at other times, or when they breastfeed while not in public.

 

[ebia]

1- That comparison doesn't work, for several reasons. Watching people eat is not that gross. Most people don't eat with their mouths open. Even if everybody ate with their mouths open, putting a blanket on doesn't get rid of the sound. Second of all, listening to people chew is not on the same level of disgust as breastfeeding.

That's entirely subjective ad-hoc evasion.

2-Mothers and babies can have eye contact at other times, or when they breastfeed while not in public.

Why should your feelings override the best developmental needs of the child even some of the time?

 

[Sammy-San]

That's entirely subjective ad-hoc evasion.


Why should your feelings override the best developmental needs of the child even some of the time?

1-What is ad hoc evasion? It's not subjective. My arguement makes sense-you cannot compare 2 totally different things.

2-Some baby is not going to develop a mental disability because it didn't look at its mother while breastfeeding. Besides, many women just want to show off their breastfeeding to the world, and they are offended that people find it to be "gross" or "offensive". That's (at least) partially, because of our culture's worship of babies and supposedly how "cute" they are.

 

[ebia]

1-What is ad hoc evasion? It's not subjective.

Your feeling of disgust is entirely subjective and cultural.
As is whether someone feels disgust watching another person's eating.
Chucking in random stuff like sounds is ad-hoc.

2-Some baby is not going to develop a mental disability because it didn't look at its mother while breastfeeding.

A severe mental disability - probably not.
But you are are depriving the baby and the relationship with a part of what is designed to enable its proper normal development.

Besides, many women just want to show off their breastfeeding to the world, and they are offended that people find it to be "gross" or "offensive". That's (at least) partially, because of our culture's worship of babies and supposedly how "cute" they are.

A poor argument doesn't invalidate a good argument.

 

[Sammy-San]

Your feeling of disgust is entirely subjective and cultural.
As is whether someone feels disgust watching another person's eating.
Chucking in random stuff like sounds is ad-hoc.


A severe mental disability - probably not.
But you are are depriving the baby and the relationship with a part of what is designed to enable its proper normal development.



A poor argument doesn't invalidate a good argument.

That doesn't minimize the validity of my arguement or feelings.

Not looking at the mother's eyes when breastfeeding in public is going to stunt its normal development? Meh. Probably not.

How did I use a poor arguement?

 

[OGM]

Then let women walk around with a breast popping out of their shirt when they don't have a kid too, because otherwise it's discrimination and it's your problem that you think it's not decent. You place it on the woman whose breast wants some fresh air. Let's all walk around like the women from tribes in Africa.

That is actually legal here in New York.

 

[ebia]

That doesn't minimize the validity of my arguement or feelings. Not looking at the mother's eyes when breastfeeding in public is going to stunt its normal development? Meh. Probably not. How did I use a poor arguement?

Your feelings are valid, but they don't override the child's or the child's best interests.

 

[Sammy-San]

Your feelings are valid, but they don't override the child's or the child's best interests.

No child is going to grow up disabled or have a bad relationship with its mother, because when it was a baby, it didn't look its mother in the eyes when it was breastfed.

 

[ebia]

No child is going to grow up disabled or have a bad relationship with its mother, because when it was a baby, it didn't look its mother in the eyes when it was breastfed.

And you aren't going to be scared for life by catching a glimpse of someone's breast.

Covering up is infringing their right to comfortable feeding and a development norm.

 

[Hetta]

So many problems with so many people. I have to wonder where this issue starts arising. Is it just that so many Christian parents are raising their kids with absolute terror of the female body? I'm so sorry for these people brought up that way.

 

[Sammy-San]

And you aren't going to be scared for life by catching a glimpse of someone's breast.

Covering up is infringing their right to comfortable feeding and a development norm.

That's a fallacy. You repeat my arguement, but apply it in a different way, to refute my arguement.

 

[Hetta]

That's a fallacy. You repeat my arguement, but apply it in a different way, to refute my arguement.

That's not what a fallacy is.

 

[ebia]

So many problems with so many people. I have to wonder where this issue starts arising. Is it just that so many Christian parents are raising their kids with absolute terror of the female body? I'm so sorry for these people brought up that way.

It seems to be mostly America that has this terror. Breastfeeding doesn't raise the same degree of angst in Europe or Australia.

Perhaps some of the men in question would be happier moving to Saudi Arabia - I doubt its a danger there.

 

[seeingeyes]

Ideally we should all just accept breastfeeding as the norm. But in our societies, it is not norm to be confronted with breasts and so is offensiveness. Women who breastfeed and are proud of the fact tend to want to fulfil their God given right to feed and do not give a dam about the rest of us. This is what I find offensive that a woman would not even consider I might not want to see all her bits in public. At a restaurant especially it would be wrong without covering up. Many Western countries just do not do that sort of thing and breast feeding mothers should understand this instead of insisting that they are right to show in public. It is like an arrogance.

Confronted with breasts?!

lol

 

[Sammy-San]

It seems to be mostly America that has this terror. Breastfeeding doesn't raise the same degree of angst in Europe or Australia.

Perhaps some of the men in question would be happier moving to Saudi Arabia - I doubt its a danger there.

What percentage of the time that mothers spend with infants happens at restaurants or stores? If restaurants and stores have rules about women covering up while breastfeeding, it doesn't mean that women have to cover up everywhere they go, or at home.

All I'm saying is that a store or restaurant shouldn't have to risk getting sued or having to fire an employee, just because their employee or the restaurant owner told some women to cover up or breastfeed outside of the restaurant, or has a rule about it.

 

[Sammy-San]

It seems to be mostly America that has this terror. Breastfeeding doesn't raise the same degree of angst in Europe or Australia.

Perhaps some of the men in question would be happier moving to Saudi Arabia - I doubt its a danger there.

That comparison doesn't work. I do not believe that women should cover up their entire bodies (hair, face, hands, arms, etc), because a few creepy men would lust, or because a woman's face is "sinful". I do not agree with the way women are treated in Saudi arabia. Your arguement is a strawman.

 

[Hetta]

What percentage of the time that mothers spend with infants happens at restaurants or stores? If restaurants and stores have rules about women covering up while breastfeeding, it doesn't mean that women have to cover up everywhere they go, or at home. All I'm saying is that a store or restaurant shouldn't have to risk getting sued or having to fire an employee, just because their employee or the restaurant owner told some women to cover up or breastfeed outside of the restaurant, or has a rule about it.

It has been pointed out to you time after time that it's not illegal for women to breastfeed anywhere in the US. So at this point I have to assume you are trolling for a reaction. Which is really boring.

 

[ebia]

What percentage of the time that mothers spend with infants happens at restaurants or stores?

I've no idea. Personally I would object to being told to put a bag over my head however occasionally it might happen.

Why stop at those places and not other public places: libraries, museums, parks, churches, workplaces, ... ?

If restaurants and stores have rules about women covering up while breastfeeding, it doesn't mean that women have to cover up everywhere they go, or at home. All I'm saying is that a store or restaurant shouldn't have to risk getting sued or having to fire an employee, just because their employee or the restaurant owner told some women to cover up or breastfeed outside of the restaurant, or has a rule about it.

They should, just the same as if they told a disabled person to put a bag over their head because they are a messy eater, or asked a black person to eat out of sight of the nice, middle class, white people.

 

[Sammy-San]

It has been pointed out to you time after time that it's not illegal for women to breastfeed anywhere in the US. So at this point I have to assume you are trolling for a reaction. Which is really boring.

What does that have anything to do with my arguements?

I am not trolling for a reaction. I am expressing my opinions on a controversial issue.