Sabbath was made for man

[Sophrosyne]

Did not Jesus demonstrate that?

The Bible says he is Lord of the Sabbath and when the priests tried to charge him with breaking the Sabbath he proved himself of that.
In Jesus I do not need to slave over the Sabbath for he rules over it thus making it bow to his wishes. I therefore wish not to be bothered by keeping it.

 

[mercy1061]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
James chapter 2 verse 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

This claim will not exempt you from keeping the law or paying your taxes to the IRS. Is anyone really exempt from paying taxes to the IRS? Just because YOU THINK that no one is paying their taxes, and that every US citizen HATES paying taxes to the IRS, does not mean you are exempt from paying taxes to the IRS. Do you pay income or payroll taxes?

1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

This is my wish for you, that you would use the law properly, using the law impropely will not exempt you from obeying the WHOLE law. The pharisees sought to exempt themselves from G-d's law by twisting the law.

Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23

So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
Jesus also said the sabath was made for man not man for the sabath.

Back to your "lighting a fire" INSIDE THEIR TENTS example, let me give you another example, concerning BURNT offerings on the Sabbath that required lighting a fire OUTSIDE THEIR TENTS; have you ever been camping outside in the wilderness ? Please make sure you light your fire outside your tent.

Numbers 28:9-10

9 “‘On Shabbat offer two male lambs in their first year and without defect, with one gallon of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with olive oil, and its drink offering. 10 This is the burnt offering for every Shabbat, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.

 

[mmksparbud]

I have a hard time logically thinking that man must be a slave to the Sabbath when he should be master of it. Usually when something is "made" for you then it is a tool that you are master of but those who promote the Sabbath aren't considering that they are slaves to it when the Sabbath comes it controls their actions entirely they must adhere to its mastery.
Man wasn't made for the Sabbath, therefore the Sabbath isn't his master.

I have a hard time logically thinking that someone must be a "master" of the Sabbath. God never said anything about being a slave to Sabbath--
Sabbath was meant for just the opposite--to be delighted in, to keep us from being a slave to our work habits. To be master of the Sabbath seems like a weird thing to say--it is given to us--a gift--- gifts are to be enjoyed. We take mastery over the slavery of work, we rest our minds, our bodies and rest out souls in the love of our Creator on Sabbath. Sabbath is freeing ourselves to it, not being a slave to it. The Sabbath was made for man--not man for the Sabbath--it's self-explanatory.

 

[disciple1]

Galatians chapter 2 verse 21
New International Version
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

http://biblehub.com/nlt/galatians/2.htm

 

[from scratch]

This uncalled for idea of not even lighting your stove is not scriptural is it?
Now you have quoted the above about not lighting a fire. What did it take to light a fire? Is it the same as lighting a stove today? Did it say that a fire could not be burning? Did not Jesus come and clarify what keeping the Sabbath was all about? Was it necessary to light a fire? If I don't used the things mentioned would that mean that other person would not work on the day?

Is lighting a fire, lighting a fire?

 

[Sophrosyne]

I have a hard time logically thinking that someone must be a "master" of the Sabbath. God never said anything about being a slave to Sabbath--
Sabbath was meant for just the opposite--to be delighted in, to keep us from being a slave to our work habits. To be master of the Sabbath seems like a weird thing to say--it is given to us--a gift--- gifts are to be enjoyed. We take mastery over the slavery of work, we rest our minds, our bodies and rest out souls in the love of our Creator on Sabbath. Sabbath is freeing ourselves to it, not being a slave to it. The Sabbath was made for man--not man for the Sabbath--it's self-explanatory.

Lord = Master.... it is that simple. If you aren't a Master/Lord then chances are you could be a slave instead.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

This uncalled for idea of not even lighting your stove is not scriptural is it?
Now you have quoted the above about not lighting a fire. What did it take to light a fire? Is it the same as lighting a stove today? Did it say that a fire could not be burning?
Did not Jesus come and clarify what keeping the Sabbath was all about? Was it necessary to light a fire? If I don't used the things mentioned would that mean that other person would not work on the day?
​

Indeed!

Back to your lighting a fire example, let me give you another example, concerning BURNT offerings on the Sabbath that required lighting a fire;

Numbers 28:10
This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the continual burnt offering and its drink offering.

So we are allowed to fire up a barbecue pit on the Sabbath?

Here in God's country of Texas, we do the "burnt offerings" up right, whether it be on the Sabbath or Sunday after church or any day of the week.......



.............. ..... ...

...........

Heb 10:
8.saying above -- 'Sacrifice, and offering, and burnt-offerings, and concerning sin-offering Thou didst not will, nor delight in,' --
which according to the law are offered --
9 then He said, 'behold! I come to do, O God, Thy will;'
He doth take away the firstthat the second He may establish;



.

 

[GoingByzantine]

Hebrews 12:28-29 tells us God is a consuming fire, and I'm thinking so long as we give ourselves to the Lord, then it does not matter if we barbecue on Sunday. For in some ways we light our own spiritual fire, consumed by God, when we worship him on the Sabbath or any day for that matter.

Also on the topic of food:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7829930/

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by mmksparbud

I have a hard time logically thinking that someone must be a "master" of the Sabbath. God never said anything about being a slave to Sabbath--
​

Lord = Master.... it is that simple. If you aren't a Master/Lord then chances are you could be a slave instead.

Good post.
One could also use "owner"......

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
JESUS AND THE APOSTLES VS THE OC JUDEAN RULERS

2 Peter 2:1
And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among ye there shall be false teachers,
who shall bring in besides destructive sects,
And the Owner/Master/despothn <1203> who bought/purchased them denying/disowning
bringing to themselves quick destruction
[Jeremiah 14:14,15/Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4/Revelation 6:10]

Jde 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Master/Owner G1203, God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Reve 6:10
And they cry out to a great voice saying "how long, the Owner/Master/despothV <1203> the Holy and True,
till Thou are judging and avenging the blood of us from out of those dwelling upon the land?"

1203. despotes des-pot'-ace perhaps from 1210 and posis (a husband); an absolute ruler ("despot"):--Lord, master.


,

 

[mmksparbud]

Lord = Master.... it is that simple. If you aren't a Master/Lord then chances are you could be a slave instead.

OK----maybe that's a Y chromosome state of mind thing--Christ is Lord/Master of the Sabbath--we're just supposed to enjoy it--must be a hard concept for the macho, maybe. I am neither Master nor slave to my husband--I just love him--it's that simple--but maybe that's too difficult an example to grasp.

 

[Sophrosyne]

OK----maybe that's a Y chromosome state of mind thing--Christ is Lord/Master of the Sabbath--we're just supposed to enjoy it--must be a hard concept for the macho, maybe. I am neither Master nor slave to my husband--I just love him--it's that simple--but maybe that's too difficult an example to grasp.

If your husband and you are unable to NOT keep the Sabbath then you are SLAVES to it, it is that simple. I am not a slave to the Law I don't have to keep the Sabbath because the Lord of the Sabbath doesn't require me to do so. One doesn't marry the Law one is a slave to is, or in bondage to it.

One could call the Law a yoke too

10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

You do know what a yoke is? It is to put animals to work, like slavery.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If your husband and you are unable to NOT keep the Sabbath then you are SLAVES to it, it is that simple. I am not a slave to the Law I don't have to keep the Sabbath because the Lord of the Sabbath doesn't require me to do so. One doesn't marry the Law one is a slave to is, or in bondage to it.

One could call the Law a yoke too

10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

You do know what a yoke is? It is to put animals to work, like slavery.

Isn't that what the one riding a black horse in Revelation 6 is holding?

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G2218 matches the Greek &#950;&#965;&#947;&#8057;&#962; (zygos), which occurs 6 times in 6 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Acts 15:10 Now then why are ye trying YAHWEH, to put a yoke/zugon <2218> upon the neck of the Disciples, which neither the fathers of us neither are we able to bear?
[Deut 28:48/Reve 6:5]

Reve 6:5
And when it up opens up the third seal, I hear the third living one saying "Be coming'! And I saw and Behold!
A black horse, and the one sitting on him having a yoke/zugon <2218> in the hand of him..
[Deut 28:18/Acts 15:10]

Seems to go perfect with Deut 28:48

Deuteronomy 28:48
Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which YHWH shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things:
and He shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[Acts 15:10/Reve 6:5]

 

[mmksparbud]

If your husband and you are unable to NOT keep the Sabbath then you are SLAVES to it, it is that simple. I am not a slave to the Law I don't have to keep the Sabbath because the Lord of the Sabbath doesn't require me to do so. One doesn't marry the Law one is a slave to is, or in bondage to it.

One could call the Law a yoke too

10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

You do know what a yoke is? It is to put animals to work, like slavery.

Have a hard time relaxing, do you??---A yoke--yes--that's why God made the Sabbath for us, to caste of the yoke of hard work and relax and enjoy His company unfettered. Quite a treat really, to bad you can not enjoy it. And my husband is not a believer--but he is very sweet to try and make my sabbath a happy one and tries to not "do" too much on sabbath. He's a sort of a Christian, not any denomination, has never gone to any church much. But God has been working on him.

By your reasoning, I suppose if you are unable to take the name of the Lord in vain, you are a slave to that commandment.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Have a hard time relaxing, do you??---A yoke--yes--that's why God made the Sabbath for us, to caste of the yoke of hard work and relax and enjoy His company unfettered. Quite a treat really, to bad you can not enjoy it. And my husband is not a believer--but he is very sweet to try and make my sabbath a happy one and tries to not "do" too much on sabbath. He's a sort of a Christian, not any denomination, has never gone to any church much. But God has been working on him.

By your reasoning, I suppose if you are unable to take the name of the Lord in vain, you are a slave to that commandment.

Actually I don't have a problem relaxing for the most part as I don't have any task set upon me on Fridays to prepare for a Sabbath to keep. I can relax on Friday and Relax on Saturday or work not caring either way for fear I will be in sin doing so. I find it harder to relax when you are worried about sinning myself.
I'm not the one here trying to get people to work twice as much on Fridays at all.

 

[mmksparbud]

Actually I don't have a problem relaxing for the most part as I don't have any task set upon me on Fridays to prepare for a Sabbath to keep. I can relax on Friday and Relax on Saturday or work not caring either way for fear I will be in sin doing so. I find it harder to relax when you are worried about sinning myself.
I'm not the one here trying to get people to work twice as much on Fridays at all.

Really??--I suppose if you got company coming you leave your house a mess? We have company coming--it's a joyful thing!--Soooo---take His name in vain much lately--just to prove your mastery of course?

 

[from scratch]

Actually I don't have a problem relaxing for the most part as I don't have any task set upon me on Fridays to prepare for a Sabbath to keep. I can relax on Friday and Relax on Saturday or work not caring either way for fear I will be in sin doing so. I find it harder to relax when you are worried about sinning myself.
I'm not the one here trying to get people to work twice as much on Fridays at all.

Since I'm retired, I get to rest every day all day.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Have a hard time relaxing, do you??---A yoke--yes--that's why God made the Sabbath for us, to caste of the yoke of hard work and relax and enjoy His company unfettered. Quite a treat really, to bad you can not enjoy it.
And my husband is not a believer--but he is very sweet to try and make my sabbath a happy one and tries to not "do" too much on sabbath. He's a sort of a Christian, not any denomination, has never gone to any church much. But God has been working on him.

By your reasoning, I suppose if you are unable to take the name of the Lord in vain, you are a slave to that commandment.

Did you read my post concerning "yoke" here?
How do the Jews view that one riding a black horse with a Yoke in his hand?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7823681/#post65900367

Reve 6:5
And when it up opens up the third seal, I hear the third living one saying "Be coming'! And I saw and Behold!
A black horse, and the one sitting on him having a yoke/zugon <2218> in the hand of him..
[Deut 28:18/Acts 15:10]


.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Really??--I suppose if you got company coming you leave your house a mess? We have company coming--it's a joyful thing!--Soooo---take His name in vain much lately--just to prove your mastery of course?

I don't mess my part of the house up to begin with. I also don't have to worry about being an accomplice to breaking the Sabbath by having people visit me on that day who drive cars through traffic lights that require electric company employees and policemen and ambulance services to be on call on Saturday.
As for taking his name in vain, I fail to see why you would infer that of anyone here on CF.... I don't see people wanting to denigrate God regardless of a commandment to not do so, just as we don't see people who are truly trying to love their neighbor going around insulting their neighbor in that effect.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Since I'm retired, I get to rest every day all day.

Just don't retire to a deserted island and lose track of time or you will never know what day is the Sabbath

 

[mmksparbud]

Did you read my post concerning "yoke" here?
How do the Jews view that one riding a black horse with a Yoke in his hand?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7823681/#post65900367

Reve 6:5
And when it up opens up the third seal, I hear the third living one saying "Be coming'! And I saw and Behold!
A black horse, and the one sitting on him having a yoke/zugon <2218> in the hand of him..
[Deut 28:18/Acts 15:10]


.

Yes--I did!!

Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I'll take His yoke any day!!