Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[Elder 111]

Based on the text and emphasis you provided no honest person can provide the answer you seek.

No honest answer would violate God word you mean.

 

[Dunbar]

You still did not address the text! I did not asked for your opinion!
By the way How does your remarks compare with God's words. Rev.22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
You notice anything about love only?

I did answer it, you just did not like the answer. God does not write words into our heart - how childish. He gives us his Spirit which is a reflection of his character of Love. And as I already stated Love and Faith are the only new covenant commandments. Read John he talks about commandment keeping more than any of the disciples and always connects it with love.

I do not like debating people like you because you will always see 'law' in the text even when it is clearly not there. The gospel is spiritual and is received by faith not law. Your performance based religion is worthless and filthy rags to a holy and just God. Faith is our connection to God and love is what is written in the heart. Someone who has this will be living in peace and harmony with God and man but will be hated by legalists.

 

[Elder 111]

I did answer it, you just did not like the answer. God does not write words into our heart - how childish. He gives us his Spirit which is a reflection of his character of Love. And as I already stated Love and Faith are the only new covenant commandments. Read John he talks about commandment keeping more than any of the disciples and always connects it with love.

I do not like debating people like you because you will always see 'law' in the text even when it is clearly not there. The gospel is spiritual and is received by faith not law. Your performance based religion is worthless and filthy rags to a holy and just God. Faith is our connection to God and love is what is written in the heart. Someone who has this will be living in peace and harmony with God and man but will be hated by legalists.

Hold it a minute! Do you mean to say we have nothing to do but believe? That the Holy Spirit come and dwell in us and we don't have to worry if we lie or steal?

 

[from scratch]

No honest answer would violate God word you mean.

No. I plainly reject your interpretation of my statement. I mean exactly what I said on face value.

 

[from scratch]

I did answer it, you just did not like the answer. God does not write words into our heart - how childish. He gives us his Spirit which is a reflection of his character of Love. And as I already stated Love and Faith are the only new covenant commandments. Read John he talks about commandment keeping more than any of the disciples and always connects it with love.

I do not like debating people like you because you will always see 'law' in the text even when it is clearly not there. The gospel is spiritual and is received by faith not law. Your performance based religion is worthless and filthy rags to a holy and just God. Faith is our connection to God and love is what is written in the heart. Someone who has this will be living in peace and harmony with God and man but will be hated by legalists.

While John uses the word commandment(s) freely he's not talking about the law. John 1:17 and 15:10 are great examples.

 

[from scratch]

Hold it a minute! Do you mean to say we have nothing to do but believe? That the Holy Spirit come and dwell in us and we don't have to worry if we lie or steal?

If he doesn't I'll do so. As a born again Christian my nature has changed. I no longer desire/inclination to steal, murder, lie or commit adultery or fornicate.

 

[Elder 111]

While John uses the word commandment(s) freely he's not talking about the law. John 1:17 and 15:10 are great examples.

So what is he talking about?

 

[Elder 111]

If he doesn't I'll do so. As a born again Christian my nature has changed. I no longer desire/inclination to steal, murder, lie or commit adultery or fornicate.

So you keep the Ten Commandments!

 

[VictorC]

So you keep the Ten Commandments!

What makes you think other members are going to violate the commandments of God, displease Him with burnt offerings He doesn't ask of us, and leave Christ's redemption to revert to the schoolmaster old covenant from Mount Sinai? The same covenant you as a Gentile in Barbados never had at any time?

It is clear that you throw out asinine comments unrelated to posts, and can't respond to content at all.

 

[Honest Al]

Plenty added commentary in your quoted version of 3:31.

Hi Scratch,

I'm not sure what you meant by that?

 

[from scratch]

So what is he talking about?

Whatever do you mean? Did you read the verses? John clearly says what Moses and Jesus say aren't remotely the same thing.

 

[from scratch]

So you keep the Ten Commandments!

Are you still trying to get me to say I keep the law? Shame on you. Remember there's no such thing as obedience by coincidence. Not stealing isn't evidence of obedience to the Ten Commandments by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[from scratch]

Hi Scratch,

I'm not sure what you meant by that?

The NLT isn't a translation. Its a paraphrased presentation of the Bible and theology mixed together. It mixes garbage in with the truth making both garbage.

 

[Cribstyl]

"If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill all the requirements of God's law. For the commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." {Romans 13:8-10 NIV, NLT}

It seems pretty clear in that passage that when Paul says, "love is the fulfilling of the law," that he's not saying love takes the place of keeping the law, but that love will lead us, or enable us, to keep the law.

Actually Honest Al, Paul is saying that; "Christ's 1 commandent to love your neighbor, satisfies all 613commandments contained in the law."
The text is saying....."If you love your neighbor (1commandment)...." It's not saying; "If you keep the 10 or 613 commandents you're showing that you love your neighbor." Read it again Al, you're a smart guy.

He makes pretty much the same point in chapter 3, only there it's faith that's emphasized as enabling us to keep the law:

"Well then, if we emphasize faith, does that mean we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law." {Romans 3:31 NLT}

Again AL, Rom 3:31 reaches a reenforced conclussion that faith apart from the law does not mean the law is violated. The context proves that the opposite of your comments are true.
Rom 3:21 (NLT)But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Mosesfn and the prophets long ago.

Rom3:28(NLT)So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

Somehow Honest Al, your comments seem contrary to the scriptures that you post.

 

[Elder 111]

What makes you think other members are going to violate the commandments of God, displease Him with burnt offerings He doesn't ask of us, and leave Christ's redemption to revert to the schoolmaster old covenant from Mount Sinai? The same covenant you as a Gentile in Barbados never had at any time?

It is clear that you throw out asinine comments unrelated to posts, and can't respond to content at all.

I never saw anything about burnt offerings in the Ten Commandments!

 

[Elder 111]

Whatever do you mean? Did you read the verses? John clearly says what Moses and Jesus say aren't remotely the same thing.

So what are the commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

Are you still trying to get me to say I keep the law? Shame on you. Remember there's no such thing as obedience by coincidence. Not stealing isn't evidence of obedience to the Ten Commandments by any stretch of the imagination.

It is just that you know that you have to/need to do the same things that the commandments require.
So while not admitting you keep the commandments you do the things of the commandments! But the one that do the things of the commandments and says you should is a legalist?

 

[Honest Al]

The NLT isn't a translation. Its a paraphrased presentation of the Bible and theology mixed together. It mixes garbage in with the truth making both garbage.

Hi again Scratch,
What do you think of this translation:

"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law." {Romans 3:31 NASB}

If you don't feel that translation is saying what Paul intended to say, would you share one that you believe does. Thanks

 

[Honest Al]

Actually Honest Al, Paul is saying that; "Christ's 1 commandent to love your neighbor, satisfies all 613commandments contained in the law."
The text is saying....."If you love your neighbor (1commandment)...." It's not saying; "If you keep the 10 or 613 commandents you're showing that you love your neighbor." Read it again Al, you're a smart guy.


Again AL, Rom 3:31 reaches a reenforced conclussion that faith apart from the law does not mean the law is violated. The context proves that the opposite of your comments are true.
Rom 3:21 (NLT)But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Mosesfn and the prophets long ago.

Rom3:28(NLT)So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

Somehow Honest Al, your comments seem contrary to the scriptures that you post.

Hi Cribstyl,
I'm not quite sure where we agree with each other, and where we don't.
I definitely agree with you when you say, "It's not saying, if you keep the 10 or 613 commandments you're showing that you love your neighbor." I also agree with you, and Paul, that we're made right with God by faith, not by keeping the law.
Let me share 2 more verses to show you what I believe (and what I believe the Bible teaches):

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abolish them." {Matthew 5:17 NIV}

"It makes no difference whether or not a man is circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments." {1 Corinthians 7:19 NLT}

Based on numerous other passages, such as Romans 13:8-10, I have no doubt that the "commandments" Paul is referring to in that last passage are the 10 commandments... But once again, it's God's love in my heart that enables me to keep them.

God Bless

 

[Honest Al]

...the one that do the things of the commandments and says you should is a legalist?

But Jesus says you should (and I should):

"If you love me, keep my commandments." {John 14:15}

I believe the question in the New Testament was never, "Do we need to keep the 10 commandments," But "How can we keep them," through our own strength, or through the power and love of God in our hearts.