Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[mercy1061]

Yes they do.

'Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.' Gal. 3:24,25

'But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses...Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.' Acts 15:5,10,11

We are no longer under it for it was a yoke of bondage.

What about Luke 18:18-20?

 

[mercy1061]

I think they have no concept of the spirit at all, scriptures equating it are always connected to the Law when one cannot see how in spirit you can ever keep the Sabbath Day to begin with it takes the flesh to participate one can keep a "sabbath rest" in the spirit but the spirit doesn't work akin to the Sabbath Day understanding so it really isn't participating in the rest part of it at all.

Do you want eternal life? Luke 18:18-20

 

[mercy1061]

Have you read LK 24:44 which allows for Heb 7:12? Evidently heaven and earth have passed away because the law changed. If this isn't true then your argument fails or Jesus is a sinner and can't be the promised Messiah.

If you want eternal life, you should read Luke 18:18-20.

 

[mercy1061]

Most all of us are talking about the law of God as He gave it to Israel and not the law of nature. Would you kindly quit trying to derail the subject?

Luke 18:18-20

 

[Elder 111]

Legalists do not even have a gospel. There is no good news in law keeping.

Romans 7 says you are wrong.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[Elder 111]

Paul wrote plainly to the Jewish believers in Rome that they're delivered from the Ten Commandments. He also instructed the Gentiles in Galatia to cast off the Ten Commandments. These are plain statements that you can't reconcile your beliefs with.

Moses wrote plainly that the Ten Commandments was the covenant from Mount Sinai. We refer to it as the Mosaic Covenant or the old covenant commonly. On the other hand, you show that you don't know what the Ten Commandments was each time you refer to it by the plural verb 'are'; it is a singular covenant, and even Solomon refers to the tablets of stone as the covenant God handed to Moses. The Biblical authors knew what the Ten Commandments was, and you've already shown that you rejected the epistles to the Romans and the Galatians in your previous posts.

Telling me that you're confused and can't make sense of the Bible just reenforces the points that I've made to you. And still you have done nothing to rectify your contradiction with yourself, as well as Scripture. I promise to remember this each time you make the absurd claim that the Ten Commandments was a product of man, and not God. I further promise to remember how you dismiss God's redemption as "an unholy and unbiblical gospel".

OK I have it all wrong.
Is this it or not? Do you agree with the following or not? Yes or no will do!
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This keeps in bonds we should get rid of it. At least one other god should be allowed.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Abolished! Did you not read where God said it was OK to make idols?Whats wrong with bowing down to them any way? Keeping us restricted all the time in bonds.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Why not? Is He Holy or something?

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. A whole day? The best day of the week to make some money and have some fund? You kidding! now you can agree that this is bonds. It is not that He keeps we alive, or created me or even died for me. Why should I keep a day that He sanctified and made holy? He will take the time I give Him or he is unfair keeping me in Bonds.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. You see the bonds? I got to look after them when they get old too? Restricting me! I did not ask to be here.

13 Thou shalt not kill. Why? Give one good reason why God would want this old covenant command in this new Christian age of freedom?

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. Is this not bonds again? Why can't you have a little affair?

15 Thou shalt not steal. I like it why can I have His stuff?

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. You see that again. If I lie I can get the Job and the girl. Restrictions restriction, bonds and more bonds.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. Why not? If I want it I want it.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

You don't understand! Romans 7:
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 and the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.​

Then how does it kill? That doesn't sound like life to me.

It shows that you do not understand that which Paul has said about the law. Yet want everone to believe that you do.

 

[VictorC]

Paul wrote plainly to the Jewish believers in Rome that they're delivered from the Ten Commandments. He also instructed the Gentiles in Galatia to cast off the Ten Commandments. These are plain statements that you can't reconcile your beliefs with.

Moses wrote plainly that the Ten Commandments was the covenant from Mount Sinai. We refer to it as the Mosaic Covenant or the old covenant commonly. On the other hand, you show that you don't know what the Ten Commandments was each time you refer to it by the plural verb 'are'; it is a singular covenant, and even Solomon refers to the tablets of stone as the covenant God handed to Moses. The Biblical authors knew what the Ten Commandments was, and you've already shown that you rejected the epistles to the Romans and the Galatians in your previous posts.

Telling me that you're confused and can't make sense of the Bible just reenforces the points that I've made to you. And still you have done nothing to rectify your contradiction with yourself, as well as Scripture. I promise to remember this each time you make the absurd claim that the Ten Commandments was a product of man, and not God. I further promise to remember how you dismiss God's redemption as "an unholy and unbiblical gospel".

OK I have it all wrong.

Telling me that you have it all wrong doesn't explain why you immediately disobey God's instruction to cast off the bondwoman and run back to it again. Perhaps the answer lies in the flippant comments you added to the bondwoman:

So...
You rejected Romans 7 where Paul explains that being bound to the Law and Jesus concurrently is akin to adultery, we have been delivered from the Ten Commandments that held the recipients in the past tense, and you aren't aware of the larger context that includes the Law working wrath and excluding those bound by it from eternal life.

Abolished! Did you not read where God said it was OK to make idols? Whats wrong with bowing down to them any way? Keeping us restricted all the time in bonds.
Thou shalt not commit adultery. Is this not bonds again? Why can't you have a little affair?

You run to the bondwoman for its prohibition against adultery among humans. But then you excuse idolatry and adultery with the Living God.
You have it all wrong, all right.

Idolatry to the created thing was the very reason the bronze serpent Moses erected was taken down, and this lesson was lost on you when you make the Mosaic covenant an idol to grovel before.
And...
Reminding you again of how Romans 3:8 condemns those who resort to flippant remarks identical to yours has already shown a long track record of failure with you.

 

[from scratch]

What about Luke 18:18-20?

Same event is in Mat 19. Are you attempting to say that salvation can be had without Jesus by the law? According to John 10 that would make Jesus a lair.

 

[from scratch]

Do you want eternal life? Luke 18:18-20

Yes and the New Testament shows over and over eternal life doesn't come by the law or the keeping of the law including the context you take your proof text from.

 

[from scratch]

Luke 18:18-20

My guess is you don't like life and accept what Jesus did for you. Most unfortunate. The law will find you wanting and unqualified come judgment day. Jesus said your righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees. How did they attain their righteousness Jesus called wickedness? Why by the law of course. How then can one attain the righteousness that exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees? Romans says its the free gift of God. One can't earn a free gift. Anything earned is obligation and the wages is death. This righteousness God requires comes only from God by declaration.

 

[from scratch]

Romans 7 says you are wrong.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Doesn't relate to the question and statement quoted. The law isn't the Gospel.

 

[from scratch]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

You don't understand! Romans 7:
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 and the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.​

It shows that you do not understand that which Paul has said about the law. Yet want everone to believe that you do.

Then explain to your ignorance (me) just how this life giving law kills. Seems you and some others claim one can have eternal life by keeping the law. You claim to do this while flagrantly and willfully violating the main bone of contention every week.

 

[Dunbar]

Romans 7 says you are wrong.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Yes, the law is holy but you are a sinner and can never keep it. If you even think for one moment you can keep it you have graduated to the highest form of sin which is legalism. Legalists are so disgusting and blind that they were the #1 enemies of Jesus Christ. The liars and thieves and adulterers gladly accepted the message of Christ and received his righteousness by faith not by law.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Do you want eternal life? Luke 18:18-20

Nice of you to cut off the total passage midstream (again) so that you don't have to do ALL that Jesus commanded here. I bet you haven't sold everything you have and are not following Jesus around because... in a sense you can't do this. This is a specific command to a specific person not made to everyone otherwise we would all be doomed as Jesus isn't here in his physical body for us to follow around.



21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” 22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me

 

[Elder 111]

Telling me that you have it all wrong doesn't explain why you immediately disobey God's instruction to cast off the bondwoman and run back to it again. Perhaps the answer lies in the flippant comments you added to the bondwoman:

You run to the bondwoman for its prohibition against adultery among humans. But then you excuse idolatry and adultery with the Living God.
You have it all wrong, all right.

Idolatry to the created thing was the very reason the bronze serpent Moses erected was taken down, and this lesson was lost on you when you make the Mosaic covenant an idol to grovel before.
And...
Reminding you again of how Romans 3:8 condemns those who resort to flippant remarks identical to yours has already shown a long track record of failure with you.

Excuse me! What happen to my question? Please explain you non response!

 

[Elder 111]

Then explain to your ignorance (me) just how this life giving law kills. Seems you and some others claim one can have eternal life by keeping the law. You claim to do this while flagrantly and willfully violating the main bone of contention every week.

One can not violate these and get to heaven! True or faults?
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
As human beings we often/very often break these which has the penalty of death. It is that simply.
So by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit we keep the law which is life but in the flesh we sin and have death as the result.


24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Elder 111]

Yes, the law is holy but you are a sinner and can never keep it. If you even think for one moment you can keep it you have graduated to the highest form of sin which is legalism. Legalists are so disgusting and blind that they were the #1 enemies of Jesus Christ. The liars and thieves and adulterers gladly accepted the message of Christ and received his righteousness by faith not by law.

So the liars, thieves and adulterers continued to do the same acts in the presents of Christ?

 

[Sophrosyne]

One can not violate these and get to heaven! True or faults?
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
As human beings we often/very often break these which has the penalty of death. It is that simply.
So by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit we keep the law which is life but in the flesh we sin and have death as the result.


24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

False, absolutely false one CAN violate the Law and get to heaven otherwise heaven is all but empty forever and you, yourself are banned from being there.

 

[VictorC]

Excuse me! What happen to my question? Please explain you non response!

You cannot expect others to believe you haven't seen my response.

Paul wrote plainly to the Jewish believers in Rome that they're delivered from the Ten Commandments. He also instructed the Gentiles in Galatia to cast off the Ten Commandments. These are plain statements that you can't reconcile your beliefs with.

Moses wrote plainly that the Ten Commandments was the covenant from Mount Sinai. We refer to it as the Mosaic Covenant or the old covenant commonly. On the other hand, you show that you don't know what the Ten Commandments was each time you refer to it by the plural verb 'are'; it is a singular covenant, and even Solomon refers to the tablets of stone as the covenant God handed to Moses. The Biblical authors knew what the Ten Commandments was, and you've already shown that you rejected the epistles to the Romans and the Galatians in your previous posts.

Telling me that you're confused and can't make sense of the Bible just reenforces the points that I've made to you. And still you have done nothing to rectify your contradiction with yourself, as well as Scripture. I promise to remember this each time you make the absurd claim that the Ten Commandments was a product of man, and not God. I further promise to remember how you dismiss God's redemption as "an unholy and unbiblical gospel".

OK I have it all wrong.

Telling me that you have it all wrong doesn't explain why you immediately disobey God's instruction to cast off the bondwoman and run back to it again. Perhaps the answer lies in the flippant comments you added to the bondwoman:

So...
You rejected Romans 7 where Paul explains that being bound to the Law and Jesus concurrently is akin to adultery, we have been delivered from the Ten Commandments that held the recipients in the past tense, and you aren't aware of the larger context that includes the Law working wrath and excluding those bound by it from eternal life.

Abolished! Did you not read where God said it was OK to make idols? Whats wrong with bowing down to them any way? Keeping us restricted all the time in bonds.
Thou shalt not commit adultery. Is this not bonds again? Why can't you have a little affair?

You run to the bondwoman for its prohibition against adultery among humans. But then you excuse idolatry and adultery with the Living God.
You have it all wrong, all right.

Idolatry to the created thing was the very reason the bronze serpent Moses erected was taken down, and this lesson was lost on you when you make the Mosaic covenant an idol to grovel before.
And...
Reminding you again of how Romans 3:8 condemns those who resort to flippant remarks identical to yours has already shown a long track record of failure with you.