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It's true that there was no command for Sabbath keeping in Genesis, but neither is there a command about taking another man's wife, or lying, or killing, or stealing.

That is absolutely false. The 7 Noahide Commandments prohibit all of those things and there is a large body of Sanhedrin interpretative case law that interprets the Noahide commandments to be virtually no different in impact than the analogous Decalogue prohibitions. And the Mishnah Torah plainly teaches that Adam was given 6 of the 7 Noahide Commandments that also prohibited all of the four acts that you mentioned. I imagine that you are going to argue that neither the Adamic or Noahide Commandments are laid out with much specificity in the Book of Genesis, and you would be correct. However, there is a large body of Sanhedrin interpretive caselaw that gave them the needed specificity. Here is what Ellen White deliberately withheld from Seventh Day Adventists, while she was plagiarizing from Edersheim to use in Patriarchs and Prophets:

"Perhaps we ought also to notice in this connection that, whatever may have been the common practice before, now for the first time the use of animal food was expressly permitted, with the exception of the blood, and that probably for the reason afterwards mentioned in the case of sacrifices, that the blood was the seat of life. (Leviticus 17:11, 14) Another and most important change is marked by the solemn prohibition of murder, with this addition, that "whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed." Such crimes were no longer to be avenged directly by God Himself, but He delegated His authority to man. (Romans 8:1, 2) As Luther rightly says, "In these words the civil magistracy is instituted, and the Divine right of bearing the sword." For when it is added, as a reason why murder should be punished with death, that God made man in His own image, it seems to convey that vengeance might not be taken by any one at his own will, but that this belonged to those who on earth represented the authority of God, or were His delegates; whence also they are called in Psalm 82:6, "gods," or rather "Elohim."* And, as Luther rightly argues, "If God concedes to man the power over life and death, assuredly this carries with it authority over that which is less than life, such as goods, family, wife, children, servants, and land." Thus the words spoken by the Lord to Noah contain the warrant and authority of those who are appointed rulers and judges over us. In later times the Jews have been wont to speak of what they called the seven Noachic commandments, which, according to them, were binding upon all Gentile proselytes. These were a prohibition (1) of idolatry, (2) of blasphemy, (3) of murder,
(4) of incest, (5) of robbery and theft, (6) of eating blood and strangled animals, and (7) an injunction of obedience to magistrates.


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About 2000 years of earth history is covered in 6 chapters in Genesis. From creation the bible goes to the fall of man and then leads up to the flood. So then to say that because nothing is mentioned in the account in Genesis about God actually telling someone to keep the sabbath, that it was never done is not a strong argument to make because clearly there is a whole lot the bible left out.

Only if you willfully overlook both the Adamic and Noahide commandments, as well as the later covenants for Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. And the later Sanhedrin caselaw that plainly bars Gentiles from keeping the Sabbath, since they already had a very long history of being bound by the Noahide Mitzvot. Here's what the Mishnah Torah (Oral Torah) says about the covenants:

9.1 Adam, the first man, was commanded with six commandments: 1) idolatry, 2) “blessing” (euphemistically) the Name (of G-d), 3) murder, 4) illicit sexual relations, 5) thievery and, 6) establishing a system of justice.

9.2 Even though all of these have been received as a Tradition from Moses our Teacher and we can understand the rationale for them, nevertheless, from (verses in) the Torah (we learn that) it was these that they were commanded. A seventh commandment forbidding the eating of a limb torn from a live animal was added for Noah, as it says, “Even flesh, life is in the blood, do not eat of it” (Genesis 9:4).

9.3 These commandments were universally applicable - until Abraham. With Abraham, circumcision was also commanded and he prayed Shacharis (the Morning Prayer). Isaac separated out a tithe and added another prayer in the afternoon and, with Jacob, the prohibition against eating the sciatic nerve was
added, as was the Maariv (Evening) Prayer. In Egypt, Amram was commanded with other precepts and, with Moses our Teacher, the Torah was completed.

http://halakhah.com/rst/kingsandwars.pdf



I think we can agree on the fact that God blessed the Seventh day and made it holy
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And Hebrew Scholars have proved quite dramatically that the wording of the 7th day of creation is dramatically different than the first six days. The 7th "day" is clearly never-ending:

Here's how Hebrew Linguists deal with the question of whether the Sabbath is a creation ordinance:

The narrative of the seventh day states:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God … rested … from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy…(Gen. 2:1-3)

Young-Earth View

Young-earth creationists believe the seventh day of God’s rest was a 24-hour period. Based on the statement in Exodus 20:11 (ESV), “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day,” they maintain the creation “week” was a period of seven 24-hour days.

Old-Earth View

Old-earth creationists contend the seventh day is an ongoing period. Although God continues His providential work of preserving and governing His creation, He is at rest in the sense that He is no longer creating. Because the seventh day is a period of indeterminate length, they argue this is evidence the other creation days are not 24-hour periods.

Exegetical Support

The seventh day lacks the concluding “evening/morning” refrain found in the narratives of the other creation days. This indicates God’s Sabbath rest is ongoing. Since God’s Sabbath rest is unending, the seventh day must be unending. The New Testament confirms the seventh day of God’s rest is an ongoing reality. For example in Hebrews, God invites us, present tense, to join Him in His Sabbath rest:

For we who have believed enter that rest, as he said, ‘As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest,’ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’ And again in this passage he said, ‘They shall not enter my rest.' (Hebrews 4:3-5, ESV).

The English translation of Exodus 20:11, “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and earth...” makes it sound as though God created everything within the confines of six calendar-days. However, the preposition “in” does not appear in the original Hebrew. Rather, the verse is more correctly translated, “For six yôms the LORD made...” The addition of “in” originated with the King James Version translation and “played a significant role in the advocacy of the creation days being completed within 144 hours (6x24).”When the verse is correctly translated, it is clear the creation “days” could have been long time periods.

The reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 seems to refer to the pattern of “days,” not their duration. The emphasis is on the pattern of work and rest, a ratio of six to one, not on the length of the creation days. Exodus 20:9 addresses the work-week of humans (seven 24-hour days); Exodus 20:11 addresses the work-week of God (seven time periods). Thus, as Hebrew scholar Gleason Archer notes: “By no means does this [Exodus 20:9-11] demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six ‘days,’ any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days.” In Leviticus 25:4 the pattern of one out of seven is duplicated with six years of planting the land and one year of “Sabbath rest for the land.” This further demonstrates the analogy of our Sabbath to God’s Sabbath does not demand that the creation “week” consisted of seven 24-hour days."

The Six Days of Creation: A Closer Look at Scripture


Plus, it was placed in the 10 commandments which is the moral law. You want to tell God he put it in with the wrong set of commandments?
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"THE" Moral Law? You want to reword that to include at least 300 other moral laws in the Mosaic legal scheme? The Ten Commandments are EMPHATICALLY not the only "moral law" in the Mosaic Law. Far far from it. Here is a short and sweet analysis of how the Ten Commandments fits in with the rest of the 613 Old Testament Commandments:

"But there is an additional aspect of this controversy that is of concern from a Jewish perspective. In Talmudic times, the rabbis consciously made a decision to exclude daily recitation of the Aseret ha-Dibrot from the liturgy because excessive emphasis on these statements might lead people to mistakenly believe that these were the only mitzvot or the most important mitzvot, and neglect the full 613 (Talmud Berakhot 12a). By posting these words prominently and referring to them as "The Ten Commandments," (as if there weren't any others, which is what many people think) schools and public buildings may be teaching a message that Judaism specifically and consciously rejected."

Judaism 101: Aseret ha-Dibrot: The "Ten Commandments"





So you are saying that the Sabbath was not for all men at creation, and it was only for the Jews.

You know what Adventists always leave off of their nice Powerpoint presentations when they are explaining that the Ten Commandments were made at creation for all humankind? What the Jews believed is the real FIRST Commandment:

"1) I am the Lord thy god, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/command.html

Now why on earth do you think Adventists would deliberately leave out what Judaism has long taught was the REAL First Commandment? Could it be that Adventists have lost all of their Worker's Compensation paperwork that was submitted to the Pharaoh after that unfortunate stint on the Pyramid crew?


so from creation until Abraham (well over 2,000 years) the Sabbath was for nobody. So then why did God make the Sabbath during creation. He could have just waited until Abraham came along and told him to keep the seventh day.

Because God never made "the Sabbath during creation!" And of course he never told Abraham to keep the Seventh Day either, nor is there any record of any kind that Abraham kept the Sabbath.
 
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The interesting thing I see is they all sound alike. So if they're not SDA what exactly are they? SDR or some other splinter group?

Since I began writing on here, I have chatted with just one Seventh Day Baptist. We discussed the Sabbath for about 10 minutes. She left screaming, holding her head in shock and horror over the aberrant doctrines propounded by the usual Sabbatarians that post here. Given that at best, there are 50,000 SDBs in the world; a claimed 17 million Seventh Day Adventists; and barely a handful of Messianic Jews, the chances are shockingly high that any Sabbatarian posting on here is in fact a Seventh Day Adventist.
 
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SAAN, don't believe their lies and nonsense. I know a lot of SDA's here and none of them I know have ever pretended or denied being one. There are people here who believe in the Sabbath but are not SDA's. People automatically assume once you believe in Sabbath Keeping that you are SDA and therefore, if you say you are not them you are denying it. I have some friends on here who are Messianic Jews who have been accused on being SDA's. Oh well.

And if you notice, Elder111 simply said that he did not quote for EG White but he was going on the bible alone. Somehow to these people that means he is denying everything about her. Regardless of where you stand, the point is that they are being very dishonest to try to support their weak arguments.

And what your friend's parents said about SDA's are misleading. For one, I am not a vegan and most of the SDA's I know are not. Sunday Worship only becomes the Mark of the Beast if the Beast enforces it. So that's a misleading statement. Don't dance - its relative to the kind of dancing. Everything else is largely correct.
My personal experience with SDA validate everything LarryP2 says about them.
 
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Actually let's be clear on something. God did not actually "work". God saying "Let there be light" is really not work. When God rested it simply means he ceased from his "work". So then the question is why did God choose to make the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th. He could have done it in one day and then not rest at all. The only reason God choose to do that is to create a cycle for us to follow.

Rotation of the earth gives the day, lunar action gives the month, revolution of the earth around the sun gives the year. There is no scientific explanation for the week. The weekly cycle is solely God's doing. He set the week in motion and thus set a pattern for us to follow.



It's true that there was no command for Sabbath keeping in Genesis, but neither is there a command about taking another man's wife, or lying, or killing, or stealing. About 2000 years of earth history is covered in 6 chapters in Genesis. From creation the bible goes to the fall of man and then leads up to the flood. So then to say that because nothing is mentioned in the account in Genesis about God actually telling someone to keep the sabbath, that it was never done is not a strong argument to make because clearly there is a whole lot the bible left out. When did God tell Noah how to distinguish clean from unclean animals? Well its not mentioned but God must have told Noah how because later on he told him to take the clean animals by sevens and the unclean by twos.



I think we can agree on the fact that God blessed the Seventh day and made it holy. Why would God even do that? If someone thing holy then morality becomes a reality. If a church is holy, and I go in the church smoking weed and gambling then I am doing wrong. How is it different to if the sabbath is holy. It them means morality is a reality. Plus, it was placed in the 10 commandments which is the moral law. You want to tell God he put it in with the wrong set of commandments?



You are not making any sense. So you are saying that the Sabbath was not for all men at creation, and it was only for the Jews. The first Jew was Abraham so from creation until Abraham (well over 2,000 years) the Sabbath was for nobody. So then why did God make the Sabbath during creation. He could have just waited until Abraham came along and told him to keep the seventh day.
Abraham wasn't a Jew.

Moses said it was for the Israelite only. Ezekiel says the Sabbath was given to Israel.
 
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Abraham wasn't a Jew.

Moses said it was for the Israelite only. Ezekiel says the Sabbath was given to Israel.
Abraham was not a Jew? So orange did not come from an orange tree? I see! You learn something new everyday.
 
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Abraham was not a Jew? So orange did not come from an orange tree? I see! You learn something new everyday.

What an incredibly and shockingly ignorant statement! Abraham was NOT a Jew, anymore than he was an Arab/Muslim:

"Abraham is one of the best-known people of the Bible. He's a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. He was the great-grandfather of Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews, and he was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended. Abraham was a Hebrew, and although the ancestor of both, Abraham himself was neither Jew nor Arab."
Bible Study - Was Abraham A Jew?

"By showing the origin of the Jewish people, it is clearly seen that Abraham was not a Jew. The word Jew refers to those of the tribe of Judah, one of the twelve tribes of ancient Israel. II Kings 16:6 contains the first biblical usage of the term. This was many centuries after Abraham’s lifetime."
Was Abraham a Jew?

"Abraham came from a pagan, Gentile family, and was serving God before he was circumcised.
However, Abraham was neither a Jew nor an Israelite. The name “Jew” comes from the name “Judah.” Judah was a great-grandson of Abraham, born after Abraham had died. Judah was the beginning of the tribe of Judah, which was the tribe of King David and later of Jesus. All Israelites came to be known as “Jews” because of the prominence of that tribe. In fact, the country of the Jews was known as Judea in the time of Jesus, a name that also came from Judah."
QUESTION: Was Abraham A Gentile or a Jew? | Committed To Truth

"Was Abraham a Jew? What Was Abraham's Nationality? We will find later in this study that the term "Jew," a shortened designation for "Judah," was first applied to people who lived a few generations after Abraham. Abraham himself was not Jewish (or Israelite) but, it would seem, Chaldean:

"And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there." (Gen 11:31)
Abraham, though often called the "father of the Jewish race," was a Chaldean, from Ur of the Chaldees an area of Babylon as was his wife, Sarah. Abraham is referred to as a Hebrew:

"And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew ..." (Gen 14:13)
Hebrew means "one from beyond" and is derived from Eber (or Heber, Strong's no. 5676) meaning "the region beyond" (the Euphrates)"
Was Abraham a Jew? What Does the Bible Say About Abraham?

"If there is an explicit biblical explanation for this animosity, it goes all the way back to Abraham. The Jews are descendants of Abraham’s son Isaac. The Arabs are descendants of Abraham’s son Ishmael. With Ishmael being the son of a slave woman (Genesis 16:1-16) and Isaac being the promised son who would inherit the blessings of Abraham (Genesis 21:1-3), obviously there would be some animosity between the two sons. As a result of Ishmael’s mocking Isaac (Genesis 21:9), Sarah talked Abraham into sending Hagar and Ishmael away (Genesis 21:11-21). Likely, this caused even more contempt in Ishmael’s heart towards Isaac. An angel prophesied to Hagar that Ishmael would “live in hostility toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:11-12).

"The religion of Islam, to which a majority of Arabs are adherents, has made this hostility more profound. The Qur'an contains somewhat contradictory instructions for Muslims regarding Jews. At one point it instructs Muslims to treat Jews as brothers and at another point commands Muslims to attack Jews who refuse to convert to Islam. The Qur’an also introduces a conflict as to which son of Abraham was truly the son of promise. The Hebrew Scriptures say it was Isaac. The Qur’an says it was Ishmael. The Qur’an teaches that it was Ishmael whom Abraham almost sacrificed to the Lord, not Isaac (in contradiction to Genesis chapter 22). This debate over who was the son of promise contributes to the hostility today."

Read more: Why do Jews and Arabs / Muslims hate each other?
Why do Jews and Arabs / Muslims hate each other?


Read more: Why do Jews and Arabs / Muslims hate each other?

And the actual literal text is telling:

New International Version Genesis 17:4

"As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations."

Yes many, that. Just off hand, there is only one Jewish "nation." Abraham's "fatherhood" of Muslim nations is, shall we say, FAR more promiscuous by comparison. At least 57 by some accounts:

How Many Muslim Countries Are There in the World? - Ask.com

You are not making any sense. So you are saying that the Sabbath was not for all men at creation, and it was only for the Jews.

Yes as a matter of fact, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. There is NO evidence that either Isaac or Ishmael ever kept the Sabbath. And Ishmael (the father of Islam and Arabs) would have been just as likely to keep the Sabbath as Isaac. Neither did. And there is NO doubt in my mind that Muslims would fervently keep the Sabbath had it EVER been given to Ishmael. Muslims are not known for skimping on religious obligations. And I have demonstrated in my prior post the actual wording of the covenants given to Adam, Noah, Abraham and Isaac. NONE included the Sabbath.


So then why did God make the Sabbath during creation. He could have just waited until Abraham came along and told him to keep the seventh day.

He neither made the Sabbath at creation, nor did Abraham ever keep the Sabbath. Again, in my prior post the covenants given to Adam, Noah, Abraham and Isaac are set forth in great specificity. NONE of them include the Sabbath.

Ezekiel says the Sabbath was given to Israel.

Unfortunately, "from scratch" drastically understates just how painstakingly Ezekial describes that the Sabbath was given specifically ONLY to Israel:

Ezekiel 20:10-25
New International Version (NIV)


10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which the person who obeys them will live. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

13 “‘Yet the people of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. They did not follow my decrees but rejected my laws—by which the person who obeys them will live—and they utterly desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and destroy them in the wilderness. 14 But for the sake of my name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out. 15 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land I had given them—a land flowing with milk and honey, the most beautiful of all lands— 16 because they rejected my laws and did not follow my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths. For their hearts were devoted to their idols. 17 Yet I looked on them with pity and did not destroy them or put an end to them in the wilderness. 18 I said to their children in the wilderness, “Do not follow the statutes of your parents or keep their laws or defile yourselves with their idols. 19 I am the Lord your God; follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”

21 “‘But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws, of which I said, “The person who obeys them will live by them,” and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 But I withheld my hand, and for the sake of my name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out. 23 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the wilderness that I would disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries, 24 because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their parents’ idols. 25 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live;

Ezekial could not have made it clearer that the Sabbath was only for Israel; it was a sign specifically to distinguish them from all other nations; and was also temporary and easily replaceable. If it could be so easily replaced, then it clearly was not a moral law.
 
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Abraham was not a Jew?
Wow.
Would you like to explain how Abraham could be the posterity of Judah long before Judah was born?
Don't even bother. Your Biblical literacy is seriously deficient when you question Scripture in this manner.
 
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Abraham was a Hebrew. There was no such thing as a Jew back then and they were simply called Hebrews. The word Jew came much later on in the bible.

Really and truly this whole debate over whether Abraham was a jew or not is insignificant because a case can be made he was not a jew and a case can be made he was. But the Jewish nation came from Abraham. I think this who diversion started from me saying that from creation to Abraham (A span of well over 2000 years) there was not a single Jew so then if God created the Sabbath for the Jews then why do it at creation when there would not be a single Jew around for many centuries.
 
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Really and truly this whole debate over whether Abraham was a jew or not is insignificant because a case can be made he was not a jew and a case can be made he was. But the Jewish nation came from Abraham. I think this who diversion started from me saying that from creation to Abraham (A span of well over 2000 years) there was not a single Jew so then if God created the Sabbath for the Jews then why do it at creation when there would not be a single Jew around for many centuries.

Of course the easiest and most correct answer would be: The Sabbath was NOT created at creation. I have addressed that in an earlier point, more in depth. I have also discussed at length the various specific covenants and laws with respect to Adam, Noah, Abraham and Isaac in that same post. None of them were given the Sabbath.

And a case can be made that Abraham was an Arab and a Muslim that is just as strong as the case for him being a Jew:

"Islam considers Abraham to be "one of the first Muslims" (Surah 3)—the first monotheist in a world where monotheism was lost, and the community of those faithful to God,[37] thus being referred to as ابونا ابرهيم or "Our Father Abraham", as well as Ibrahim al-Hanif or "Abraham the Monotheist".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#For_Muslims
http://www.children-of-abraham.org/
http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=8409

"Abraham was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim (musliman), and he was not one of the polytheists." S. 3:67 Shaki
http://muslim-responses.com/Who_was_the_first_Muslim/Who_was_the_first_Muslim_

The Quran repeatedly describes the Prophet Abraham as a man who believed in One True God, and was a righteous example for us all to follow:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Quran 3:67).
Say: "(Allah) speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans" (Quran 3:95).
http://islam.about.com/od/abraham/p/ibrahim.htm

That just would not do, to have God give Abraham the Sabbath and inadvertently risk having it fall into the hands of Ishmael and the Muslims! Here, it is argued that Ishmael had the same rights of inheritance as did Isaac:

http://www.guidetosalvation.com/Website/did_gods covenant with abraham include ishmael.htm

Again, it is interesting that Muslims; who descended from Abraham, and who circumcised Ishmael before Isaac was born; practice circumcision as a mandatory religious rite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_(circumcision)

Strangely, the descendants of Ishmael - fully practicing the Abrahamic covenant of circumcision - have never made a claim for the Sabbath! It is obvious the Sabbath was never given to Abraham.
 
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Of course the easiest and most correct answer would be: The Sabbath was NOT created at creation. I have addressed that in an earlier point, more in depth. I have also discussed at length the various specific covenants and laws with respect to Adam, Noah, Abraham and Isaac in that same post. None of them were given the Sabbath.

And a case can be made that Abraham was an Arab and a Muslim that is just as strong as the case for him being a Jew:

"Islam considers Abraham to be "one of the first Muslims" (Surah 3)—the first monotheist in a world where monotheism was lost, and the community of those faithful to God,[37] thus being referred to as ابونا ابرهيم or "Our Father Abraham", as well as Ibrahim al-Hanif or "Abraham the Monotheist".
Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Children of Abraham - Home
Abraham, the First Muslim

"Abraham was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim (musliman), and he was not one of the polytheists." S. 3:67 Shaki
Who was the first Muslim

The Quran repeatedly describes the Prophet Abraham as a man who believed in One True God, and was a righteous example for us all to follow:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Quran 3:67).
Say: "(Allah) speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans" (Quran 3:95).
Prophet Ibrahim/ Abraham in Islam

That just would not do, to have God give Abraham the Sabbath and inadvertently risk having it fall into the hands of Ishmael and the Muslims! Here, it is argued that Ishmael had the same rights of inheritance as did Isaac:

Did God's Covenant With Abraham Include Ishmael?

The meaning of Sabbath or Shabbat is to rest or cease, so its a day of rest.
God by resting on the 7th day and making that day holy made it a Sabbath by all definitions of the word. For the sake of your argument you would have to change the meaning of Sabbath.
 
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The meaning of Sabbath or Shabbat is to rest or cease, so its a day of rest.
God by resting on the 7th day and making that day holy made it a Sabbath by all definitions of the word. For the sake of your argument you would have to change the meaning of Sabbath.

But the authorities I cited prove that the Seventh Day of creation was never-ending and denounce a literal six-day creation epic:

Here's how Hebrew Linguists deal with the question of whether the Sabbath is a creation ordinance:

The narrative of the seventh day states:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God … rested … from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy…(Gen. 2:1-3)

Young-Earth View

Young-earth creationists believe the seventh day of God’s rest was a 24-hour period. Based on the statement in Exodus 20:11 (ESV), “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day,” they maintain the creation “week” was a period of seven 24-hour days.

Old-Earth View

Old-earth creationists contend the seventh day is an ongoing period. Although God continues His providential work of preserving and governing His creation, He is at rest in the sense that He is no longer creating. Because the seventh day is a period of indeterminate length, they argue this is evidence the other creation days are not 24-hour periods.

Exegetical Support

The seventh day lacks the concluding “evening/morning” refrain found in the narratives of the other creation days. This indicates God’s Sabbath rest is ongoing. Since God’s Sabbath rest is unending, the seventh day must be unending. The New Testament confirms the seventh day of God’s rest is an ongoing reality. For example in Hebrews, God invites us, present tense, to join Him in His Sabbath rest:

For we who have believed enter that rest, as he said, ‘As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest,’ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’ And again in this passage he said, ‘They shall not enter my rest.' (Hebrews 4:3-5, ESV).

The English translation of Exodus 20:11, “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and earth...” makes it sound as though God created everything within the confines of six calendar-days. However, the preposition “in” does not appear in the original Hebrew. Rather, the verse is more correctly translated, “For six yôms the LORD made...” The addition of “in” originated with the King James Version translation and “played a significant role in the advocacy of the creation days being completed within 144 hours (6x24).”When the verse is correctly translated, it is clear the creation “days” could have been long time periods.

The reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 seems to refer to the pattern of “days,” not their duration. The emphasis is on the pattern of work and rest, a ratio of six to one, not on the length of the creation days. Exodus 20:9 addresses the work-week of humans (seven 24-hour days); Exodus 20:11 addresses the work-week of God (seven time periods). Thus, as Hebrew scholar Gleason Archer notes: “By no means does this [Exodus 20:9-11] demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six ‘days,’ any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days.” In Leviticus 25:4 the pattern of one out of seven is duplicated with six years of planting the land and one year of “Sabbath rest for the land.” This further demonstrates the analogy of our Sabbath to God’s Sabbath does not demand that the creation “week” consisted of seven 24-hour days."

The Six Days of Creation: A Closer Look at Scripture

A literal six-day creation and the creation of a Sabbath "day" at creation rely on a mistranslation in the KJV. And that is totally consistent with the fact that nowhere in the Bible are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac or Jacob depicted keeping the Sabbath, or receiving the Sabbath as part of their covenant. And in the Mishnah Torah, there is a complete absence in the the description of their respective Convenants of a Sabbath obligationFurthermore, the Death Penalty that Judaism has always imposed on Sabbath-Keeping Gentiles indicates that Gentiles have NEVER kept the Sabbath.
 
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But the authorities I cited prove that the Seventh Day of creation was never-ending and denounce a literal six-day creation epic:

Here's how Hebrew Linguists deal with the question of whether the Sabbath is a creation ordinance:

The narrative of the seventh day states:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God … rested … from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy…(Gen. 2:1-3)

Young-Earth View

Young-earth creationists believe the seventh day of God’s rest was a 24-hour period. Based on the statement in Exodus 20:11 (ESV), “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day,” they maintain the creation “week” was a period of seven 24-hour days.

Old-Earth View

Old-earth creationists contend the seventh day is an ongoing period. Although God continues His providential work of preserving and governing His creation, He is at rest in the sense that He is no longer creating. Because the seventh day is a period of indeterminate length, they argue this is evidence the other creation days are not 24-hour periods.

Exegetical Support

The seventh day lacks the concluding “evening/morning” refrain found in the narratives of the other creation days. This indicates God’s Sabbath rest is ongoing. Since God’s Sabbath rest is unending, the seventh day must be unending. The New Testament confirms the seventh day of God’s rest is an ongoing reality. For example in Hebrews, God invites us, present tense, to join Him in His Sabbath rest:

For we who have believed enter that rest, as he said, ‘As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest,’ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’ And again in this passage he said, ‘They shall not enter my rest.' (Hebrews 4:3-5, ESV).

The English translation of Exodus 20:11, “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and earth...” makes it sound as though God created everything within the confines of six calendar-days. However, the preposition “in” does not appear in the original Hebrew. Rather, the verse is more correctly translated, “For six yôms the LORD made...” The addition of “in” originated with the King James Version translation and “played a significant role in the advocacy of the creation days being completed within 144 hours (6x24).”When the verse is correctly translated, it is clear the creation “days” could have been long time periods.

The reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 seems to refer to the pattern of “days,” not their duration. The emphasis is on the pattern of work and rest, a ratio of six to one, not on the length of the creation days. Exodus 20:9 addresses the work-week of humans (seven 24-hour days); Exodus 20:11 addresses the work-week of God (seven time periods). Thus, as Hebrew scholar Gleason Archer notes: “By no means does this [Exodus 20:9-11] demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six ‘days,’ any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days.” In Leviticus 25:4 the pattern of one out of seven is duplicated with six years of planting the land and one year of “Sabbath rest for the land.” This further demonstrates the analogy of our Sabbath to God’s Sabbath does not demand that the creation “week” consisted of seven 24-hour days."

The Six Days of Creation: A Closer Look at Scripture

A literal six-day creation and the creation of a Sabbath "day" at creation rely on a mistranslation in the KJV. And that is totally consistent with the fact that nowhere in the Bible are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac or Jacob depicted keeping the Sabbath, or receiving the Sabbath as part of their covenant. And in the Mishnah Torah, there is a complete absence in the the description of their respective Convenants of a Sabbath obligationFurthermore, the Death Penalty that Judaism has always imposed on Sabbath-Keeping Gentiles indicates that Gentiles have NEVER kept the Sabbath.

I simply do not agree with the idea that the seventh day is never ending.

What God did in taking 6 days to make the world and resting on the 7th was creating the weekly cycle. How could there have been a weekly cycle if the seventh day was never ending.

Also, if the Seventh day was never ending then why does the bible keep saying that God RESTED on the 7th day instead of saying God IS RESTING on the 7th day. It is always past tense as in something that happened in the past and ceased.

See we need to realize that God does not have to operate within any 24hr boundary. He only did that to set up a weekly cycle for us. Therefore, in setting up that weekly cycle, the 7th day must have been the same time period because it is the same time period now.
 
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I simply do not agree with the idea that the seventh day is never ending.

You might not, but then that would not be in accordance with the way the Bible is clearly supposed to be translated. You have your right to your personal opinion. But that is NOT what the Bible says.

What God did in taking 6 days to make the world and resting on the 7th was creating the weekly cycle. How could there have been a weekly cycle if the seventh day was never ending.

The Romans and Pagans BOTH adopted weekly cycles without believing in a 6 day creation. Again, the majority of translators do not agree in a six day creation:

"Note: most biblical scholars believe the “day” here, in terms of six “days” to create the universe, one to rest, is more accurately translated as “period” or “interval” rather than a literal Earth day. This is perhaps not unlike the “40 days and 40 nights” Jewish saying being a non-literal ancient Jewish expression simply meaning “a really long time”.
Why We Have a Seven Day Week and the Origin of the Names of the Days of the Week

Also, if the Seventh day was never ending then why does the bible keep saying that God RESTED on the 7th day instead of saying God IS RESTING on the 7th day. It is always past tense as in something that happened in the past and ceased.

As shown above, the never-ending rest is also found in the Book of Hebrews.

See we need to realize that God does not have to operate within any 24hr boundary. He only did that to set up a weekly cycle for us. Therefore, in setting up that weekly cycle, the 7th day must have been the same time period because it is the same time period now.

The seven-day week was not used until the Romans instituted it:

"The common explanation is that the seven-day week was established as imperial calendar in the late Roman empire and furthered by the Christian church for historical reasons."
Our Week | Calendars

Extra-biblical locations sometimes mentioned as the birthplace of the 7-day week include: Babylon, Persia, and several others. The week was known in Rome before the advent of Christianity.
The Week
 
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I simply do not agree with the idea that the seventh day is never ending.

You might not, but then that would not be in accordance with the way the Bible is clearly supposed to be translated. You have your right to your personal opinion. But that is NOT what the Bible says.

What God did in taking 6 days to make the world and resting on the 7th was creating the weekly cycle. How could there have been a weekly cycle if the seventh day was never ending.

The Romans and Pagans BOTH adopted weekly cycles without believing in a 6 day creation. Again, the majority of translators do not agree in a six day creation:

"Note: most biblical scholars believe the “day” here, in terms of six “days” to create the universe, one to rest, is more accurately translated as “period” or “interval” rather than a literal Earth day. This is perhaps not unlike the “40 days and 40 nights” Jewish saying being a non-literal ancient Jewish expression simply meaning “a really long time”.
Why We Have a Seven Day Week and the Origin of the Names of the Days of the Week

Also, if the Seventh day was never ending then why does the bible keep saying that God RESTED on the 7th day instead of saying God IS RESTING on the 7th day. It is always past tense as in something that happened in the past and ceased.

As shown above, the never-ending rest is also found in the Book of Hebrews.

See we need to realize that God does not have to operate within any 24hr boundary. He only did that to set up a weekly cycle for us. Therefore, in setting up that weekly cycle, the 7th day must have been the same time period because it is the same time period now.

The seven-day week was not used until the Romans instituted it:

"The common explanation is that the seven-day week was established as imperial calendar in the late Roman empire and furthered by the Christian church for historical reasons."
Our Week | Calendars

Extra-biblical locations sometimes mentioned as the birthplace of the 7-day week include: Babylon, Persia, and several others. The week was known in Rome before the advent of Christianity.
The Week

"The earliest ancient sources record a seven-day week in ancient Babylon prior to 600 BCE.[1] Babylonians celebrated a holy day every seven days, starting from the new moon, then the first visible crescent of the Moon, but adjusted the number of days of the final "week" in each month so that months would continue to commence on the new moon."
Seven-day week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Seven Day week is based on the lunar cycle, NOT the seven day creation story. NOBODY has based the 7 day week on the 7 days of creation!
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Calendar/calendar.html
 
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You might not, but then that would not be in accordance with the way the Bible is clearly supposed to be translated. You have your right to your personal opinion. But that is NOT what the Bible says.



The Romans and Pagans BOTH adopted weekly cycles without believing in a 6 day creation. Again, the majority of translators do not agree in a six day creation:

"Note: most biblical scholars believe the “day” here, in terms of six “days” to create the universe, one to rest, is more accurately translated as “period” or “interval” rather than a literal Earth day. This is perhaps not unlike the “40 days and 40 nights” Jewish saying being a non-literal ancient Jewish expression simply meaning “a really long time”.
Why We Have a Seven Day Week and the Origin of the Names of the Days of the Week



As shown above, the never-ending rest is also found in the Book of Hebrews.



The seven-day week was not used until the Romans instituted it:

"The common explanation is that the seven-day week was established as imperial calendar in the late Roman empire and furthered by the Christian church for historical reasons."
Our Week | Calendars

Extra-biblical locations sometimes mentioned as the birthplace of the 7-day week include: Babylon, Persia, and several others. The week was known in Rome before the advent of Christianity.
The Week

"The earliest ancient sources record a seven-day week in ancient Babylon prior to 600 BCE.[1] Babylonians celebrated a holy day every seven days, starting from the new moon, then the first visible crescent of the Moon, but adjusted the number of days of the final "week" in each month so that months would continue to commence on the new moon."
Seven-day week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Seven Day week is based on the lunar cycle, NOT the seven day creation story. NOBODY has based the 7 day week on the 7 days of creation!
Introduction to the Jewish Calendar

Are you and your source saying that the 7 day week was established by the Romans and Babylonians?

So in the 4th commandment when it mentions a 7 day week....? What about that.
 
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