The Lord's day.

[LarryP2]

It is about the SETTING of the book of Revelation. As a matter of fact John informed PAUL way earlier than the time it was actually written.
It was NOT Paul that was taken to the third Heaven in ...TIME...it was JOHN.

9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.

Sounds like it is all happening in a specific day, time and place. Christianity has always interpreted this to be happening on the Lord's Day, which is Sunday. You are welcome to your interpretation, but that is not Christianity's interpretation. Here is Christianity's standard take on the subject:

"It was the apostle's comfort that he did not suffer as an evil-doer, but for the testimony of Jesus, for bearing witness to Christ as the Immanuel, the Saviour; and the Spirit of glory and of God rested upon this persecuted apostle. The day and time when he had this vision was the Lord's day, the Christian sabbath, the first day of the week, observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him "Our Lord," honour him on his own day. The name shows how this sacred day should be observed; the Lord's day should be wholly devoted to the Lord, and none of its hours employed in a sensual, worldly manner, or in amusements. He was in a serious, heavenly, spiritual frame, under the gracious influences of the Spirit of God. Those who would enjoy communion with God on the Lord's day, must seek to draw their thoughts and affections from earthly things."
http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=66&c=1

"on the Lord's day--Though forcibly detained from Church communion with the brethren in the sanctuary on the Lord's day, the weekly commemoration of the resurrection, John was holding spiritual communion with them. This is the earliest mention of the term, "the Lord's day." But the consecration of the day to worship, almsgiving, and the Lord's Supper"

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/jamieson-fausset-brown/revelation/revelation-1.html

"Whether the name of the first day of the week as ‘the Lord’s Day’ originated with this passage, or had already become common, is uncertain. But, at all events, it was plainly regarded as the day for Christian worship."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm

"On the Lord’s day — On this our Lord rose from the dead."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm

"The day and time when he had this vision was the Lord's day, the Christian sabbath, the first day of the week, observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him Our Lord, honour him on his own day. The name shows how this sacred day should be observed; the Lord's day should be wholly devoted to the Lord, and none of its hours employed in a sensual, worldly manner, or in amusements."

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm


"The term was used generally by the early Christians to denote the first day of the week. It occurs twice in the Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (about 101 a.d.), who calls the Lord's day "the queen and prince of all days." Chrysostom (on Psalm 119) says, "It was called the Lord's day because the Lord rose from the dead on that day."

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm

"On the Lord’s day; upon the Christian sabbath, called the Lord’s day, ( as the eucharist, or breaking of bread, is called the Lord’s supper, 1 Corinthians 11:20), because Christ instituted it; or, because the end of its institution was the remembrance of Christ’s resurrection, (as the end of the Lord’s supper was the commemoration of Christ’s death), or because it was instituted for the honour of Christ."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,.... Not on the Jewish sabbath, which was now abolished, nor was that ever called the Lord's day, and had John meant that, he would have said on the sabbath day; much less the Jewish passover, but the first day of the week is designed; so the Ethiopic version renders it "on the first day"; and is so called just as the ordinance of the supper is called the Lord's supper, being instituted by the Lord, and the Lord's table, 1 Corinthians 10:21, and that because it was the day in which our Lord rose from the dead, Mark 16:9; and in which he appeared at different times to his disciples, John 20:19, and which the primitive churches set apart for his worship and service, and on which they met together to hear the word, and attend on ordinances, Acts 20:7; and Justin Martyr (z) tells us, who lived within about fifty years after this time, that on the day called , "Sunday", (by the Greeks,) the Christians met together in one place, and read the Scriptures, and prayed together, and administered the ordinance of the supper; and this, he adds, was the first day in which God created the World, and our Saviour Jesus Christ rose from the dead; yea, Barnabas (a), the companion of the Apostle Paul, calls this day the eighth day, in distinction from the seventh day sabbath of the Jews, and which he says is the beginning of another world; and therefore we keep the eighth day, adds he, joyfully, in which Jesus rose from the dead, and being manifested, ascended unto heaven: and this day was known by the ancients by the name of "the Lord's day"; as by Ignatius (b), Irenaeus (c), Tertullian (d), Origen (e), and others; for it must be some day that was known by this name, otherwise it is mentioned to no purpose, because it would not be distinctive from others; for which reason it cannot merely design the day in which John saw this vision, because the Lord appeared on it to him, for this would not distinguish it from any other day."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm

"(i) He calls it the Lord's day, which Paul calls the first day of the week; 1Co 16:2."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm


SOUNDS SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE EVERY LEGITIMATE COMMENTARY WRITER I CAN FIND SAYS IT IS SUNDAY, THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

This thread is about the "Lord's Day" in Revelation and THAT is not Sunday...period.

OH REALLY NOW?

Sounds like you are pretty much the lone voice in the Wilderness on this one!!!! SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME BIG BUCKS IN STORE FOR YOU IF YOU WRITE THE VERY FIRST COMMENTARY THAT DISAGREES WITH EVERYONE ELSE!!

 

[By Faith Alone]

Larryp2

The apostle John was an apostle to the circumcision and ISRAEL is the "woman" in Revelation. That book is about the last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel (the time of JACOB's) trouble Paul is our apostle and he was assigned to receive revelations concerning the Gentiles. It is PAUL that takes us out of the temporary Heavens right to the Heaven of Genesis 1:1. Israel has NEVER been told to worship on Sunday. The Sabbath is Saturday (the seventh day) and has NEVER been shifted to Sunday...the eight day. Sunday is our NEW beginning. If one wants to worship on a certain day? Hey Tuesday will do. BUT worship should be a 24 hour a day experience no matter what. We worship in Word and walk.

The "Day of the Lord"/"The Lord's Day" is not restricted to a single 24 hour period. It is the "day of vengeance". The terminology is not that difficult once it soaks in.

Jer 30:7 Alas! for... that day ....is great, so that none is like it: it is even ...the time of Jacob's trouble.....but he shall be saved out of it.

 

[LarryP2]

Larryp2
The "Day of the Lord"/"The Lord's Day" is not restricted to a single 24 hour period. It is the "day of vengeance". The terminology is not that difficult once it soaks in.

Jer 30:7 Alas! for... that day ....is great, so that none is like it: it is even ...the time of Jacob's trouble.....but he shall be saved out of it.

Sounds like you could easily win a Nobel Prize with that truly-ground breaking theory, that is if you could prove it somehow.

I can't find one single commentary that agrees with you. It seems the world of serious Bible scholarship is unanimously against you! Why don't you cut and paste the section from your Seventh Day Adventist "Clear Word Bible" that supports your assertion?

I have to say, I am genuinely fascinated with your truly interesting and novel approach.

 

[Elder 111]

WRONG!

Tricky scripture sculptor at work with the deceitful out of context verse game:

Hebrews 4
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”[e]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Hebrews 4
New International Version (NIV)
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Absolutely not a command to keep the Sabbath. Actually Christianity has always interpreted that verse as meaning that Christians have a rest EVERYDAY, no need for the Sabbath, since Jesus Christ IS our Sabbath and he did so by absolutely fulfilling the Sabbath. Which is particularly apt for the Gentile Christians since they never were allowed to Keep the Sabbath to begin with.

Nice try though.

No it is a flaw presentation on your part. Verse
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What other ceasing from work that God did, as recorded in scripture, that we are also required to copy but the Sabbath?

 

[LarryP2]

No it is a flaw presentation on your part. Verse
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What other ceasing from work that God did, as recorded in scripture, that we are also required to copy but the Sabbath?

That is certainly a valid interpretation if you belong to a non-Christian cult like you do.

Christianity has a different interpretation.

 

[rstrats]

LarryP2,

re: "...EVERY LEGITIMATE COMMENTARY WRITER I CAN FIND SAYS IT IS SUNDAY, THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK."


No one is disagreeing that the majority say that. It's just that there is no scripture that says that.

 

[LarryP2]

LarryP2,

re: "...EVERY LEGITIMATE COMMENTARY WRITER I CAN FIND SAYS IT IS SUNDAY, THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK."


No one is disagreeing that the majority say that. It's just that there is no scripture that says that.

Except the Scripture DOES say "The Lord's Day." And Christian Bible Scholars are in total agreement that it means "Sunday." If you belong to a non-Christian cult, only then it says something else.

 

[rstrats]

LarryP2,

re: "Except the Scripture DOES say 'The Lord's Day'."


I wonder if you might point out the scripture that identifies the "Lord's Day" as the first day of the week?

 

[LarryP2]

LarryP2,

re: "Except the Scripture DOES say 'The Lord's Day'."


I wonder if you might point out the scripture that identifies the "Lord's Day" as the first day of the week?

As soon as you provide the Scripture that suggests that people in Norway, with six months a year of around-the-clock Darkness, must keep the Sabbath to achieve Salvation. And as long as you can provide me with some scripture that specifically says the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church is "the harlot of Babylon" and Protestant Churches that worship on Sunday are "The Apostate Daughters of the harlot of Babylon."

I have searched all through Scripture and I can't find "Norway" "Pope" "Catholic Church" "Protestant Church." Can you help me out here?

A solid wall of historical statements describe the meaning of "The Lord's Day." ALL of the First and Second Century Christians defined it that way. Competent Bible Scholars do not studiously ignore history and pretend like everything in the Bible is self-explanatory.

Are you claiming they just made stuff up? Only modern-day prophets have a track record of pulling stunts like that.

Or are you implying that all of those commentary writers are just lying?

People who insist that all doctrine and knowledge must come strictly from the Bible have a TERRIBLE track record. The Branch Davidians and the Jehovah's Witnesses share that problem, along with Jim Jones of the People's Temple and the World Wide Church of God. Not Good.

And here is a hilarious discussion of an intractable problem when you rely on the fairy tales told by a "prophet," instead of reputable scholars, who are generally grounded in history and science:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7820200/

Should I wait for another prophet with a head injury to come along and explain what the Lord's Day means? Does mental illness like the above-cited cult leaders may have suffered from give them more credibility than mainstream Bible Scholars?

Cool!

I never realized how quick you could get credibility, merely by ignoring ALL of the respectable Bible Scholars in the world!

 

[VictorC]

No it is a flaw presentation on your part. Verse
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What other ceasing from work that God did, as recorded in scripture, that we are also required to copy but the Sabbath?

All it would have taken is opening the context two verses preceding or one verse following, and you would have seen that God's rest isn't the Sabbath. His rest is noted as "that rest" those who had the Sabbath hadn't attained.

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.​

A promise of God's rest remained to be attained during the tenure of the Sabbath, as v.4:1 opens the chapter with. That promise is another day, singular in the author's presentation, and not cyclical as the Sabbath was.

 

[from scratch]

LarryP2,

re: "...EVERY LEGITIMATE COMMENTARY WRITER I CAN FIND SAYS IT IS SUNDAY, THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK."


No one is disagreeing that the majority say that. It's just that there is no scripture that says that.

You must have a funny bible.

 

[from scratch]

LarryP2,

re: "Except the Scripture DOES say 'The Lord's Day'."


I wonder if you might point out the scripture that identifies the "Lord's Day" as the first day of the week?

Please support the idea John is referring to the Sabbath in Rev 1:10. He's certainly not saying the day of the Lord.

 

[By Faith Alone]

That is certainly a valid interpretation if you belong to a non-Christian cult like you do.

Christianity has a different interpretation.

What would happen if anyone here called your denomination a cult? Are you going against site rules in doing so? I see "cultism" of sorts in all denominations. If....the SDA WERE a non-Christian cult then what are they doing posting in here?

I am not defending their doctrine at all.

 

[from scratch]

What would happen if anyone here called your denomination a cult? Are you going against site rules in doing so? I see "cultism" of sorts in all denominations. If....the SDA WERE a non-Christian cult then what are they doing posting in here?

I am not defending their doctrine at all.

Hmmm! It does seem as though the site rules are against facts and truth. It really must hurt to be exposed. Only evil loves cover. The truth loves the bright sun.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Hmmm! It does seem as though the site rules are against facts and truth. It really must hurt to be exposed. Only evil loves cover. The truth loves the bright sun.

Are there any other denominations you have in mind? Or are you just picking and choosing?

 

[rstrats]

LarryP2,

re: "...are you implying that all of those commentary writers are just lying?"


No, I imagine that the majority of them think that they are speaking the truth. All I'm trying to say is that if the supreme being intends for the first day of the week to be referred to as the Lord's Day, that scripture is silent about it.

 

[LarryP2]

LarryP2,

re: "...are you implying that all of those commentary writers are just lying?"


No, I imagine that the majority of them think that they are speaking the truth. All I'm trying to say is that if the supreme being intends for the first day of the week to be referred to as the Lord's Day, that scripture is silent about it.

And we are supposed to give ANY credibility to your assertion, because.......

You are the greatest Bible scholar and historian?

Can I buy the commentary that you have written to decide for myself?

 

[By Faith Alone]

What saith....SCRIPTURES!?

Acts 17:11 These (Bereans) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and ...searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[rstrats]

LarryP2,

re: "And we are supposed to give ANY credibility to your assertion..."


I don't know why not. I asserted that I imagine that the majority of commentary writers think that they are speaking the truth. Why would you think that my comment is not credible?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by By Faith Alone

What would happen if anyone here called your denomination a cult? Are you going against site rules in doing so? I see "cultism" of sorts in all denominations. If....the SDA WERE a non-Christian cult then what are they doing posting in here?

I am not defending their doctrine at all.

​

I would say Unorthodox.......


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