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The Lord's day.

The Lord' s day is Sunday.

  • There is biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's day.

  • There is no biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's day.

  • I don't care if Sunday is the Lord's day or not.


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By Faith Alone

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So what's your take on the above Ellen White quotes on "Salvation by Sabbath Keeping?" And while you're at it, why don't you explain difference, if any, between those quotes and the First and Second Century heresies of Judaizing and Ebionites?

Actually I am quite satisfied to say with 100 percent certainty that the Early Christians were absolutely united in battling the early versions of the Seventh Day Adventist heresy. If you read the above quotes of Ellen White, you can see immediately why they would have fought such heresy tooth and nail as being utterly contrary to Christianity.

And while YOU are at it give your take on the Eucharist...Mariology...the un Biblical papacy...praying to dead saints...praying to angels...etc Do you even dare? I doubt it. I STILL will not judge individual salvation no matter which end of the spectrum.
 
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Not EVERYONE wrote down what they thought and you cannot tell me 100% of the believers thought the same way. THAT is nigh to impossible. Those "early church fathers" may NOT have really understood. Many people that DID write overstated the facts to support their convictions and ended up being un- Biblical in their assertions.

It must be pretty exhilarating to apply the comfortable lessons that you have learned while luxuriously-parsing the Bible from your magnificent LazyBoy Recliner; to the Early Christians who wrote anti-Sabbath bromides while starving on their way to be fed to the Lions, or preparing themselves emotionally to watch while their starving, stark naked wife had her arms and legs tied to four different horses, and sent off galloping in four different directions. With their only goal that somehow, their lion tooth-nicked bloody bones would find their way back to the Church as holy relics, to inspire the faithful to preserver in the face of mass Roman murder.

Yes, I can see your point that such people would cowardly and cravenly submit to the first minor Apostasy that came along!
 
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And while YOU are at it give your take on the Eucharist...Mariology...the un Biblical papacy...praying to dead saints...praying to angels...etc Do you even dare? I doubt it. I STILL will not judge individual salvation no matter which end of the spectrum.

As long as you will similarly criticize the unbiblical Seventh Day Adventist infallible "Pope" Ellen G. White. And as long as you are willing to denounce the Adventist worship of Ellen G. White as a form of "Mariology." And as long as you are willing to denounce Ellen G. White for praying to her "angel," the gorgeous young man that frequently appeared in her visions. And her worship of the Angels that repeatedly rescued the non-Divine Jesus from his frequent scrapes. And as long as you are willing to denounce her anti-Gospel theme of Salvation by Perfect Sabbath Keeping. And the church leadership's unanimous adoption of the non-Christian Arian heresy for the first 50 years of the church's life. And White's deliberate Resurrection Denial in banning Easter celebration and limiting the Eucharist to four times a year.

And while you are at it, analyze whether or not the failed prophecy of Jesus's return in 1844 (all directly from the Bible, using precisely the same scriptural techniques that you revere) indicates a false prophet, or at the least sound Biblical principles.
 
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As long as you will similarly criticize the unbiblical Seventh Day Adventist infallible "Pope" Ellen G. White.
And as long as you are willing to denounce the Adventist worship of Ellen G. White as a form of "Mariology." And as long as you are willing to denounce Ellen G. White for praying to her "angel," the gorgeous young man that frequently appeared in her visions. And her worship of the Angels that repeatedly rescued the non-Divine Jesus from his frequent scrapes................................
Wouldn't that better be worded "Popess"?

http://www.christianforums.com/t3078067-47/#post24673636
Was Ellen White a prophetess or a hoax..

This is a thread i made in the Adventist forum on questions concerning the validity & authority of the writings of Ellen White, do they or do they not contradict scripture. Adventist claim that her writings are authoritive and don't contradict scripture in any point. When confronted with obivious contradiction Adventist shrug arguments against there prophet with cockiness instead of providing viewers with answeres as to why they continue to believe in a prophet that added to scripture, contradicted scrpiture and finally contradicted herself. Heres the thread where this discussion began...........................

Ellen White writings diametrically opposed to scripture:




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Luke 13:23-30
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

The Lord was saying, in effect...."See to it that...YOU...are"!
 
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It must be pretty exhilarating to apply the comfortable lessons that you have learned while luxuriously-parsing the Bible from your magnificent LazyBoy Recliner;

What a stupid, uninformed comment. You have no idea the road I have traveled and it is none of your business to boot.
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Wouldn't that better be worded "Popess"?

I considered that briefly. But I have not been appointed by anyone to pronounce Ex-Cathedra like she was.
Can you elaborate on that? Thanks



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If John was NOT equating "The Lord's Day" with "Sunday", it would be the only time in about 500 times in my review of Early Christian Fathers, starting after AD 50. When they said "Lord's Day" they meant Sunday. When they said "Sabbath," they meant the Seventh Day.

You can always tell when they are meaning "The Sabbath:" because they are ALWAYS denouncing Sabbath Keeping as a Satanic, anti-Christian, anti-Grace, anti-Resurrection heresy.
Where on the bible would I find support for or evidence of this?
 
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What a stupid, uninformed comment. You have no idea the road I have traveled and it is none of your business to boot.

Likewise, your theory about the quick apostasy of the First Century Christian Church is absurd and directly contrary to the historical facts.

It never happened.

Sorry, but when you come onto this site with your anti-Christian theology and denounce the heroic martyrs of the First Century Church, it gets me pretty worked up.
 
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Where on the bible would I find support for or evidence of this?

The idea that every single question can be answered strictly from the scripture about historical Christianity is delusional.

You REALLY expect me to disregard First Century Christianity and give credibility to your ideas on reading the Bible?

Your conclusions from the Bible were tossed onto the ash heap of history 2,000 years ago. The First Century Christians were simultaneously battling two virulent heresies that read the Bible just like you do, that came to the same conclusions that you have. Claiming it was all from the Bible.

How is it that you think your heresy is so unique? Are you really so grandiose to believe that your heresy has never been seen before? Your heresy was forcibly rejected by Christianity 2,000 years ago. Just because you think you have discovered in the bible does not mean that someone else 2,000 years ago didn't come to the same conclusion.
 
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Likewise, your theory about the quick apostasy of the First Century Christian Church is absurd and directly contrary to the historical facts.
It never happened.
Sorry, but when you come onto this site with your anti-Christian theology and denounce the heroic martyrs of the First Century Church, it gets me pretty worked up.
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I denounced...NO ONE! I question their interpretation. Plain and simple. You are taking this WAY beyond that which was intended to support your convictions.

Those early church fathers were NOT inspired apostles. If you use them as a crutch that is to YOUR detriment. Not mine.

If what they say is true, Scripturally speaking, I will stand with them.

You speak of apostacy as if it is a rule of thumb or a litmus test compared to what YOU believe.

Shall we sift the waters of the eastern orthodox for idolatry and see how much water is left?

 
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No, I am taking you back to St. Thomas: One of the original 12. And I am taking you back to ALL of the First and Second History Christian Fathers who were disciples of the original Apostles.

They all Called Sunday "The Lord's Day" and distinguished from the Sabbath.

Opinion noted
 
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I denounced...NO ONE! I question their interpretation. Plain and simple. You are taking this WAY beyond that which was intended to support your convictions.

Those early church fathers were NOT inspired apostles. If you use them as a crutch that is to YOUR detriment. Not mine.

If what they say is true, Scripturally speaking, I will stand with them.

You speak of apostacy as if it is a rule of thumb or a litmus test compared to what YOU believe.

Shall we sift the waters of the eastern orthodox for idolatry and see how much water is left?

The Scriptures that you claim that are the sole basis of your beliefs were in FACT compiled by the Eastern Orthodox church in its infancy. They may have something to tell you about how that came about and how they came to the rest of their doctrines, all of which came straight out of the mouths of the Apostles. You stick with the Bible only because you have absolute confidence that they correctly compiled the Canon of the Bible. You might want to pay attention to some of the other things that they did at the same time, based on what the Apostles told them to do.

"Those early church fathers" did not have a Bible. But history is absolutely crystal clear that they were carrying out the oral instructions from the Apostles. Do you REALLY believe that someone like Ignatius of Antioch, who was a disciple of both the Apostle Peter and John would have apostatized within a few years after their deaths? Do you really think somebody like that, who wrote strong letters denouncing Sabbath Keeping on his way to the Lions, abandoned Sabbath Keeping out of cowardice or Apostasy?

Your scriptural methods have some extremely troubling outcomes: Thousands of people lost everything and many of them ended up in mental institutions based on the failed prediction of Christ's return in 1844. Yet your Prophet, in a grand face-saving gesture, announced that INSTEAD, there was now an Investigative Judgment where Christ is judging you on your perfect Sabbath Keeping to determine your fitness for Salvation. And I would remind you, that there is an extremely disturbing history of your Church's own top theologians who have denounced that doctrine as having NO biblical support.

Your methods do not have an impressive track record.

"Idolatry" in Eastern Orthodoxy? You have of course read the spirited arguments back and forth on that before you made such a stupid and bigoted statement haven't you? And my, aren't you being critical of a church of 300 million that is 2,000 years old, that your prophet, while plagiarizing most of the Great Controversy made a calculated decision to completely avoid mentioning it. And of course you can judge Eastern Orthodoxy and the First Century Christian Martyrs from your luxurious couch. And you can fantasize about the persecution that your false prophet predicted. While you are at it, why don't criticize Eastern Orthodoxy for the way they handled THIS:

http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm
 
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