The order of fossils in the geological column

[PsychoSarah]

I think one of the byproducts of the Rapture will be a removal of our phobias.

No more pain, no more sorrow, no more sickness, no glasses, no canes, no meds (including Thalidomide), no child abuse, no deadbeat dads being venerated as "enlightened," and ... are you ready for this?

No clipboards or pocket protectors!

I'm sure you get the picture.

If heaven is against learning, I am cool with going to hell. Besides, if there are humans in heaven, and humans are imperfect, then heaven itself would be imperfect. There might be a lot of annoying people there.

 

[AV1611VET]

If heaven is against learning, I am cool with going to hell.

Going right to the source of information, are you?

 

[dad]

The hope of ages is us flying? You do realize many humans are afraid of heights, right?

The hope of ages for believers is that Jesus is coming back and we will be with Him forever in an eternal paradise. That will start when He comes to rule the world forever. Of course believers go to be with Him where He is before that time, when they die. We could include that as part of the blessed hope I would think.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The hope of ages for believers is that Jesus is coming back and we will be with Him forever in an eternal paradise.

But doesn't that go against the popular idea of the rapture? Jesus is going to be on earth during those times, not in heaven. Only nonbelievers I thought were going to really get to see the second coming of Jesus?

 

[dad]

But doesn't that go against the popular idea of the rapture? Jesus is going to be on earth during those times, not in heaven. Only nonbelievers I thought were going to really get to see the second coming of Jesus?

No. Jesus will take His people the believers up in the air when He comes. That is before He actually comes back and His feet land here, on the mount of Olives. When He returns to land on the same mountain He departed from, His saints will come with Him! We are all coming back here to rule!

At that time, there will also be plenty of new believers who got saved since the Rapture some years earlier. Many Christians feel that this will be the greatest harvest in history...the most number of people saved..after the Rapture! Those that believe when He finally returns in the clouds of heaven, at the end of the Tribulation period, He will rescue, and those that fight Him He will utterly and finally destroy.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. Jesus will take His people the believers up in the air when He comes. That is before He actually comes back and His feet land here, on the mount of Olives. When He returns to land on the same mountain He departed from, His saints will come with Him! We are all coming back here to rule!

At that time, there will also be plenty of new believers who got saved since the Rapture some years earlier. Many Christians feel that this will be the greatest harvest in history...the most number of people saved..after the Rapture! Those that believe when He finally returns in the clouds of heaven, at the end of the Tribulation period, He will rescue, and those that fight Him He will utterly and finally destroy.

Well, it makes sense that a lot of people would start being believers after witnessing the rapture. I'd say it would be hard not to believe.

 

[dad]

Well, it makes sense that a lot of people would start being believers after witnessing the rapture. I'd say it would be hard not to believe.

Alrighty then...you are getting some focus on what the bible actually teaches about this.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Alrighty then...you are getting some focus on what the bible actually teaches about this.

However, one would think that after such proof was presented, there would be some stupid rule stating it was too late, those that didn't believe before hand were doomed to hell or something.

 

[dad]

However, one would think that after such proof was presented, there would be some stupid rule stating it was too late, those that didn't believe before hand were doomed to hell or something.

The witnesses and even angels keep on preaching till we get very very close to the day He comes. One principle in Salvation and the mercy of God is this.. 'The first shall be last, and the last first..'

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You need to fit things supposed to be related to the flood with when Noah lived. Since he was a contemporary with Abraham, it isn't very mystical.

Not sure what you mean???

 

[Messy]

Does the order of the fossils found, from lowest to highest, equate to what Darwinists (or Neo-Darwinists if preferred) would expect to find. Can they therefore say that the order of fossils that we would expect to find from the Noachian flood is inconsistent with the reality?

Sediments, Fossils, and Noah'Flood. NOT!
When Noah's flood occurred, the Scriptures say the waters of the flood covered the tops of the mountains, so the present-day mountains already existed:

"And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."
(Gen 7:18-20 KJV)

Geologic Fact: Portions of most of the Earth's mountain ranges are composed of sedimentary strata or metamorphosed sediments which contain fossils (the evidence of living creatures long since dead and buried). Three examples are the Appalachian mountain range of the eastern United States (one of the older ones), the Alps of Europe and the Himalayas (one of the younger ones). The sedimentary layers that were uplifted to form these great mountain ranges are many thousands of feet thick in places and well above sea level today. In many places, especially in the older Appalachian range, angular unconformities abound, showing where ancient sediments have been tilted and partially eroded, with newer more horizontal sediments being deposited atop the tilted erosion contact surface.

If these mountains existed before Noah's flood (which the Bible says they did), and these mountains were formed from uplifted sediments containing fossils (go climb a mountain and see them with your own eyes), then the creatures that these fossils came from all died sometime long BEFORE the great flood.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sediments, Fossils, and Noah'Flood. NOT!
When Noah's flood occurred, the Scriptures say the waters of the flood covered the tops of the mountains, so the present-day mountains already existed:

"And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."
(Gen 7:18-20 KJV)

Geologic Fact: Portions of most of the Earth's mountain ranges are composed of sedimentary strata or metamorphosed sediments which contain fossils (the evidence of living creatures long since dead and buried). Three examples are the Appalachian mountain range of the eastern United States (one of the older ones), the Alps of Europe and the Himalayas (one of the younger ones). The sedimentary layers that were uplifted to form these great mountain ranges are many thousands of feet thick in places and well above sea level today. In many places, especially in the older Appalachian range, angular unconformities abound, showing where ancient sediments have been tilted and partially eroded, with newer more horizontal sediments being deposited atop the tilted erosion contact surface.

If these mountains existed before Noah's flood (which the Bible says they did), and these mountains were formed from uplifted sediments containing fossils (go climb a mountain and see them with your own eyes), then the creatures that these fossils came from all died sometime long BEFORE the great flood.

Excellent link! Supports my contentions that the flood was 'tranquil', left little evidence, was the last in a long history of such floods. Thanks.

 

[Queller]

I'm pleading for the mechanism, not the time scale.

The mechanism you want to use only works on a long time scale.

Also, the uplift of the plateau apart from the rest of the north American plate contradicts your position that the whole thing must rise or fall as one plate.

No, in fact, it doesn't. A hot spot raising only one section of plate is completely within the bounds of what I am talking about.

I like the theory that a 'hot spot' was responsible for the uplift of the plateau.

Which I suppose is possible.

I plead for a larger hot spot under the ocean tailor-made to produce the flood.

"Under the ocean"? The world's oceans comprise 70% of the planets surface area. You would essentially have to have a "hot spot" under the entire crust.

 

[Queller]

Excellent link! Supports my contentions that the flood was 'tranquil', left little evidence, was the last in a long history of such floods. Thanks.

Sorry, but that info doesn't support a tranquil flood at all. You simply do not understand that all the tilting, uplifting, and sinking retired to flood the earth under your model, cannot happen in a gentle, gradual manner, certainly not in the time frame required.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sorry, but that info doesn't support a tranquil flood at all. You simply do not understand that all the tilting, uplifting, and sinking retired to flood the earth under your model, cannot happen in a gentle, gradual manner, certainly not in the time frame required.

You are projecting your model onto my model. My model has the ocean floors bulging gently across a wide area, not erupting violently (that's my model and I'm sticking to it).

 

[Queller]

You are projecting your model onto my model. My model has the ocean floors bulging gently across a wide area, not erupting violently (that's my model and I'm sticking to it).

No, I'm not projecting anything. Your model is physically impossible AND it has no evidence to support it. You can stick to it all you want. After all, the moon landing hoax people stick to their idea in spite of overwhelming evidence too.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, I'm not projecting anything. Your model is physically impossible AND it has no evidence to support it. You can stick to it all you want. After all, the moon landing hoax people stick to their idea in spite of overwhelming evidence too.

You have to understand that I don't believe there is anything 'natural' going on down here. My model of the flood is the way I (currently) think God might have arranged for it happen.

 

[Loudmouth]

You have to understand that I don't believe there is anything 'natural' going on down here. My model of the flood is the way I (currently) think God might have arranged for it happen.

Your model appears to be whatever you want it to be at any given time. It isn't falsifiable, and it is supported by nothing other than your imagination. What you really have is a long list of really lame excuses for rejecting the standard theory in geology.

 

[dad]

When Noah's flood occurred, the Scriptures say the waters of the flood covered the tops of the mountains, so the present-day mountains already existed:

False. Mountains existed in no way need they have been the high uplifted mountains we have now!

 

[bhsmte]

False. Mountains existed in no way need they have been the high uplifted mountains we have now!

Sure, why not.