The order of fossils in the geological column

[Queller]

Sure. Gen 7:17,

"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth."

Sorry that doesn't say that the water took 40 days to REACH the ARK.

Once again you are thinking tsunami. Would a tsunami take forty days to reach the ark?

No, in fact, I am not. When a river breaks its banks, it doesn't do so slowly and gently.

They are if they keep coming in.

Except that tides don't keep coming in, do they?

 

[Queller]

That image was clearly a ship.

So? The Ark WAS a large ship shaped like a box. What do you imagine the Ark looked like?

You haven't shown me that you can properly interpret scripture i.e. your misunderstanding of Exodus 2:3.

Right back at you. You apparently decide that some things are poetic language and some things aren't based solely on whether you need them to be to fit your idea of a "gentle" flood.

While the story contains some poetic language it is far too detailed to be considered mere allegory. That the ark floated above the mountains of Ararat for six months indicates a global flood.

But you have given no reason not to think that "floating above the mountains of Ararat for six months" was poetic language. You are just saying it isn't. That's called special pleading.

 

[bhsmte]

So? The Ark WAS a large ship shaped like a box. What do you imagine the Ark looked like?

Right back at you. You apparently decide that some things are poetic language and some things aren't based solely on whether you need them to be to fit your idea of a "gentle" flood.

But you have given no reason not to think that "floating above the mountains of Ararat for six months" was poetic language. You are just saying it isn't. That's called special pleading.

You gotta love it when these writers broke into "poetic language" periodically and then they get their wits back and talk literally.

 

[lasthero]

If there was a tree, and Noah sent out a bird to find plants, it would find it.

How do you know? I'm pretty sure it would take any bird a very long time to search the entire planet.

If we assume that the continental separation was later,

Why should we assume that?

 

[dad]

You gotta love it when these writers broke into "poetic language" periodically and then they get their wits back and talk literally.

Don't assign the blame for your lack of comprehension to some acid trip like mental swings of the prophets!

 

[dad]

How do you know? I'm pretty sure it would take any bird a very long time to search the entire planet.

Birds can't fly that far in a week. It had to be close enough to get to in about 3 1/2 days or so.

Why should we assume that?

I would assume it because there are several things science knows that lead in that direction. Migration of animals and plants for example. There is also the timing of Scripture, where many feel that this division was in the days of peleg. There is also mountain building and uplift that doesn't fit the bible any other way..etc.

 

[bhsmte]

Don't assign the blame for your lack of comprehension to some acid trip like mental swings of the prophets!

Funny.

 

[lasthero]

Birds can't fly that far in a week. It had to be close enough to get to in about 3 1/2 days or so.

I'm pretty sure the average bird can't fly more than a few hours non-stop, especially without food or water. Flight takes a lot of energy

I would assume it because there are several things science knows that lead in that direction.

But your signature says that all models of science are wrong. So, why do you assume this is an exception?

 

[bhsmte]

I'm pretty sure the average bird can't fly more than a few hours non-stop, especially without food or water. Flight takes a lot of energy



But your signature says that all models of science are wrong. So, why do you assume this is an exception?

Because he shook his magic 8 ball and it said; that science was ok.

 

[dad]

I'm pretty sure the average bird can't fly more than a few hours non-stop, especially without food or water. Flight takes a lot of energy

?


"Most Mourning Doves migrate along flyways over land. On rare occasions, mourning doves have been seen flying over the Gulf of Mexico; but this is exceptional."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourning_Dove#Migration

"The Gulf measures approximately 1,600 kilometers from east to west, 900 kilometers from north to south,.."

GulfBase - General Facts about the Gulf of Mexico


It is easy to see how a dove could get to what is now Israel from where the ark landed, before the continental separation!!

But your signature says that all models of science are wrong. So, why do you assume this is an exception?

Let's take science as far as it can really go, and accept what is actually known shall we??

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sorry that doesn't say that the water took 40 days to REACH the ARK.

It says what it says, that the flood was on the earth for forty days and the ark was lifted up. It's a clear timeline. The flood began when the rain started and the fountains of the deep were broken up. Forty days later the main floodwater reached and floated the ark. Several assumptions are evident, one being the probable location of the ark building site (based on the best method and routes to transport building materials). By calculating the elevation of that site and the forty days time during which the water advanced the speed of the incoming water can be calculated.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So? The Ark WAS a large ship shaped like a box. What do you imagine the Ark looked like?

By definition a 'ship' must be able to navigate. The ark lacked this critical feature. I envision it like a very large building that floated. It's structure would not resemble a boat or ship in any way.

I have seen videos of buildings being swept away by floods and never once mistook them for boats.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Calling the Ark "magic" and God an "it" is like saying, "She's a wonder drug" when referring to Thalidomide.

Stating that a being which is making water rise against gravity isn't using some kind of magic like power is ridiculous. Unless you think god built a machine to do it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Stating that a being which is making water rise against gravity isn't using some kind of magic like power is ridiculous.

How about calling making water rise against gravity a "miracle"? or even making people rise against gravity, as at the Rapture?

 

[PsychoSarah]

How about calling making water rise against gravity a "miracle"? or even making people rise against gravity, as at the Rapture?

How is a miracle different than using magic? And the massive death of many people isn't so much a miracle to me as it would be a disaster. Sure, you don't think of the pain and suffering that would mean for the majority of people on earth, I guess you don't care about the families that will be torn apart.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is a miracle different than using magic?

Magic is done with smoke and mirrors.

And the massive death of many people isn't so much a miracle to me as it would be a disaster. Sure, you don't think of the pain and suffering that would mean for the majority of people on earth, I guess you don't care about the families that will be torn apart.

Nice.

A genuine ad hominem following a legitimate question.

Kinda like riders.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Magic is done with smoke and mirrors.

Nice.

A genuine ad hominem following a legitimate question.

Kinda like riders.

I am not talking about magician magic when I say magic, I mean real magic, which is essentially manipulating matter and energy in seemingly impossible ways, which is what god does as far as I can tell.

Also, miracle as a word suggests it is a good thing. For all you know the rapture will lead you to becoming a mindless zombie devouring the flesh of nonbelievers until someone finally puts you out of your misery. Or it could be like a holocaust of all the religious people, dying slowly and miserably over the course of years. Then again, the rapture was basically a concept made by Christians who wanted to be exempt for all the suffering that is going to follow the return of Jesus.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But you have given no reason not to think that "floating above the mountains of Ararat for six months" was poetic language. You are just saying it isn't. That's called special pleading.

Poetic language is often used to describe actual events. In fact our language is riddled with colorful figures of speech that describe everyday happenings.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Poetic language is often used to describe actual events. In fact our language is riddled with colorful figures of speech that describe everyday happenings.

It existed in the past, yes. That's why the number 40 pops up so much in measures of time. It is basically like saying something "took a reality long time" when the number 40 is used to measure that time.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am not talking about magician magic when I say magic, I mean real magic, which is essentially manipulating matter and energy in seemingly impossible ways, which is what god does as far as I can tell.

That kind of "magic" is diabolical mimicry for "miracles."

Also, miracle as a word suggests it is a good thing.

That's why context is so important.

For all you know the rapture will lead you to becoming a mindless zombie devouring the flesh of nonbelievers until someone finally puts you out of your misery. Or it could be like a holocaust of all the religious people, dying slowly and miserably over the course of years.

You bring up another point.

Those who call it magic usually are prone to interpret things in such fashion.

Then again, the rapture was basically a concept made by Christians who wanted to be exempt for all the suffering that is going to follow the return of Jesus.

The Rapture is considered our "blessed hope" ...

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Unless, of course, some psychonaut wants to turn it into something it isn't.