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Is the fourth commandment done away with? (Moved)

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Being Sunday I clearly misspoke.
Friday and Saturday respectively.
It's been a long day. :blush: Were I in observance of Sabbath today I would not be online.

You may believe as you choose to per the prior mentioned council's order.
As for me, I obey God and his Sabbath, which Jesus did not revoke.
Please explain why there is no mention of Jesus and the Sabbath together after the resurrection.
 
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Please explain why there is no mention of Jesus and the Sabbath together after the resurrection.

There is no mention of the 3rd commandment in all of the NT - is that because it is "ok to take God's name in vain" ??

There is no mention of "Love God with all your heart" in Acts 15 -- is that because the Gentiles were not supposed to love God??

Those who come up with these little puzzles - are distancing themselves from the Bible -- at a level that all can see.

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We all noticed how the sources below - all affirm the TEN Commandments (ALL TEN) for the saints today.

I can't be blamed for the fact that these pro-sunday groups denounce the idea of war against God's Ten Commandments including your opposition to the 4th commandment.

Which is exactly what I have said about them - as we saw here - #149 with the 7 point list that they always affirm. (The same seven point list that we also find here -- #2)

And here #150 -- with an example of D.L. Moody affirming those very same 7 points

And of Course here - #67 where the Baptist Confession of faith affirms those very same 7 points.

And now we have this post #152 where the BCF language about the "CHANGE" to the still binding 4th commandment is being claimed.

And of course even the Catholics seem to love all SEVEN of the primary Baptist Confession of Faith points on the TEN commandments. #167

Seven points - where ALL those at war with God's Ten Commandments - find themselves at war with all 7 points listed.

From-Scratch -- As it turns out - "details matter" when in a debate discussion.

And all of them admit that the moral law of God is at the heart of the Jer 31:31-33 "New Covenant"

In the mean time even the pro-Sunday sources below denounce the war on God's Ten Commandments.

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What "seven points"?? --


[FONT=&quot]1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross[FONT=&quot].


I don't claim to agree with all 7 of the points that the BCF is making - only 6 out of the 7 do I agree with.

But there are many on this board who are at war with all 7.
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There is no mention of the 3rd commandment in all of the NT - is that because it is "ok to take God's name in vain" ??

There is no mention of "Love God with all your heart" in Acts 15 -- is that because the Gentiles were not supposed to love God??

Those who come up with these little puzzles - are distancing themselves from the Bible -- at a level that all can see.

in Christ,

Bob
What's this off the wall stuff? and where did it come from? While we're at it please explain what it has to with the Sabbath.
 
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from Scratch starts an off the wall line of argument

Please explain why there is no mention of Jesus and the Sabbath together after the resurrection.

There is no mention of the 3rd commandment in all of the NT - is that because it is "ok to take God's name in vain" ??

There is no mention of "Love God with all your heart" in Acts 15 -- is that because the Gentiles were not supposed to love God??

Those who come up with these little puzzles - are distancing themselves from the Bible -- at a level that all can see.

Then questions his own tactic

What's this off the wall stuff? and where did it come from? ...

How telling.

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What's this off the wall stuff? and where did it come from? While we're at it please explain what it has to with the Sabbath.

The focus on the Ten Commandments on these threads is an act of willful diversionary deception, that is replayed thousands of times in thousands of locations every day. Even someone as skilled as Walter Martin was conned big time in an extremely well-choreographed and organized wave of deception. Adventism temporarily pulled out the stops to avoid the "cult" label, which would have been devastating. It even published a extraordinarily deceptive book to snow Martin called "Questions on Doctrine." which was temporarily in print, to get Martin off their back. Martin was constantly pressing them for obvious abandonment of the Book aftr its deceitful purpose was accomplished.

That's why when Bob deceptively insists on their "Fundamental Beliefs," it is a skillful and deceitful diversionary tactic. The FB in no way honestly reflect what their REAL beliefs are. That's why when I posted the bizarre and insane Ellen White quote, where she literally deified the Ten Commandments into God, he deceptively doesn't answer or respond. That's the reason every single post of his is about the Ten Commandments: There simply is NOTHING even close to the importance of them. The Ten Commandments FAR FAR outstrip Jesus Christ, the Cross and the Resurrection in importance. Jesus is basically Satan's brother, and they are equally powerful and equally important. For over 100 years after the founding of the cult, outright heretical Arianism was taught. That has been replaced by a deceptive "Tri-theism" that grudgingly recognizes the Divinity of Christ without taking too much focus off of the Ten Commandments.

THAT'S the deceitful reason for the mono-focus on the Sabbath. Virtually NOTHING was accomplished on the Cross and with the Resurrection. THAT'S why little kids are discouraged from even having a few jelly beans on Easter. Jesus's primary purpose on earth was to restore the Sabbath, after it had been "corrupted" by rules and regulations and "man-made" interpretations. ANYTHING that points out that Christians from virtually the first Sunday after the Resurrection changed their Day of Worship is deceitfully ignored or dishonestly downplayed. Jesus's crucifixion is something we are to emulate with perfect Sabbath Keeping and vegetarianism. Adventism in reality is the slow drip of Chinese water torture, a slow death by a thousand cuts. It is very very depressing.

Why this is allowed on a Christian web site just baffles me. Plainly, the Apostles pulled out the stops to condemn both the First Century Judaizing heresy, and the Second century Ebionite heresy, which are both virtually identical to Adventism.

I am glad the following authorities stand for precisely the OPPOSITE of what is deceitfully-misrepresented by the Sabbath Spam Posters. All of these authorities actually RENOUNCE 7th Day Sabbath Keeping and support the Christian view that has been condemning the Ebionite and Judaizing heresies for the last 2,000 years. The Sabbath spammers are so embarrassed and humiliated by their own "Prophet" and her unbiblical "vision" about the 4th Commandment that they deceitfully use the following sources instead. The following sources would be horrified and outraged to know that they were being used in such a deceptive manner:

Baptist Confession of Faith
"From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

Westminster Confession of Faith
"As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
Westminster Confession of Faith

DWIGHT MOODY

"When I was a boy, the Sabbath lasted from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday....."
....
"A man ought to turn aside from his ordinary employment one day in seven. There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath."
.....
"A Christian man was once urged by his employer to work on Sunday. "Does not your Bible say that if your ass falls into a pit on the Sabbath you may pull him out?"

"If working men got up a strike for no work on Sunday, they would have the sympathy of a good many."
How Shall We Spend the Sabbath? by Dwight L. Moody

R.C Sproul

"And whatever was temporary about the Mosaic Sabbath must be left behind as the reality of the intimate communion of the Adamic Sabbath is again experienced in our worship of the risen Savior on the first day of the week — the Lord’s Day.

MATHEW HENRY

"The day and time in which he had this vision: it was the Lord’s day, the day which Christ had separated and set apart for himself, as the eucharist is called the Lord’s supper. Surely this can be no other than the Christian Sabbath, the first day of the week, to be observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him our Lord honour him on his own day, the day which the Lord hath made and in which we ought to rejoice."
The Sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday?

THOMAS WATSON

"Our Christian Sabbath comes in the room of the Jewish Sabbath: it is called the Lord's day, Rev. i.10. from Christ the author of it. Our Sabbath is altered by Christ's own appointment. He arose this day out of the grave, and appeared on it often to His disciples, 1 Cor. xvi. 1: to intimate to them (saith Athanasius) that he transferred the Sabbath to the Lord's day. And St. Austin saith that by Christ's rising on the first day of the week, it was consecrated to be the Christian Sabbath, in remembrance of his resurrection.

The Christian Soldier by Thomas Watson - Part 6 - by sanctifying the Lord' Day and holy conversation


CATHOLIC CATECHISM
2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior.
Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist[/ur
 
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The focus on the Ten Commandments on these threads is an act of willful diversionary deception,...<factless rant deleted here to spare the readers>...

interesting that you would say that on this area of the board dedicated to discussing the Law of God.

I am sure this is "instructive" to the unbiased objective Bible students.

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CATHOLIC CATECHISM
2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

You quote Catholic sources - as if you never read them. Yet they make "the 7 point list" you are so at war against.




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You quote Catholic sources? They sure do love those SEVEN points from post #2

Wonderful! Me too!

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2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29


(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.




Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.






The two views state their positions as “The Catholic church fully endorses the Sabbath commandment as edited by the Catholic Church" vs "the Catholic church fully endorsed the Sabbath commandment as worded by God at Sinai"
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The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
====================begin short summary
changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".


page 243

"Nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"



====================================== begin expanded quote
. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243.))

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we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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You quote Catholic sources - as if you never read them. Yet they make "the 7 point list" you are so at war against.
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I can sympathies with the horror that you must feel about the Truth, but your REAL "source" for your total fixation and worship of the Ten Commandment tablets does not come from the Protestant preachers that you deceitfully cite. The Catholic Catechism is not the source of your Ten Commandment worship. They had NOTHING to do with your sect's restoration of the Ebionite/Judaizing heresy. What appalls you and revolts you is the true source of your Ten Commandments worship. It is the name you are simply too embarrassed to admit or acknowledge. Your TRUE source for your heretical obsession and worship of the Ten Commandments was a brain-damaged, desperately mentally ill woman barely past puberty that probably had epileptic seizures that caused her bizarre and insane "visions." You are extremely embarrassed by this, because it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the founder of your Church was a pathological liar, an inveterate thief who stole 90 percent or more of what she wrote, and a horrific False Prophet. Here are the actual incredibly dishonest and deceitful words that are the source of your discredited anti-Christian heresy:

"E.G. White stated, “The holy Sabbath looked glorious- a halo of glory was all around it."(Early Writings of E.G. White, p. 33, also Desire of the Ages p.763)

“I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious[bless and do not curse] a halo of glory was all around it." (Early Writings of Ellen G. White, page 33, Official Adventist publication)

These are the words of an obviously extremely mentally ill woman and the founder of your Church. THAT is your source. Quit being so embarrassed and appalled about your REAL source.

I am glad the following authorities stand for precisely the OPPOSITE of what is deceitfully-misrepresented by the Sabbath Spam Posters. All of these authorities actually RENOUNCE 7th Day Sabbath Keeping and support the Christian view that has been condemning the Ebionite and Judaizing heresies for the last 2,000 years. The Sabbath spammers are so embarrassed and humiliated by their own "Prophet" and her unbiblical "vision" about the 4th Commandment that they deceitfully use the following sources instead. The following sources would be horrified and outraged to know that they were being used in such a deceptive manner:

Baptist Confession of Faith
"From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

Westminster Confession of Faith
"As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
Westminster Confession of Faith

DWIGHT MOODY

"When I was a boy, the Sabbath lasted from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday....."
....
"A man ought to turn aside from his ordinary employment one day in seven. There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath."
.....
"A Christian man was once urged by his employer to work on Sunday. "Does not your Bible say that if your ass falls into a pit on the Sabbath you may pull him out?"

"If working men got up a strike for no work on Sunday, they would have the sympathy of a good many."
How Shall We Spend the Sabbath? by Dwight L. Moody

R.C Sproul

"And whatever was temporary about the Mosaic Sabbath must be left behind as the reality of the intimate communion of the Adamic Sabbath is again experienced in our worship of the risen Savior on the first day of the week — the Lord’s Day.

MATHEW HENRY

"The day and time in which he had this vision: it was the Lord’s day, the day which Christ had separated and set apart for himself, as the eucharist is called the Lord’s supper. Surely this can be no other than the Christian Sabbath, the first day of the week, to be observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him our Lord honour him on his own day, the day which the Lord hath made and in which we ought to rejoice."
The Sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday?

THOMAS WATSON

"Our Christian Sabbath comes in the room of the Jewish Sabbath: it is called the Lord's day, Rev. i.10. from Christ the author of it. Our Sabbath is altered by Christ's own appointment. He arose this day out of the grave, and appeared on it often to His disciples, 1 Cor. xvi. 1: to intimate to them (saith Athanasius) that he transferred the Sabbath to the Lord's day. And St. Austin saith that by Christ's rising on the first day of the week, it was consecrated to be the Christian Sabbath, in remembrance of his resurrection.

The Christian Soldier by Thomas Watson - Part 6 - by sanctifying the Lord' Day and holy conversation


CATHOLIC CATECHISM
2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior.
Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist
 
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interesting that you would say that on this area of the board dedicated to discussing the Law of God.

I am sure this is "instructive" to the unbiased objective Bible students.

in Christ,

Bob

I can sympathies with the horror that you must feel about the Truth, but your REAL "source" for your total fixation and worship of the Ten Commandment tablets does not come from the Protestant preachers that you deceitfully cite. Nor did the Catholic Catechism. They had NOTHING to do with your sect's horrifying restoration of the Ebionite/Judaizing heresy. What appalls you and revolts you is the true source of your Ten Commandments worship. It is the name you are simply too embarrassed to admit or acknowledge. Your TRUE source for your heretical obsession and worship of the Ten Commandments was a brain-damaged, desperately mentally ill woman barely past puberty that probably had epileptic seizures that caused her bizarre and insane "visions." You are extremely embarrassed by this, because it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the founder of your Church was a pathological liar, an inveterate thief who stole 90 percent or more of what she wrote, and a horrific False Prophet. Here are the actual incredibly dishonest and deceitful words that are the source of your discredited anti-Christian heresy:

"E.G. White stated, “The holy Sabbath looked glorious- a halo of glory was all around it."(Early Writings of E.G. White, p. 33, also Desire of the Ages p.763)

“I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious[bless and do not curse] a halo of glory was all around it." (Early Writings of Ellen G. White, page 33, Official Adventist publication)

These are the words of an obviously extremely mentally ill woman and the founder of your Church. THAT is your source. Quit being so embarrassed and appalled about your REAL source.

I am glad the following authorities stand for precisely the OPPOSITE of what is deceitfully-misrepresented by the Sabbath Spam Posters. All of these authorities actually RENOUNCE 7th Day Sabbath Keeping and support the Christian view that has been condemning the Ebionite and Judaizing heresies for the last 2,000 years. The Sabbath spammers are so embarrassed and humiliated by their own "Prophet" and her unbiblical "vision" about the 4th Commandment that they deceitfully use the following sources instead. The following sources would be horrified and outraged to know that they were being used in such a deceptive manner:

Baptist Confession of Faith
"From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

Westminster Confession of Faith
"As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
Westminster Confession of Faith

DWIGHT MOODY

"When I was a boy, the Sabbath lasted from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday....."
....
"A man ought to turn aside from his ordinary employment one day in seven. There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath."
.....
"A Christian man was once urged by his employer to work on Sunday. "Does not your Bible say that if your ass falls into a pit on the Sabbath you may pull him out?"

"If working men got up a strike for no work on Sunday, they would have the sympathy of a good many."
How Shall We Spend the Sabbath? by Dwight L. Moody

R.C Sproul

"And whatever was temporary about the Mosaic Sabbath must be left behind as the reality of the intimate communion of the Adamic Sabbath is again experienced in our worship of the risen Savior on the first day of the week — the Lord’s Day.

MATHEW HENRY

"The day and time in which he had this vision: it was the Lord’s day, the day which Christ had separated and set apart for himself, as the eucharist is called the Lord’s supper. Surely this can be no other than the Christian Sabbath, the first day of the week, to be observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him our Lord honour him on his own day, the day which the Lord hath made and in which we ought to rejoice."
The Sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday?

THOMAS WATSON

"Our Christian Sabbath comes in the room of the Jewish Sabbath: it is called the Lord's day, Rev. i.10. from Christ the author of it. Our Sabbath is altered by Christ's own appointment. He arose this day out of the grave, and appeared on it often to His disciples, 1 Cor. xvi. 1: to intimate to them (saith Athanasius) that he transferred the Sabbath to the Lord's day. And St. Austin saith that by Christ's rising on the first day of the week, it was consecrated to be the Christian Sabbath, in remembrance of his resurrection.

The Christian Soldier by Thomas Watson - Part 6 - by sanctifying the Lord' Day and holy conversation
 
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The focus on the Ten Commandments on these threads is an act of willful diversionary deception, that is replayed thousands of times in thousands of locations every day. Even someone as skilled as Walter Martin was conned big time in an extremely well-choreographed and organized wave of deception. Adventism temporarily pulled out the stops to avoid the "cult" label, which would have been devastating. It even published a extraordinarily deceptive book to snow Martin called "Questions on Doctrine." which was temporarily in print, to get Martin off their back. Martin was constantly pressing them for obvious abandonment of the Book aftr its deceitful purpose was accomplished.

That's why when Bob deceptively insists on their "Fundamental Beliefs," it is a skillful and deceitful diversionary tactic. The FB in no way honestly reflect what their REAL beliefs are. That's why when I posted the bizarre and insane Ellen White quote, where she literally deified the Ten Commandments into God, he deceptively doesn't answer or respond. That's the reason every single post of his is about the Ten Commandments: There simply is NOTHING even close to the importance of them. The Ten Commandments FAR FAR outstrip Jesus Christ, the Cross and the Resurrection in importance. Jesus is basically Satan's brother, and they are equally powerful and equally important. For over 100 years after the founding of the cult, outright heretical Arianism was taught. That has been replaced by a deceptive "Tri-theism" that grudgingly recognizes the Divinity of Christ without taking too much focus off of the Ten Commandments.

THAT'S the deceitful reason for the mono-focus on the Sabbath. Virtually NOTHING was accomplished on the Cross and with the Resurrection. THAT'S why little kids are discouraged from even having a few jelly beans on Easter. Jesus's primary purpose on earth was to restore the Sabbath, after it had been "corrupted" by rules and regulations and "man-made" interpretations. ANYTHING that points out that Christians from virtually the first Sunday after the Resurrection changed their Day of Worship is deceitfully ignored or dishonestly downplayed. Jesus's crucifixion is something we are to emulate with perfect Sabbath Keeping and vegetarianism. Adventism in reality is the slow drip of Chinese water torture, a slow death by a thousand cuts. It is very very depressing.
And they still teach and practice out right Arianism in spite of their Tri-theistic statement in the FB's. Just read the forum for proof. Of course one has to understand what is really being said.
 
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BobRyan said:
from Scratch starts an off the wall line of argument



Please explain why there is no mention of Jesus and the Sabbath together after the resurrection.

There is no mention of the 3rd commandment in all of the NT - is that because it is "ok to take God's name in vain" ??

There is no mention of "Love God with all your heart" in Acts 15 -- is that because the Gentiles were not supposed to love God??

Those who come up with these little puzzles - are distancing themselves from the Bible -- at a level that all can see.
Then questions his own tactic

What's this off the wall stuff? and where did it come from? ...

How telling.
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Maybe you should edit your post. I've no idea what the 3rd commandment has to do with anything. I'm not RCC and you always talk about the 4th.

As we both know - the 3rd commandment speaks of not taking God's name in vain in my Bible just as it does in yours.

Catholic teaching not needed for this point.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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Refute that rant.

Easily done.

1. First Larry opens with classic "factless Larry rant" which must be deleted for the sake of the reader. #628

2. Then he unwittingly makes my case for point 7 (of the 7 point list #2 ) for pro-Sunday sources BCF and WCF. #182


3. Then he makes the case for all 7 of those points by pointing us to RCC sources #186 as if he had never read the RCC position on this subject.


4. Then FromScratch argues that a verbatim quote from D.L. Moody's major point on the 4th commandment is "misleading" simply because Moody is making all 7 of the points in my list. #741


5. Even ProgMonk cannot make the case stick that the term "Sabbath" in the NT does not apply to "week-day-1" #184

then they suppose that by repeating these flawed tactics "often" it will befuddle someone who is an objective Bible student.

Who goes for such tactics?.

Then we have the argument that attacking Ellen White would solve the logical fallacies in their arguments as listed above even though they know full well that the pro-Sunday sources arguing in favor of the continued 4th Commandment binding on the saints today - are not making an appeal to the writings of Ellen White. #744
 
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Easily done.

1. First Larry opens with classic "factless Larry rant" which must be deleted for the sake of the reader. #628

2. Then he unwittingly makes my case for point 7 (of the 7 point list #2 ) for pro-Sunday sources BCF and WCF. #182


3. Then he makes the case for all 7 of those points by pointing us to RCC sources #186 as if he had never read the RCC position on this subject.


4. Then FromScratch argues that a verbatim quote from D.L. Moody's major point on the 4th commandment is "misleading" simply because Moody is making all 7 of the points in my list. #741


5. Even ProgMonk cannot make the case stick that the term "Sabbath" in the NT does not apply to "week-day-1" #184

then they suppose that by repeating these flawed tactics "often" it will befuddle someone who is an objective Bible student.

Who goes for such tactics?.

Then we have the argument that attacking Ellen White would solve the logical fallacies in their arguments as listed above even though they know full well that the pro-Sunday sources arguing in favor of the continued 4th Commandment binding on the saints today - are not making an appeal to the writings of Ellen White. #744

My aren't you being particularly slippery and deceptive today! You have made worship of the 4th Commandment, blatantly in Opposition Christianity's focus on the Resurrection. You need to honestly disclose your sources.

I will post the questions again, and let's see if we can get some answers here....

Were the Protestant Ministers and the Catholic Catechism that you frequently cite the Source for your Church&#8217;s doctrine of the Sabbath? ________YES___________NO

Was Ellen G. White the source for your Church&#8217;s Sabbath Doctrine? ________YES___________NO

Is this an accurate quote that describes Ellen G. White&#8217;s views on the Sabbath?: &#8220;The holy Sabbath looked glorious- a halo of glory was all around it." ________YES___________NO

Did this quote have More or Less influence on your Church&#8217;s Sabbath Doctrine than the Protestant Ministers and other sources that you Cite? ___________MORE_____________LESS

Is this an accurate quote that describes Ellen G. White&#8217;s views on the Sabbath? ________YES___________NO.
&#8220;I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious[bless and do not curse] a halo of glory was all around it."

Did this quote have More or Less influence on your Church&#8217;s Sabbath Doctrine than the Protestant Ministers and other sources that you Cite? ___________MORE_____________

Its just remarkable and amazing that such anti-Christian heresy coupled with so much willful deception is allowed on a Christian site. One of the things I think we CAN agree on is that NONE of the alleged "sources" for your 4th Commandment worship were available to, or quoted by your nutso founding Prophet. I did some searches last night, and I can find NOTHING that indicates that ANY of your "sources" had the slightest effect whatsoever on your Church's foundation of 4th Commandment worship, and outright rejection and emphatic rejection of the Resurrection. You deceptively-use respectable Christian sources to deceitfully disguise the guts of your recruiting effort. You "sink the hook" in using respectable Christians, and the insanity of the Investigative Judgment, Salvation by Sabbath Keeping and Vegetarianism and the Insane Prophet are disclosed later, right?
 
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interesting that you would say that on this area of the board dedicated to discussing the Law of God.

I am sure this is "instructive" to the unbiased objective Bible students.

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Bob
What? Is the deleted the subject of your post? It must be. I invite te reader to go bck and read the deleted material and comment.
 
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from Scratch starts an off the wall line of argument



Then questions his own tactic



How telling.

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No sir. The subject of discussion is the Sabbath. Israel had plenty of trouble with it and suffered much pain. In the New Testament we don't have any such problem with the Sabbath. There isn't any emphasis placed on the Sabbath like we find in the Old Testament. No one is punished for not keeping the Sabbath in the New Testament. In fact the teaching is to say nothing to those who don't keep it.

But you suddenly wish to discuss the 3rd commandment for some reason. Why? You didn't refute nor respond to what I said. You did quote and post about something else.
 
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