A Pondering of the Peculiar (4)

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, His Person is in us. His person is also shown in Scripture. We have yet to see Him in body, but He promises we will.

I am concerned that people might fake his return to take advantage of people

 

[Subduction Zone]

We are the walking lab. He works.

How so?

Christians are no better than most people and much worse than many. The evidence does not support your claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am concerned that people might fake his return to take advantage of people

That has already happened many times:

List of people claimed to be Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PsychoSarah]

That has already happened many times:

List of people claimed to be Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was aware of some of those, but I didn't realize there were so many

 

[GenemZ]

Someone didn't do their homework.

The fact is that I already showed you why the prophecy applies only to Nebby. Nebby was the "many nations".

The part about Alexander the Great? It describes weaponry that did not exist in Ezekiel's day. It was prophesy. Prophesy often times foresaw what was not known in the day it was given. For example, Psalm 22 describes crucifixion. When the prophesy was given it was not a method yet used for execution.

Nebuchadnezzar was a contemporary of Ezekiel, not Alexander the Great who appeared later on. The weaponry of Alexander the Great took Tyre by surprise. Until then Tyre was unbeatable. That is why Nebuchadnezzar could not fully take over Tyre in his day.

Siege of Tyre - Alexander the Great Siege of Tyre

Ezekiel 26:9
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"And he shall set engines of war against your walls and with his axes he shall break down your towers."


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That was not the way it happened with Nebuchadnezzar!


Alexander invented catapults that could throw a 200 lb rock a half mile at and over the walls. Up till then, the Rock of Tyre had been impenetrable. Ezekiel 26:9 could be used to mean battering rams, mehhi qaballo, "a striking of that which is in front," could mean battering ram, or balista, or catapult; "he shall set an apparatus for striking against thy walls"

There was no way any battering rams could have been used against the walls of Tyre. For it was surrounded by very deep waters. Alexander had invented powerful catapults ... which was what was used in his siege of Tyre. Neb had no such weaponry.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The part about Alexander the Great? It describes weaponry that did not exist in Ezekiel's day. It was prophesy. Prophesy often times foresaw what was not known in the day it was given. For example, Psalm 22 describes crucifixion. When the prophesy was given it was not a method yet used for execution.

Nebuchadnezzar was a contemporary of Ezekiel, not Alexander the Great who appeared later on. The weaponry of Alexander the Great took Tyre by surprise. Until then Tyre was unbeatable. That is why Nebuchadnezzar could not fully take over Tyre in his day.

Siege of Tyre - Alexander the Great Siege of Tyre

Ezekiel 26:9
​

"And he shall set engines of war against your walls and with his axes he shall break down your towers."


​

That was not the way it happened with Nebuchadnezzar!


Alexander invented catapults that could throw a 200 lb rock a half mile at and over the walls. Up till then, the Rock of Tyre had been impenetrable. Ezekiel 26:9 could be used to mean battering rams, mehhi qaballo, "a striking of that which is in front," could mean battering ram, or balista, or catapult; "he shall set an apparatus for striking against thy walls"

There was no way any battering rams could have been used against the walls of Tyre. For it was surrounded by very deep waters. Alexander had invented powerful catapults ... which was what was used in his siege of Tyre. Neb had no such weaponry.

Sorry, you can't claim that without evidence. Chariots were "engines of war". Are you saying that Nebby did not have chariots? And where is your evidence that Alex had a half a mile catapult? I think you are not telling the truth.

Let's see. You need to show what evidence there is that there were no "engines of war" used by Nebby, and remember "engines of war" is not limited to catapults. Second, you need evidence of a Alex owning a "half a mile catapult". Third you still fail because Alex only defeated Tyre. He did not destroy the island and scrape it bare.

So even if you can show that Alexander the Great had all of those capabilities and Nebby did not you still lose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is an article that shows "engines of war" did not necessarily mean catapults, and Nebby had them too:

How the King of Babylon Took Jerusalem and Burnt the Temple and Removed the People of Jerusalem and Zedekiah to Babylon. As Also, who they Were

 

[Subduction Zone]

So it looks like there is no need for you to do your homework genez, I already did it for you. Nebby had engines of war. In the past such "engines" were put on rafts and used to attack the city. The people of Tyre had developed a "Navy" that would attack those rafts before they got in position. Alexander the Great succeeded because the causeway he built made it a land based battle. The article you supplied even described how they used that to stall Alex until he built the causeway.

 

[GenemZ]

Sorry, you can't claim that without evidence. Chariots were "engines of war".

Odd choice of words, since the Bible always called chariots.. "chariots."

Out of straws yet? I know Jesus is real. That is also a weapon of war. One I can not lose with.

 

[GenemZ]

So it looks like there is no need for you to do your homework genez, I already did it for you. Nebby had engines of war. In the past such "engines" were put on rafts and used to attack the city. The people of Tyre had developed a "Navy" that would attack those rafts before they got in position. Alexander the Great succeeded because the causeway he built made it a land based battle. The article you supplied even described how they used that to stall Alex until he built the causeway.

Oh... now you are saying it does speak of Alexander the Great. Not just Nebby, as you so dogmatically attested to.

Flip flops.. no chops.

 

[Sayre]

When I say personally, I mean you haven't met him in person.

We claim that we have met Him in a real way. As in, a personal encounter. I wouldn't say it was accurate that Christians "haven't met Him".

 

[dad]

I am concerned that people might fake his return to take advantage of people

Relax. Impossible. Let's see you fake the sun going dark and stars falling, and angels flying in the sky, and witnesses calling fire from heaven down to fry antichrist forces in their way, or a third of the water on earth turned to blood, or being unable to buy or sell without the mark in hands or head, or all mountains on earth being flattened first, or hailstones over 100 pounds each, or the dead witnesses rising from the dead on worldwide tv or cable or whatever, and an earthquake the levels every city on earth...need I go on?

We are not going to believe some gay guru claiming to be Christ out in the dessert, or in some secret hiding place..etc. Jesus is coming in the clouds of heaven, and every eye will see Him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Odd choice of words, since the Bible always called chariots.. "chariots."

Out of straws yet? I know Jesus is real. That is also a weapon of war. One I can not lose with.

Did they?

At any rate the article, about a different attack of Nebby's showed that they had "engines of war" too. "Engines of war" is a very general term.

And that was not a straw, far from it.

Try again you have still failed.

Whether or not Jesus was real has no bearing on this debate. Even if he was real that does not help you one whit.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh... now you are saying it does speak of Alexander the Great. Not just Nebby, as you so dogmatically attested to.

Flip flops.. no chops.

No flip flops from me. Again, poor reading comprehension on your part. What makes you think I did that?

The article that I supplied showed that Nebby had "engines of war" too.

The article that you supplied showed how the people of Tyre defended themselves against rafts in the past. Their attack on Alex's rafts was not the first time they did that. Alex figured out a way to neutralize that ability.

And you have still shown yourself to be untruthful with your claim of "catapults that could throw a 200 lb rock a half mile at and over the walls".
In fact, if that was true I don't think Alex would have even needed his causeway. I don't think that Tyre was a whole half a mile off the coast when it was an island.

I will have to check into that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Relax. Impossible. Let's see you fake the sun going dark and stars falling, and angels flying in the sky, and witnesses calling fire from heaven down to fry antichrist forces in their way, or a third of the water on earth turned to blood, or being unable to buy or sell without the mark in hands or head, or all mountains on earth being flattened first, or hailstones over 100 pounds each, or the dead witnesses rising from the dead on worldwide tv or cable or whatever, and an earthquake the levels every city on earth...need I go on?

We are not going to believe some gay guru claiming to be Christ out in the dessert, or in some secret hiding place..etc. Jesus is coming in the clouds of heaven, and every eye will see Him.

But no one saw that. At least no one mentions that myth that is not a Christian.

Or are you talking endtimes nonsense that has not happened yet?

You do know that all of the extraordinary claims of what happened when Jesus was crucified are not recorded in any valid sources, don't you?

 

[dad]

But no one saw that. At least no one mentions that myth that is not a Christian.

Or are you talking endtimes nonsense that has not happened yet?

She asked about potential fake Christs. Before the real One returns, many things will happen, so we can not make any mistake.

You do know that all of the extraordinary claims of what happened when Jesus was crucified are not recorded in any valid sources, don't you?

Like to mouth baseless doubts? The valid source is the bible. Pretending otherwise is a wasted endeavor.


By the way, I see that cattle in Africa came from the fertile crescent


http://www.jordannews.net/index.php...rigin-of-African-cattle-traced-to-Middle-East

 

[Subduction Zone]

She asked about potential fake Christs. Before the real One returns, many things will happen, so we can not make any mistake.

And yet many Christians believe many of those signs have already occurred. The fakes often sell their <bleep!> by claiming when the really obvious signs happen it will be too late.

Like to mouth baseless doubts? The valid source is the bible. Pretending otherwise is a wasted endeavor.

What baseless doubts? Until you show that the Bible is reliable it is not a valid source. That is the simple thing that we have asked for. Just a little evidence.

Is that too much?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Relax. Impossible. Let's see you fake the sun going dark and stars falling, and angels flying in the sky, and witnesses calling fire from heaven down to fry antichrist forces in their way, or a third of the water on earth turned to blood, or being unable to buy or sell without the mark in hands or head, or all mountains on earth being flattened first, or hailstones over 100 pounds each, or the dead witnesses rising from the dead on worldwide tv or cable or whatever, and an earthquake the levels every city on earth...need I go on?

We are not going to believe some gay guru claiming to be Christ out in the dessert, or in some secret hiding place..etc. Jesus is coming in the clouds of heaven, and every eye will see Him.

What's with the gay thing going on in that example dad?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

What's with the gay thing going on in that example dad?

It's called homophobia. It's not explicitly sanctioned here, but your posts get deleted if you say anything that might be construed as support of homosexuality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's called homophobia. It's not explicitly sanctioned here, but your posts get deleted if you say anything that might be construed as support of homosexuality.

I thought that whether or not it was moral in general wasn't allowed?