A Pondering of the Peculiar (4)

[dad]

What are we "supposed to accept as truth"? What is your evidence that supports that whatever that is IS the truth?

I accept Jesus as Truth. He said the prophets were cool. Moses too. So one can use the Scripture to measure what is true and a lie.

The only "truth" that I can see is that which we can show with objective evidence.

Great, so you admit how far you can see.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I accept Jesus as Truth. He said the prophets were cool. Moses too. So one can use the Scripture to measure what is true and a lie.

Great, so you admit how far you can see.

So let's agree that Jesus has some basis in reality (that it was a real person or at the very least was based on real people/a real person), people have a tendency to exaggerate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A king was many kings? Seems to me that a prophesy can involve more than one year, or king or nation. Those who know prophesy do not get confused like that so easily.
Whoopee do. Partial fulfillment are a taste of things to come. They show us that it will all come.[/qute]

Read the prophecy. It does not say "many kings". It says "many nations". Nebby was a "king of kings". That means he was the head of many of what they called "nations" back then.

I will ask the question...could the ultimate fulfillment here involve more than ancient Tyre? Any good prophesy worth it's salt does end up way in the future.

No, what would be the point? And no, the only reason that a "good prophesy" ends up far in the future is that gives you a longer time to try to shoehorn a failed prophesy into reality.

Gong. Get back on topic. This is not a pretty fail.

You are right. This is a very ugly fail for you guys.

I see you got your gong out to mark when you fail terribly.

For those new here dad has a terrible record of failure with everybody that he has ever debated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I accept Jesus as Truth. He said the prophets were cool. Moses too. So one can use the Scripture to measure what is true and a lie.



Great, so you admit how far you can see.

Once again, how do you know what Jesus said?

Do you have anything besides circular logic and faith in a book with hundreds of failures to support this view?

 

[dad]

So let's agree that Jesus has some basis in reality (that it was a real person or at the very least was based on real people/a real person), people have a tendency to exaggerate.

A person may tend to do that if a person was allowed. However the witnesses were many. In fact there are millions alive now. I am one.

 

[dad]

Once again, how do you know what Jesus said?

Do you have anything besides circular logic and faith in a book with hundreds of failures to support this view?

Your purported failures are a dream.

 

[dad]

Nope. But understand that we would, given a better theory.

Some of you would.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A person may tend to do that if a person was allowed. However the witnesses were many. In fact there are millions alive now. I am one.

Whoa! It looks like dad is claiming that he is the "wandering Jew":

Wandering Jew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Wait a sec, I have to steal a gif from dad:

 

[PsychoSarah]

Some of you would.

Fair enough, some people are stubborn. But I think it would be fair to say that most people would move on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your purported failures are a dream.

You are somewhat right. I do very rarely fail.

Your failures are constant and extremely amusing.

 

[dad]

Whoa! It looks like dad is claiming that he is the "wandering Jew":

No. The millions who know Jesus today do so because He is still alive, and reveals Himself to them.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. The millions who know Jesus today do so because He is still alive, and reveals Himself to them.

You don't personally meet Jesus, so you can't really say you know Jesus

 

[dad]

You don't personally meet Jesus, so you can't really say you know Jesus

False. Believers know Him Personally in their hearts and lives, and through His word, that His real alive Spirit brings to life for them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. The millions who know Jesus today do so because He is still alive, and reveals Himself to them.

Many people would call that delusions.

 

[dad]

Many people would call that delusions.

Many who do not know. So?

 

[Subduction Zone]

False. Believers know Him Personally in their hearts and lives, and through His word, that His real alive Spirit brings to life for them.

So no objective evidence then. Just feelings that can be reproduced in the laboratory.

 

[dad]

So no objective evidence then. Just feelings that can be reproduced in the laboratory.

We are the walking lab. He works.

 

[PsychoSarah]

False. Believers know Him Personally in their hearts and lives, and through His word, that His real alive Spirit brings to life for them.

When I say personally, I mean you haven't met him in person.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Many who do not know. So?

You mean "Many who do know".

Without evidence there is no more of a reason to believe in your god than any other. All religions make the same claims. They can't all be right.

How do you know that your feelings are correct and others are wrong?

We have physical evidence that supports our claims, what do you have that supports yours?

 

[dad]

When I say personally, I mean you haven't met him in person.

Yes, His Person is in us. His person is also shown in Scripture. We have yet to see Him in body, but He promises we will.