A Pondering of the Peculiar (4)

[Subduction Zone]

Yes but on a provisional basis. No matter what any scientist says, it is always subject to revision with new data. The idea is that any scientific work is based on the best knowledge available at that time. It can and does changes when new evidence comes in.

That is the same for educated or uneducated individuals.

Dizredux

A more thorough and complete answer than mine. Though if AV does not wish to trust scientists he should still break his computer as a sign that he does not trust them. I have a feeling that deep down inside AV trusts scientists, as much as he hates to admit it.

 

[Dizredux]

A more thorough and complete answer than mine. Though if AV does not wish to trust scientists he should still break his computer as a sign that he does not trust them. I have a feeling that deep down inside AV trusts scientists, as much as he hates to admit it.

But it is no fun for him if he acts like he trusts scientists.

Dizredux

 

[AV1611VET]

How magic is it?

On a scale of 1-10, I would say a -5.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes but on a provisional basis.

You got that right.

The commoners at L'Aquila trusted their scientists, and paid for it with their lives.

Their time on earth went provisional in a hurry.

 

[AV1611VET]

A more thorough and complete answer than mine. Though if AV does not wish to trust scientists he should still break his computer as a sign that he does not trust them. I have a feeling that deep down inside AV trusts scientists, as much as he hates to admit it.

I don't think the commoners at L'Aquila even had computers.

They may have, but it didn't help.

Breaking my computer would be a sign that I took your advice.

And I'll certainly pass on that.

 

[AV1611VET]

But it is no fun for him if he acts like he trusts scientists.

I know a generation of people whose mothers' did.

You should see their school albums.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think the commoners at L'Aquila even had computers.

They may have, but it didn't help.

Breaking my computer would be a sign that I took your advice.

And I'll certainly pass on that.

Wrong again. Too much was asked for of the scientists of L'Aquila. That was not a failure of scientists. At the worst it could be said to be a failure of the city planners and they passed the buck to the scientists. Geologists never claimed that they could accurately predict earthquakes.

Another science failure for AV.

And no, using your computer shows that you implicitly trust scientists.

 

[AV1611VET]

Too much was asked for of the scientists of L'Aquila.

So they told the citizens what they wanted to hear, just to shut them up?

And no, using your computer shows that you implicitly trust scientists.

I said if I broke it -- not used it -- that would be a sign that I took your advice.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know a generation of people whose mothers' did.

You should see their school albums.

No one has claimed that there have not been failures from scientists. The problem is that the failures of theists have been far worse.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So they told the citizens what they wanted to hear, just to shut them up?

I said if I broke it -- not used it -- that would be a sign that I took your advice.

It is not my advice. It is what a person who did not trust scientists would do. It is clear you trust scientists.

 

[GenemZ]

We don't even know if Jesus performed any miracles. Those are highly dubious claims that are not well supported.

The subject was the whether we can trust the Bible as a source or not. It seems that you want to change the subject.

Let's play hypothetical for one moment..

If he did? Would that be evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem is that the failures of theists have been far worse.

Not even close.

Care to tell us how hospitals in the UK are heated?

 

[GenemZ]

Since you already trust the scientists and scientists have a far better record than theists the answer is yes. If you don't want to trust the scientists the first step you should follow is to break your computer.

If that's all they worked with? Then you have a point. Not all scientists are as honest as you would wish us to believe. Being a scientist is not a virtue. Its simply a gift. There are good scientists, and evil scientists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's play hypothetical for one moment..

If he did? Would that be evidence?

Yes, that would be evidence. Of course how would that evidence be recorded? That is important too. You do realize that the students of the Gospels do not think that they are "eyewitness testimony". The strength of the evidence would depend upon quite a few matters.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's get back to the topic that you seem to be avoiding, genez. What do you think about failed biblical prophesy?

 

[GenemZ]

Let's get back to the topic that you seem to be avoiding, genez. What do you think about failed biblical prophesy?

Avoiding was not the problem. I do not know what it is you speak of.

 

[GenemZ]

Yes, that would be evidence. Of course how would that evidence be recorded? That is important too. You do realize that the students of the Gospels do not think that they are "eyewitness testimony". The strength of the evidence would depend upon quite a few matters.

The Bible has examples where powerful miracles failed to bring some to faith. They were given evidence and rejected it just the same.

No one can believe unless God draws that person on a personal level. One that you are not aware of until after the fact. No coercion that way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Avoiding was not the problem. I do not know what it is you speak of.

There are terribly failed prophesies in the Bible. Did you want to discuss any of them or not?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible has examples where powerful miracles failed to bring some to faith. They were given evidence and rejected it just the same.

No one can believe unless God draws that person on a personal level. One that you are not aware of until after the fact. No coercion that way.

Yet they are identical to stories in other religions. Why don't you believe the miracles of Islam, Hinduism, or other religions? You are not being consistent.

 

[HitchSlap]

The Bible has examples where powerful miracles failed to bring some to faith. They were given evidence and rejected it just the same.

No one can believe unless God draws that person on a personal level. One that you are not aware of until after the fact. No coercion that way.

Why do you reject the miracles of other religions?