A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[PsychoSarah]

Ergo, another statement to prove Creation. Life is not getting better but just the opposite. If evolution was the true foundation then it should be getting better don't you think?

Now the Bible on the other hand clearly states that civilization will get worse until it is stopped. But no one here needs to be Bible thumped, just stay with the facts.

Hardly, evolution is what successfully reproduces the most, and while there is a positive correlation between that and survival, it is not always the case. Think of sexual selection in birds; colorful guys father more babies, but being colorful makes avoiding predators harder and makes survival less likely. And yet, it persists, because that is what gets to father more kids.

 

[HitchSlap]

Ergo, another statement to prove Creation. Life is not getting better but just the opposite. If evolution was the true foundation then it should be getting better don't you think?

Now the Bible on the other hand clearly states that civilization will get worse until it is stopped. But no one here needs to be Bible thumped, just stay with the facts.

Life is demonstrably better than at any point in history. We're living longer than ever before. Females and minorities have equal opportunities as white men do. Public safety is better than it ever has been in recorded history.

What's wrong with you?

 

[GenemZ]

The originals are lost, so no one knows what was in the originals.

But we do have other passages to keep it in check. If its not critical and crucial, such as that passage, it may not be worth doing an immediate exhaustive search of ancient records to find which one is correct.

 

[HitchSlap]

But we do have other passages to keep it in check. If its not critical and crucial, such as that passage, it may not be worth doing an immediate exhaustive search of ancient records to find which one is correct.

By critical, you mean what were the last words attributed to Jesus on the cross?

Was it A: Father into your hands I commit my spirit.
Or B: It is finished.

 

[GenemZ]

Life is demonstrably better than at any point in history. We're living longer than ever before.

Taken from Genesis 5...

12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
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[CabVet]

Taken from Genesis 5...

12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
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Unrelated Bible passage of the day.

 

[Davian]

Your scientific studies are cool I bet.

Indeed. Did you read the pages in those links, to Francis Collins?

But it does not disprove but prove the Bible and Creation.

If it is proven, why have you dropped in here to preach? Why isn't it in the news?

God tells us...

Hold fast, Kemosabe. Who is this "us" that you speak of? I'm not the one hearing voices.

... that all was created from the dirt and walla, everything is high in carbon and the consistency is very close. But the creation of each individual DNA is just different enough to give each living thing its own profile. Remember that you cannot create harmony from chaos. It just doesn't work that way. Harmony begets harmony and chaos begets chaos.

Was that an attempt to talk sciency?

As for the dynamite analogy, what is wrong with it? Is it too simple for your highly educated mind?

The analogy fails, as the instantiation of the cosmos was followed by an expansion, not an explosion, of space. By your analogy, we are somewhere inside of the stick of dynamite, which has expanded so far that we can no longer see the sides, as they have moved beyond the light horizon. Does that clarify it for you?

The standards are what are in question. The standards were built on guesses not fact, then everything was built up from there.

You are referring to religion here, not science.

And as the comparison of evolutionists with Atheist. Name one Atheist that believes in Creation...

That is not what I said. Do try for some intellectual integrity.

I saw in your profile that you are a businessman. Is this how you interact with your customers?

The battle for the mind has never been so bold as it is now. Look who the administration has put in charge of teaching the military religious tolerance:

Taking God Out Of The US Military, Atheist Michael "Mikey" Weinstein

He is a very evil man...

Whom better than someone that has been a victim themselves of religious intolerance?

In what way would you say he is "evil"? Please be civil, and keep in mind he may be a member of this forum. The floor is yours.

 

[Davian]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to avoid your question...

Then answer it:

How many times do you think our galaxy has rotated since its formation?

 

[Davian]

Ergo, another statement to prove Creation. Life is not getting better but just the opposite. If evolution was the true foundation then it should be getting better don't you think?

Now the Bible on the other hand clearly states that civilization will get worse until it is stopped. But no one here needs to be Bible thumped, just stay with the facts.

Anyone here want to go back to ancient Rome or Egypt, and get some dental work done? Ever seen someone suffer (and potentially die) from an abscessed upper molar? Not brushing could kill you.

 

[GenemZ]

Unrelated Bible passage of the day.

An convenient truth.

Men only are appearing to live longer today is because it was so terrible during the dark ages when men lived to be 35 if they were lucky. It was because of malnourishment and disease, and because of ignorance of hygiene.

The Jews had good hygiene (in the Law) and ate healthy (in the Law). By no means did they live to be as old as the early men did. But they lived to very healthy ages when they lived faithfully by God's Law.

 

[GenemZ]

By critical, you mean what were the last words attributed to Jesus on the cross?

Was it A: Father into your hands I commit my spirit.
Or B: It is finished.

What? Both were said. Individual witnesses do not always hear all that went on. That is why we have multiple witnesses to begin with.

 

[HitchSlap]

What? Both were said. Individual witnesses do not always hear all that went on. That is why we have multiple witnesses to begin with.

So they could both be wrong, then. Got it.

 

[BrotherRickG]

Indeed. Did you read the pages in those links, to Francis Collins? No

If it is proven, why have you dropped in here to preach? Why isn't it in the news? So you think I have stepped into your world here to preach to you, weird I thought this was a forum to challenge each other about our beliefs of Creation and Evolution. If you think that is preaching then what would you consider conversation? You talking to yourself???


Hold fast, Kemosabe. Who is this "us" that you speak of? I'm not the one hearing voices. I do not hear voices, what makes you think I do? Are you loosing it?

Was that an attempt to talk sciency? Yea, this is my way of lowering myself to your level. Sinicism is very childish. So when playing with children we must play like a child.

The analogy fails, as the instantiation of the cosmos was followed by an expansion, not an explosion, of space. By your analogy, we are somewhere inside of the stick of dynamite, which has expanded so far that we can no longer see the sides, as they have moved beyond the light horizon. Does that clarify it for you? No, you must not have read all of my points. Are you saying the Big Bang was just a little POP and then the universe just uzzed slowly to where it is now. That is new, you must publish your theory and all will see your brilliance.

You are referring to religion here, not science. I am referring to science and you know it. You are standing by the money making agenda theories and I choose to look at facts.

That is not what I said. Do try for some intellectual integrity. You said Atheist and evolutionist do not necessarily go together did you not? They go together as far as I see, if not then why or how?

I saw in your profile that you are a businessman. Is this how you interact with your customers? Yes, on occasion I treat customers the same way and life is good. My customers love the interaction and if they don't they don't come back then life goes on. Everything in balance though and I have a lot of customers of every race, gender, ethnicity and sexual preference

Whom better than someone that has been a victim themselves of religious intolerance?

In what way would you say he is "evil"? Please be civil, and keep in mind he may be a member of this forum. The floor is yours. I would rescind my statement about Mickey if he stopped his war against Christianity and gave Atheists a good name like some other Atheists out there.

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[GenemZ]

So they could both be wrong, then. Got it.

More like I see what you're up to. Got it. I have a good memory. I can remember childhood bullies. those were the days! Then the other kids got bigger, and you were too old to pull the same manipulations.. Now you got the internet where no one can see you. Son of a hitch you are!

 

[HitchSlap]

More like I see what you're up to. Got it. I have a good memory. I can remember childhood bullies. those were the days! Then the other kids got bigger, and you were too old to pull the same manipulations.. Now you got the internet where no one can see you. Son of a hitch you are!

Do you often call people who don't agree with you "bullies?"

 

[Davian]

Do you often call people who don't agree with you "bullies?"

I think he reserves that word for those that make his points fall flat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then answer it:

How many times do you think our galaxy has rotated since its formation?

Our galaxy wasn't formed.

But to answer your quesion:

6/225,000 times

 

[BrotherRickG]

I think he reserves that word for those that make his points fall flat.

Or maybe he knows you guys? I do not know I am a newbie... I am just trying to make friends

 

[Davian]

Our galaxy wasn't formed.

Poofed into existence, then. YMMV.

But to answer your quesion:

6/225,000 times

Last Thursdayism?

To be clear (not that is it clear), I gather that BRG is not arguing against the instantiation of the cosmos from a single point and its subsequent formation, but that the formation just happened quicker, as in (keeping with your fraction-based posting theme) 6000/13,700,000,000. Or something like that.

 

[GenemZ]

Do you often call people who don't agree with you "bullies?"

No. I do not. Its not needed that often.

But, this forum in particular (which is run by an atheist) is a magnet for a certain type of manipulator. In normal Bible forums, such communication would not be tolerated, and quickly snuffed out.

I am not complaining. I rather enjoy a good challenge. But, when all I see are cliche responses? There is no real thinking, only repeating going on. I can usually tell when one I am dialoguing with is repeating stuff he learned by reading books, hearing lectures, etc.,. by other atheists. No complaint again. For I know fundies are just as guilty of repeating knee-jerk what they were told without thinking. And, preventing thinking.

Fortunately, most bullies have outgrown their mental manipulating of others by time they mature into an adult. Life had beat it out of them.

So, again I say.... No. I do not refer to someone as a bully very often. But, I also do not deny that they exist. For they do.