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A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

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I think he reserves that word for those that make his points fall flat.


Its when someone disallows the thought to be considered for analysis and discussion. When someone closes his mind, slamming the door shut with some predictable cliche nailed to the door.
 
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Our galaxy wasn't formed.

But to answer your quesion:

6/225,000 times


Its fascinating to consider that so many trillions of the orbiting planets, suns, moons, and stars in space ... But, for some odd reason?... How they turned out to be round near-perfect orbs and not ragged chunks of matter floating in space, as normally to be expected after a major outward explosion. Just the same, we do see ragged chunks of rock and matter floating in space due to latter day internal explosions and collisions. Yet, almost all stars and planets, suns... are round orbs . If it were all random, and by chance? Why such amazing consistency? Why not all ragged and different? It would be like seeing the result of a plane crash and all of the debris consisted of metal balls and marbles of different sizes and colors. It would not make sense.

Typically.... Blow something up. All the scattered debris ends up as random odd pieces of raggedly shaped objects. Usually, no two alike. Like fingerprints. So why do we such a vast majority of multifarious round orbs being the result of an alleged big bang? When its really as if they were all manufactured in the same factory.

Now, we are told we must believe that it all randomly happened, and all by chance. That is what they will tell us. And, demand that we believe it, because they did well on an IQ test (allegedly).
 
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Poofed into existence, then. YMMV. :wave:


To be clear (not that is it clear), I gather that BRG is not arguing against the instantiation of the cosmos from a single point and its subsequent formation, but that the formation just happened quicker, as in (keeping with your fraction-based posting theme) 6000/13,700,000,000. Or something like that. ^_^

:thumbsup: oh sarcastic one :bow:, up til this point I thought you were just arrogant and self absorbed. No, you are even more... almost a legend... you are an old fart that leaves a stain... LOL

So, oh wise one. How do you measure the distance from the earth to the stars? Within that formula, do you subtract the amount of time the star was traveling after the "Bang"?
 
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Its fascinating to consider that so many trillions of the orbiting planets, suns, moons, and stars in space ... But, for some odd reason?... How they turned out to be round near-perfect orbs and not ragged chunks of matter floating in space, as normally to be expected after a major outward explosion. Just the same, we do see ragged chunks of rock and matter floating in space due to internal explosions and collisions. Yet, almost all stars and planets, suns... are round orbs . If it were all random, and by chance? Why such amazing consistency? Why not all ragged and different? It would be like seeing the result of a plane crash and all of the debris consisted of metal balls and marbles of different sizes and colors. It would not make sense.

Typically.... Blow something up. All the scattered debris ends up as random odd pieces of raggedly shaped objects. Usually, no two alike. Like fingerprints. So why do we such a vast majority of multifarious round orbs being the result of an alleged big bang? When its really as if they were all manufactured in the same factory.

Now, we are told we must believe that it all randomly happened, and all by chance. That is what they will tell us. And, demand that we believe it, because they did well on an IQ test (allegedly).
You do realize we've figured this out and have solid explanations for this. Right?

You also know they're better explanations and more parsimonious than "god-dun-it." Right?

Or are you just trolling?
 
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:thumbsup: oh sarcastic one :bow:, up til this point I thought you were just arrogant and self absorbed. No, you are even more... almost a legend... you are an old fart that leaves a stain... LOL

So, oh wise one. How do you measure the distance from the earth to the stars? Within that formula, do you subtract the amount of time the star was traveling after the "Bang"?

Do you know how stars are formed?
 
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You do realize we've figured this out and have solid explanations for this. Right?


Well? Why do you want to keep us in ignorance? Evidently, it was seen as a problem by one of your brilliant ones. I would love to hear the explanation. Or, is it too complex for you, too?

You also know they're better explanations and more parsimonious than "god-dun-it." Right?

Somebody had to come up with answer once such a logical deduction was made. Why so coy about giving the answer?

Or are you just trolling?

Trolling? I never had that thought before. It just entered my mind. Probably because, its a logical question to ask.

Would you please honor me and the others here with the facts as to why that occurred? I could not know the answer, for I just had the thought only a moment before posting my question. It was an original thought. Not something I read somewhere.

Honest questions deserve an honest answer. Since you know the answer, why the selfishness?
 
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Well? Why do you want to keep us in ignorance? Evidently, it was seen as a problem by one of your brilliant ones. I would love to hear the explanation. Or, is it too complex for you, too?



Somebody had to come up with answer once such a logical deduction was made. Why so coy about giving the answer?



Trolling? I never had that thought before. It just entered my mind. Probably because, its a logical question to ask.

Would you please honor me and the others here with the facts as to why that occurred? I could not know the answer, for I just had the thought only a moment before posting my question. It was an original thought. Not something I read somewhere.

Honest questions deserve an honest answer. Since you know the answer, why the selfishness?
Nah, pearls before swine and all.
 
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Anyone here want to go back to ancient Rome or Egypt, and get some dental work done? Ever seen someone suffer (and potentially die) from an abscessed upper molar? Not brushing could kill you.

Actually, that is how many people died back then, from infections related to their teeth.
 
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Do you know how stars are formed?

Yes, but I am sure you will not agree. What about you, were you there when the stars were formed?

How do you measure the distance? Do you allow the mathematical variable of dispersement for said measurement, or is it not necessary to use all the facts to formulate your opinion? Is the lack of complete formula better for your agenda?
 
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Yes, but I am sure you will not agree. What about you, were you there when the stars were formed?

How do you measure the distance? Do you allow the mathematical variable of dispersement for said measurement, or is it not necessary to use all the facts to formulate your opinion? Is the lack of complete formula better for your agenda?

Were you there? I love that one!
 
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Yes, but I am sure you will not agree. What about you, were you there when the stars were formed?

How do you measure the distance? Do you allow the mathematical variable of dispersement for said measurement, or is it not necessary to use all the facts to formulate your opinion? Is the lack of complete formula better for your agenda?

Yes.

How stars are formed and born - YouTube
 
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Indeed. Did you read the pages in those links, to Francis Collins?
No
Why not? Do you not place value on what another Christian, of his credentials, has to say on scientific matters?
If it is proven, why have you dropped in here to preach? Why isn't it in the news?
So you think I have stepped into your world here to preach to you, weird I thought this was a forum to challenge each other about our beliefs of Creation and Evolution. If you think that is preaching then what would you consider conversation? You talking to yourself???
Preach
verb
present participle: preaching
1. deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people


Post # 304. That was preaching, not a conversation.

Declaring that the bible and creation are proven is not conversation.

You are not challenging, you are declaring yourself right. That is not conversation.

Hold fast, Kemosabe. Who is this "us" that you speak of? I'm not the one hearing voices.
I do not hear voices, what makes you think I do? Are you loosing it?
Did you not say that your god talks to you? He doesn't talk to me. I was asking who you meant when you used the word "us".
Was that an attempt to talk sciency?
Yea, this is my way of lowering myself to your level. Sinicism is very childish. So when playing with children we must play like a child.
Cynicism. An inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest;

Not childish at all, dismissing the implied insults. I am here discuss, and explore reality, and to support, justify, and provide evidence for my claims where I make them. I do not think you are here for that, judging from the content of your posts.

The analogy fails, as the instantiation of the cosmos was followed by an expansion, not an explosion, of space. By your analogy, we are somewhere inside of the stick of dynamite, which has expanded so far that we can no longer see the sides, as they have moved beyond the light horizon. Does that clarify it for you?
No, you must not have read all of my points. Are you saying the Big Bang was just a little POP and then the universe just uzzed slowly to where it is now. That is new, you must publish your theory and all will see your brilliance.
This was published many years ago.

"In physical cosmology, cosmic inflation, cosmological inflation, or just inflation is the extremely rapid exponential expansion of the early universe by a factor of at least 1078 in volume, driven by a negative-pressure vacuum energy density.[1] The inflationary epoch comprises the first part of the electroweak epoch following the grand unification epoch. It lasted from 10−36 seconds after the Big Bang to sometime between 10−33 and 10−32 seconds. Following the inflationary period, the universe continued to expand, but at a slower rate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)#Overview

I am referring to science and you know it.
If you were, it was in an empty rhetoric fashion, unsubstantiated.
You are standing by the money making agenda theories and I choose to look at facts.
Scientific theories can make some people and companies very rich, for sure, but if the underlying science is not robust, they won't. Do you have something against capitalism?

As for money making agenda theories, have you looked at religions take in every year? And no taxes!

"While some people may be bothered by the fact that there are pastors who live in multimillion dollar homes, this is old news to most. But here is what should bother you about these expensive homes: You are helping to pay for them! You pay for them indirectly, the same way local, state, and federal governments in the United States subsidize religion — to the tune of about $71 billion every year."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...cost-of-religious-tax-exemptions-71000000000/

All that for an industry that has no requirement to produce any evidence that their (contradictory) claims are true. And you are poking your finger at science? Go figure.
That is not what I said. Do try for some intellectual integrity.
You said Atheist and evolutionist do not necessarily go together did you not? They go together as far as I see, if not then why or how?
No, that is not what I said. Go back, try again.
I saw in your profile that you are a businessman. Is this how you interact with your customers?
Yes, on occasion I treat customers the same way and life is good. My customers love the interaction and if they don't they don't come back then life goes on. Everything in balance though and I have a lot of customers of every race, gender, ethnicity and sexual preference
You preach at your atheist customers, and tell them how your religion is proven?
Whom better than someone that has been a victim themselves of religious intolerance?

In what way would you say he is "evil"? Please be civil, and keep in mind he may be a member of this forum. The floor is yours.
I would rescind my statement about Mickey if he stopped his war against Christianity and gave Atheists a good name like some other Atheists out there.
I did not ask you to retract your statement, but to substantiate it. How is he "evil"? It appears that he is only going after those in violation of federal laws.



Almost forgot: How many times do you think our galaxy has rotated since its formation?
 
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I think he reserves that word for those that make his points fall flat.
Its when someone disallows the thought to be considered for analysis and discussion. When someone closes his mind, slamming the door shut with some predictable cliche nailed to the door.

Cool. Let us take this for a test drive:

genez, are you open to the possibility that all gods, including your own, are nothing but characters in books, and religion is merely a rider on the human mind's demonstrable ability for self-deception? Will you carefully consider the idea that the atheists have it right, and are fully justified in their scepticism?

What say you?
 
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:thumbsup: oh sarcastic one :bow:, up til this point I thought you were just arrogant and self absorbed. No, you are even more... almost a legend... you are an old fart that leaves a stain... LOL
Have you been drinking?

So, oh wise one. How do you measure the distance from the earth to the stars? Within that formula, do you subtract the amount of time the star was traveling after the "Bang"?
Try here:

Finding Stellar Distances
 
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Actually, that is how many people died back then, from infections related to their teeth.

I know. That is always the anomaly in the end-of-civilization movies. No apparent dental problems, and nice white -very white- teeth.

Cast Away, with Tom Hanks, being one exception. Ouch. And the Postman (the novel).

My sister had to have her face, from inside her mouth, cut and peeled back from the skull to get at the diseased bone above the molar.

Excuse me, I feel faint all of a sudden...:o
 
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My sister had to have her face, from inside her mouth, cut and peeled back from the skull to get at the diseased bone above the molar.

Excuse me, I feel faint all of a sudden...:o

There is today a much better and eloquent solution. Very few dentists have been trained for it so far. Its non evasive, and actually was quite easy. Just stings while being administered.

I had two harmful cavitations left behind from extracted root canals. One root canal could have killed me if not extracted. After the extraction the cavitation was making me feel ill. By God's grace I found Ozone therapy. Its injected close to the infected area of the jaw. Kills fungus, bacteria, and viruses.

The FDA has given clearance to certain dentists to use this method and is being evaluated. I had two seriously infected cavitations cleared up, and even one painful cyst on the end of one root (from previous trauma) which dissolved quickly with only a few ozone treatments. This way was much cheaper than the kind of surgery your sister had to go through. The dentist is a dedicated man and charges very reasonably. He looks like he could have retired if he wanted to. He is a kindly dedicated gentleman. A major national organization for biological dentists started close to where I live. They are all very dedicated. The dentist I started with has retired. The one who does the ozone therapy is a close friend.

If interested...

Ozone Therapy Doctors World Wide
 
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Why not? Do you not place value on what another Christian, of his credentials, has to say on scientific matters?


You are not challenging, you are declaring yourself right. That is not conversation.

Not childish at all, dismissing the implied insults. I am here discuss, and explore reality, and to support, justify, and provide evidence for my claims where I make them. I do not think you are here for that, judging from the content of your posts.

If you were, it was in an empty rhetoric fashion, unsubstantiated.

Scientific theories can make some people and companies very rich, for sure, but if the underlying science is not robust, they won't. Do you have something against capitalism?

As for money making agenda theories, have you looked at religions take in every year? And no taxes!

All that for an industry that has no requirement to produce any evidence that their (contradictory) claims are true. And you are poking your finger at science? Go figure.

You preach at your atheist customers, and tell them how your religion is proven?

I did not ask you to retract your statement, but to substantiate it. How is he "evil"? It appears that he is only going after those in violation of federal laws.

Lets start over friend; First of all I am saying science is manipulating and using its power to corrupt the mind of man. That is irrefutable and not my opinion alone. Many highly educated scientist say that. Second, Science is and always has been build on unsubstantiated theories that with testing either get validated or proven wrong. That is where my question comes in because I have yet to see dispersement value entered in the conclusion of the star light reaching the earth, it is always the other way around. Scientists have always stated the starlight takes millions of years to reach the earth and in fact it is the other way around. The light was already on when it was put in its place no matter what side you believe.

As for the monies spent on Evolution compared to all the monies spent on preachers houses. That is really funny, how much did the mars landing cost alone. Not counting all the houses that the evolutionary scientists houses and luxury cars. Then you have the atom blaster, Hubble telescope, deep space satellites, etc.

As for me speaking to my Atheist and agnostic customer disrespectfully, I do not. We are grown ups and there is not an internet filter between us and life is good.

I do apologize for lowering myself in the bantering, albeit kinda fun, and not sticking to my point.

As for the type of Christian words I use and being preachy, you chose to put your ideas on a Christian forum. Now you want me to not use my belief structure in my argument against evolution and towards Creation.

As for blindly accepting man's answers for anything, I am cynical and tread lightly. As we discussed earlier, man is corrupt whether claiming to be Christian or claiming to be a scientist. I am cautious to follow anyone without vetting them as much as possible.
 
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Or maybe he knows you guys? I do not know I am a newbie... I am just trying to make friends :thumbsup:

This is not the thread for that, this area is a perpetual warzone. You aren't going to make friends here without making equally nasty enemies.
 
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Lets start over friend; First of all I am saying science is manipulating and using its power to corrupt the mind of man. That is irrefutable and not my opinion alone. Many highly educated scientist say that. Second, Science is and always has been build on unsubstantiated theories that with testing either get validated or proven wrong. That is where my question comes in because I have yet to see dispersement value entered in the conclusion of the star light reaching the earth, it is always the other way around. Scientists have always stated the starlight takes millions of years to reach the earth and in fact it is the other way around. The light was already on when it was put in its place no matter what side you believe.

As for the monies spent on Evolution compared to all the monies spent on preachers houses. That is really funny, how much did the mars landing cost alone. Not counting all the houses that the evolutionary scientists houses and luxury cars. Then you have the atom blaster, Hubble telescope, deep space satellites, etc.

As for me speaking to my Atheist and agnostic customer disrespectfully, I do not. We are grown ups and there is not an internet filter between us and life is good.

I do apologize for lowering myself in the bantering, albeit kinda fun, and not sticking to my point.

As for the type of Christian words I use and being preachy, you chose to put your ideas on a Christian forum. Now you want me to not use my belief structure in my argument against evolution and towards Creation.

As for blindly accepting man's answers for anything, I am cynical and tread lightly. As we discussed earlier, man is corrupt whether claiming to be Christian or claiming to be a scientist. I am cautious to follow anyone without vetting them as much as possible.

I recommend Michael Shermer's book "Why People Believe Weird Things." I think you would find it fascinating.
 
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