A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[HitchSlap]

The main reason for the earlier question of the speed of the dispersement of the "Big Bang" is to prove a point of miss-information from the evolutionary science side. The statement I quoted earlier was taken from an article on the "Big Bang" at (atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang_html) The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe. Make up your own mind, but I think this is very important information to formulate a more accurate theory.

Statement from article:
"It is possible that our universe is infinite and has been filled with matter everywhere since the Big Bang. But there is also nothing stopping the universe expanding faster than the speed of light. Although at any local point within the universe, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light; this is not true for the entire universe. There is no limit on how fast space can expand".

This is a true statement whether one believes in Big Bang or Creation. And this being the truth and we do not know the correct answer to (x)= the speed of dispersement. So that means the S.O.D. could = 2x, 5x, 100x or even 1,000,000,000x or faster than the speed of light. Therefore the measurement of a star distance would have to have this variable plugged into the formula in order to have a better understanding of the age of the universe. Also, the light did not emanate from there to here, it started from beginning point and ended up where it is so the time for the light to get to here is nonsensical. If we are close to the epicenter, which no one can say for sure if we are or not but I think we are, then the light started here and ended up where it is now. Therefore it took no time for the light to get here but the calculation is the time that it took the light to travel from here to there.

But we do know the "speed of disbursement."

http://www.space.com/17884-universe-expansion-speed-hubble-constant.html

 

[Davian]

The main reason for the earlier question of the speed of the dispersement of the "Big Bang" is to prove a point of miss-information from the evolutionary science side. The statement I quoted earlier was taken from an article on the "Big Bang" at (atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang_html) The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe. Make up your own mind, but I think this is very important information to formulate a more accurate theory.

Statement from article:
"It is possible that our universe is infinite and has been filled with matter everywhere since the Big Bang. But there is also nothing stopping the universe expanding faster than the speed of light. Although at any local point within the universe, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light; this is not true for the entire universe. There is no limit on how fast space can expand".

This is a true statement whether one believes in Big Bang or Creation. And this being the truth and we do not know the correct answer to (x)= the speed of dispersement. So that means the S.O.D. could = 2x, 5x, 100x or even 1,000,000,000x or faster than the speed of light. Therefore the measurement of a star distance would have to have this variable plugged into the formula in order to have a better understanding of the age of the universe. Also, the light did not emanate from there to here, it started from beginning point and ended up where it is so the time for the light to get to here is nonsensical. If we are close to the epicenter, which no one can say for sure if we are or not but I think we are, then the light started here and ended up where it is now. Therefore it took no time for the light to get here but the calculation is the time that it took the light to travel from here to there.

How many times do you think our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, has rotated since its formation?

 

[PsychoSarah]

The main reason for the earlier question of the speed of the dispersement of the "Big Bang" is to prove a point of miss-information from the evolutionary science side. The statement I quoted earlier was taken from an article on the "Big Bang" at (atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang_html) The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe. Make up your own mind, but I think this is very important information to formulate a more accurate theory.

Statement from article:
"It is possible that our universe is infinite and has been filled with matter everywhere since the Big Bang. But there is also nothing stopping the universe expanding faster than the speed of light. Although at any local point within the universe, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light; this is not true for the entire universe. There is no limit on how fast space can expand".

This is a true statement whether one believes in Big Bang or Creation. And this being the truth and we do not know the correct answer to (x)= the speed of dispersement. So that means the S.O.D. could = 2x, 5x, 100x or even 1,000,000,000x or faster than the speed of light. Therefore the measurement of a star distance would have to have this variable plugged into the formula in order to have a better understanding of the age of the universe. Also, the light did not emanate from there to here, it started from beginning point and ended up where it is so the time for the light to get to here is nonsensical. If we are close to the epicenter, which no one can say for sure if we are or not but I think we are, then the light started here and ended up where it is now. Therefore it took no time for the light to get here but the calculation is the time that it took the light to travel from here to there.

Are you assuming that when space expands it has an impact on the positioning of stars and other objects to a great extent? Sorry, I am having trouble following what you are trying to say (don't know what the information you are trying to convey is).

 

[BrotherRickG]

The Bible is a Living Word, not just a book written by man. When I first chose to follow God, I grabbed a big KJV family Bible and asked God a question. I didn't know much about the Bible and had never really prayed either, but I asked Him a Question and opened up His book and let my eyes fall on the first scripture I saw and read it. He answered my questions perfectly and helped me that way. I did that a bunch of times and I haven't stopped talking to Him since. Later on in life I went back to those same verses and I had to laugh because they mean nothing now like I understood them way back when. He wanted to talk through His word and I was smart enough to listen.

To me the Bible is many things, one of them is the raising of a child. The old testament is the physical punishment of a two year old to teach them not to play with fire, to a youth that still needs time out and correction. Then Jesus put on human flesh to now show us (at 13 or so years old) that He will be there for us but we are to learn from our mistakes though His grace. Then there is retirement later on.

 

[HitchSlap]

The Bible is a Living Word, not just a book written by man. When I first chose to follow God, I grabbed a big KJV family Bible and asked God a question. I didn't know much about the Bible and had never really prayed either, but I asked Him a Question and opened up His book and let my eyes fall on the first scripture I saw and read it. He answered my questions perfectly and helped me that way. I did that a bunch of times and I haven't stopped talking to Him since. Later on in life I went back to those same verses and I had to laugh because they mean nothing now like I understood them way back when. He wanted to talk through His word and I was smart enough to listen.

To me the Bible is many things, one of them is the raising of a child. The old testament is the physical punishment of a two year old to teach them not to play with fire, to a youth that still needs time out and correction. Then Jesus put on human flesh to now show us (at 13 or so years old) that He will be there for us but we are to learn from our mistakes though His grace. Then there is retirement later on.

That's nice and all, but what does this have to do with cosmology?

 

[BrotherRickG]

That's nice and all, but what does this have to do with cosmology?

It doesn't or does it? I was responding to something I read a few pages back and it took me some time to respond... You know work and all.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The Bible is a Living Word, not just a book written by man. When I first chose to follow God, I grabbed a big KJV family Bible and asked God a question. I didn't know much about the Bible and had never really prayed either, but I asked Him a Question and opened up His book and let my eyes fall on the first scripture I saw and read it. He answered my questions perfectly and helped me that way. I did that a bunch of times and I haven't stopped talking to Him since. Later on in life I went back to those same verses and I had to laugh because they mean nothing now like I understood them way back when. He wanted to talk through His word and I was smart enough to listen.

To me the Bible is many things, one of them is the raising of a child. The old testament is the physical punishment of a two year old to teach them not to play with fire, to a youth that still needs time out and correction. Then Jesus put on human flesh to now show us (at 13 or so years old) that He will be there for us but we are to learn from our mistakes though His grace. Then there is retirement later on.

And now we know that physical punishment of young children is ineffective in ensuring obedience, fosters hatred for parents, and can cause those children to grow up to be abusive and violent adults.

 

[Davian]

The Bible is a Living Word, not just a book written by man. When I first chose to follow God, I grabbed a big KJV family Bible and asked God a question. I didn't know much about the Bible and had never really prayed either, but I asked Him a Question and opened up His book and let my eyes fall on the first scripture I saw and read it. He answered my questions perfectly and helped me that way. I did that a bunch of times and I haven't stopped talking to Him since. Later on in life I went back to those same verses and I had to laugh because they mean nothing now like I understood them way back when. He wanted to talk through His word and I was smart enough to listen.

To me the Bible is many things, one of them is the raising of a child. The old testament is the physical punishment of a two year old to teach them not to play with fire, to a youth that still needs time out and correction. Then Jesus put on human flesh to now show us (at 13 or so years old) that He will be there for us but we are to learn from our mistakes though His grace. Then there is retirement later on.

When all else fails, preach.

Can you ask God how many times he thinks our galaxy has rotated since its formation? Or is it only a one-way conversation?

 

[BrotherRickG]

And now we know that physical punishment of young children is ineffective in ensuring obedience, fosters hatred for parents, and can cause those children to grow up to be abusive and violent adults.

You may have not read my response to you earlier but I was one of those children and was severely abused by a wicked step mom. Doesn't mean punishment is not necessary, it just means people have issues like she did and I had to take them out on someone. Good thing it was me and not some weaker child that would have been a real Psycho... Then I could be PsychoRick, kinda has a ring to it eh...

 

[BrotherRickG]

When all else fails, preach.

Can you ask God how many times he thinks our galaxy has rotated since its formation? Or is it only a one-way conversation?

Sorry, I wasn't trying to avoid your question... let me flip the Bible open and I will tell you what He says or better yet, why don't you try it? It would be more realistic if you felt the love first hand.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to avoid your question... let me flip the Bible open and I will tell you what He says or better yet, why don't you try it? It would be more realistic if you felt the love first hand.

We're not the ones claiming we talk to god. Go on, ask him.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You may have not read my response to you earlier but I was one of those children and was severely abused by a wicked step mom. Doesn't mean punishment is not necessary, it just means people have issues like she did and I had to take them out on someone. Good thing it was me and not some weaker child that would have been a real Psycho... Then I could be PsychoRick, kinda has a ring to it eh...

I read it. And just because you managed to turn out ok doesn't mean that capital punishment doesn't do lasting damage. It doesn't even mean you made it out unscathed.

I wasn't abused as a kid, but my mom was by her dad. He would do stuff such as put out cigarettes on her arms, just because he felt like it. She had to pay rent to her parents since age 13 to live in her house. She turned out ok. Her 6 siblings, on the other hand, did not. Most people get really messed up with that kind of abuse, it isn't that they are weak, but that the rare individuals that can take the punishment are just exceptionally strong.

 

[HitchSlap]

It doesn't or does it? I was responding to something I read a few pages back and it took me some time to respond... You know work and all.

You should quote the post you're responding to then.

 

[BrotherRickG]

Are you assuming that when space expands it has an impact on the positioning of stars and other objects to a great extent? Sorry, I am having trouble following what you are trying to say (don't know what the information you are trying to convey is).

Two ways of looking at it. One way is setting off a stick of dynamite and the dynamite represents the beginning. You see the sparks and flames fly away from the explosion. If you were to measure the distance of how far the sparks flew wouldn't you start where the dynamite was not where the sparks landed. That is the variable that is omitted. How fast did the sparks fly away? We know where they landed. The light started from the center and went outward therefore the measurement has to be from here to there not there to here.

The other way to look at it is to hold a flashlight and turn it on and throw it. How fast was it thrown would be the measurement for the light was already on.

When we hear teachers of evolution, one way they will teach the age of the universe by the distance of the stars as if they were dark until they got to their resting spot and that is not true. They were already glowing and got dispersed by the explosion or better yet, the Creation of the universe as we know it. So they must allow for the speed of dispersement which would dramatically reduce their age.

 

[HitchSlap]

Two ways of looking at it. One way is setting off a stick of dynamite and the dynamite represents the beginning. You see the sparks and flames fly away from the explosion. If you were to measure the distance of how far the sparks flew wouldn't you start where the dynamite was not where the sparks landed. That is the variable that is omitted. How fast did the sparks fly away? We know where they landed. The light started from the center and went outward therefore the measurement has to be from here to there not there to here.

The other way to look at it is to hold a flashlight and turn it on and throw it. How fast was it thrown would be the measurement for the light was already on.

When we hear teachers of evolution, one way they will teach the age of the universe by the distance of the stars as if they were dark until they got to their resting spot and that is not true. They were already glowing and got dispersed by the explosion or better yet, the Creation of the universe as we know it. So they must allow for the speed of dispersement which would dramatically reduce their age.

How familiar with CMBR are you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Two ways of looking at it. One way is setting off a stick of dynamite and the dynamite represents the beginning. You see the sparks and flames fly away from the explosion. If you were to measure the distance of how far the sparks flew wouldn't you start where the dynamite was not where the sparks landed. That is the variable that is omitted. How fast did the sparks fly away? We know where they landed. The light started from the center and went outward therefore the measurement has to be from here to there not there to here.

The other way to look at it is to hold a flashlight and turn it on and throw it. How fast was it thrown would be the measurement for the light was already on.

When we hear teachers of evolution, one way they will teach the age of the universe by the distance of the stars as if they were dark until they got to their resting spot and that is not true. They were already glowing and got dispersed by the explosion or better yet, the Creation of the universe as we know it. So they must allow for the speed of dispersement which would dramatically reduce their age.

So, you expect to see the light streak from the movement of the stars? Problem, they are too far away, so that even at the speeds that they are moving you wouldn't see that kind of effect. However, many of the stars we see in the night are as they were millions of years ago. It is likely that a few have already died, and what we see is the light of a dead star just finally reaching our planet.

 

[BrotherRickG]

We're not the ones claiming we talk to god. Go on, ask him.

No you are not the ones claiming to talk to God, nor shall I talk to Him for you. How about you go ask Darwin and see if one of his talking monkeys will help you... oh wait only a few monkeys a long time ago learned to speak so there are no monkeys to ask... mmm you are in a quandrum eh?

 

[BrotherRickG]

... However, many of the stars we see in the night are as they were millions of years ago. It is likely that a few have already died, and what we see is the light of a dead star just finally reaching our planet.

That is the point I am trying to make. When you say a million years ago that is not a true statement. The light started and then went outward. What we see in the night sky is where the star somewhat stopped. We are seeing the light as it is not as it was.

BANG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>star
...................Earth

 

[HitchSlap]

No you are not the ones claiming to talk to God, nor shall I talk to Him for you. How about you go ask Darwin and see if one of his talking monkeys will help you... oh wait only a few monkeys a long time ago learned to speak so there are no monkeys to ask... mmm you are in a quandrum eh?

Get a grip.

 

[HitchSlap]

That is the point I am trying to make. When you say a million years ago that is not a true statement. The light started and then went outward. What we see in the night sky is where the star somewhat stopped. We are seeing the light as it is not as it was.

BANG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>star
...................Earth

Rubbish.