A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[HitchSlap]

My pastor likes to challenge people who believe that way to do what they think the Bible does say, and they still won't.

Saying the Bible has errors is a smokescreen.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, more like Christians are against everyone else is what is suggested by that statement. Viewing all nonbelievers as the enemy and not wanting to associate with them is the vibe I got from that.

Would you rather a love-thine-enemy Christian view you as an enemy, or a Muslim?

(Please answer this.)

 

[HitchSlap]

I am stunned by your response, you have no idea? Go to Wikipedia, seems to be a favorite research area for some of you. What do the physicists have to say about it?

I should have said, what I have read about cosmology is completely different from whatever your question about cosmology is.

I should also add, in addition to the books on cosmology I've read, I have also had a subscription to SciAm for the last 6-7 years, and generally read all the articles on cosmology/astrophysics.

 

[HitchSlap]

Would you rather a love-thine-enemy Christian view you as an enemy, or a Muslim?

(Please answer this.)

If I understand your question, it would depend on what country.

 

[PsychoSarah]

PsychoSarah, this is one of my favorite stories in the Bible and one I think you will like.
There is also Ester who saved the Israelites from total inhalation and I think you would like it also. The Bible is full of strong women and not so strong men.

NIV

I have read the bible, and a couple of years ago wrote a paper on how the bible was not intended to oppress women but through bad translations and misinterpretations was made out to be that way.

You forgot my namesake, oh Sarai later to be called Sarah, you must have had the patience of a saint to not punch Abram later to be called Abraham in the face when he let your virtue be at risk that second time, knowing what ended up happening the first time, and for the selfish purpose of saving his own skin because forbid not everyone want his wife enough to kill him for her (even though Sarah wasn't young at this point). If you think about it, Abraham doing that who drama the second time was a bit of a moment.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Would you rather a love-thine-enemy Christian view you as an enemy, or a Muslim?

(Please answer this.)

It doesn't make any difference to me, although technically there are more Christians around me than Muslims, so having the much more populous Christians hate me would probably be more risky to my health than having Muslims hate me. However, I would rather people didn't view me as an enemy on the basis of belief.

 

[BrotherRickG]

FYI, you blew into this thread with arrogant hubris and guns blazing all full of pee and vinegar. What kind of response were you expecting, exactly?

I started by reading yours and others responses to things and so I was ready for what you and a few others would say. Not surprising to me and like all good bullies you try to put the shoe on the other persons foot. That is all good and no feelings hurt here, just pointing out facts. You do like facts or are facts fake Bible stuff too?

 

[HitchSlap]

I started by reading yours and others responses to things and so I was ready for what you and a few others would say. Not surprising to me and like all good bullies you try to put the shoe on the other persons foot. That is all good and no feelings hurt here, just pointing out facts. You do like facts or are facts fake Bible stuff too?

Facts are great.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The bible is also a good source for "putting women in their place," too.

Actually, most of the sexist stuff in the bible (not all, but a great deal of it) is the result of poor translation, especially in the Old Testament. Think about it, most people think the serpent spoke to Eve because she would be easier to manipulate, but Adam did exactly as she said without question or thinking about it. Either Eve's input was very important (more important than a warning from god, apparently), the serpent approached what it perceived to be the dominant one in the relationship, or even the serpent wanted more of a challenge then the blindly following Adam. This also explains why Eve alone is held accountable for the fall by god as well (she was the one making decisions and not Adam. If Adam were truly considered superior to Eve, then either Eve would not have made that decision on her own, or he wouldn't have listened to her).

However, if you view it allegorically, the forbidden fruit can represent agriculture, which ended for many the hunter gatherer way of life, which was simpler but not necessarily better. Historians often propose that, since they would have more spare time than men, women are actually the first practitioners of agriculture, and the fall is the end of a simple life towards a more complicated one, but with more knowledge gained.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I started by reading yours and others responses to things and so I was ready for what you and a few others would say. Not surprising to me and like all good bullies you try to put the shoe on the other persons foot. That is all good and no feelings hurt here, just pointing out facts. You do like facts or are facts fake Bible stuff too?

Was I a bully?

 

[BrotherRickG]

Actually, most of the sexist stuff in the bible (not all, but a great deal of it) is the result of poor translation, especially in the Old Testament. Think about it, most people think the serpent spoke to Eve because she would be easier to manipulate, but Adam did exactly as she said without question or thinking about it.

This is one of the misrepresentation of the scripture that I was talking about. When you read that verse it is obvious that Adam is standing right next to Eve. He could have prevented it at any time but it was more like he was waiting to see if she keeled over first before he tried some of that tasty fruit.

Just remember that the interpretation are mans perspective, but the Bible is Gods word. As I stated before, God used the hand of man as His pen. You do have to believe in Creation to have faith enough to believe that though.

 

[BrotherRickG]

Was I a bully?

Not at all, you are respectful as far as I have read. Thank you.

 

[AV1611VET]

love-thine-enemy Christian

more risky to my health

You didn't even understand the question, did you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

This is one of the misrepresentation of the scripture that I was talking about. When you read that verse it is obvious that Adam is standing right next to Eve. He could have prevented it at any time but it was more like he was waiting to see if she keeled over first before he tried some of that tasty fruit.

Just remember that the interpretation are mans perspective, but the Bible is Gods word. As I stated before, God used the hand of man as His pen. You do have to believe in Creation to have faith enough to believe that though.

Even if I knew for sure at some point the bible was the literal word of god, it has been translated and edited (badly) so much that I am unsure exactly how much of the original text is still there. Plus, much of its content is framed for a society that no longer exists. We don't kill people for working on a holy day, we don't cure skin problems by sprinkling bird blood on our houses, much of it just doesn't fit well with modern times.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You didn't even understand the question, did you?

Sorry, I skimmed, as far as loving goes, I still don't care about religion really.

 

[HitchSlap]

Actually, most of the sexist stuff in the bible (not all, but a great deal of it) is the result of poor translation, especially in the Old Testament. Think about it, most people think the serpent spoke to Eve because she would be easier to manipulate, but Adam did exactly as she said without question or thinking about it. Either Eve's input was very important (more important than a warning from god, apparently), the serpent approached what it perceived to be the dominant one in the relationship, or even the serpent wanted more of a challenge then the blindly following Adam. This also explains why Eve alone is held accountable for the fall by god as well (she was the one making decisions and not Adam. If Adam were truly considered superior to Eve, then either Eve would not have made that decision on her own, or he wouldn't have listened to her).

However, if you view it allegorically, the forbidden fruit can represent agriculture, which ended for many the hunter gatherer way of life, which was simpler but not necessarily better. Historians often propose that, since they would have more spare time than men, women are actually the first practitioners of agriculture, and the fall is the end of a simple life towards a more complicated one, but with more knowledge gained.

I had Paul in mind.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I had Paul in mind.

The word should be chatter, not speak.

 

[HitchSlap]

The word should be chatter, not speak.

No matter how you slice it, the bible is not pro-female.

The Dark Bible: Women's Inferior Status

 

[PsychoSarah]

No matter how you slice it, the bible is not pro-female.

The Dark Bible: Women's Inferior Status

I know it isn't pro female, just that a lot of the sexist stuff wasn't intended. There is plenty of sexist stuff that was intended, just not to the extent most people think.

 

[BrotherRickG]

The main reason for the earlier question of the speed of the dispersement of the "Big Bang" is to prove a point of miss-information from the evolutionary science side. The statement I quoted earlier was taken from an article on the "Big Bang" at (atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang_html) The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe. Make up your own mind, but I think this is very important information to formulate a more accurate theory.

Statement from article:
"It is possible that our universe is infinite and has been filled with matter everywhere since the Big Bang. But there is also nothing stopping the universe expanding faster than the speed of light. Although at any local point within the universe, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light; this is not true for the entire universe. There is no limit on how fast space can expand".

This is a true statement whether one believes in Big Bang or Creation. And this being the truth and we do not know the correct answer to (x)= the speed of dispersement. So that means the S.O.D. could = 2x, 5x, 100x or even 1,000,000,000x or faster than the speed of light. Therefore the measurement of a star distance would have to have this variable plugged into the formula in order to have a better understanding of the age of the universe. Also, the light did not emanate from there to here, it started from beginning point and ended up where it is so the time for the light to get to here is nonsensical. If we are close to the epicenter, which no one can say for sure if we are or not but I think we are, then the light started here and ended up where it is now. Therefore it took no time for the light to get here but the calculation is the time that it took the light to travel from here to there.