The Sabbath and the Covenants

[BobRyan]

Great observation. Truth should be based solely on the word of God.
D.L Moody or the others never claimed to be prophets.

Sadly there are "some" who like to pretend that SDAs are the only ones that "notice" certain Bible details showing the TEN Commandments to be the moral Law of God - binding on all the saints from Eden to this very day.

When people come up with such wild fictions - well then "reality" get's posted in response showing how even well known "Sunday Sources" affirm the TEN Commandments as the moral law of God binding on the saints from Eden to this very day.

"And what makes them admit to such glaringly obvious bible truth? "


That is what some may be asking.

The answer is found in the Bible -

Notice how Christ deals with religious leaders trying to find a way to set aside the commandments of God --


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

Christ said

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In Mark 7 the religious leaders had figured out a way to sidestep the 5th commandment.

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"Ok so then just who ARE some of those Sunday Sources that admit to these obvious Bible details" -- I can hear someone asking.

Thought you would never ask!


The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson



in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

When I list those Sunday Sources - very often the response is along the lines of

Seeing they all worship on Sunday,... r.

As if the idea that "Sunday Sources" worship on "Sunday" is the difficult part of the point.

Actually it is foundational to it - as it points out that even Sunday Sources are not so Bible adverse as to suggest that God's Ten Commandments be abolished.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I considered watching the video, but when I saw the time of 1 hour 28 minutes I realized that I simply can't ...

Indeed. Those who do want to spend that hour and half watching it - may want to list an actual point from the video for the rest of us.

if there is a point buried there some place - feel free to share it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

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When I list those Sunday Sources - very often the response is along the lines of



As if the idea that "Sunday Sources" worship on "Sunday" is the difficult part of the point.

Actually it is foundational to it - as it points out that even Sunday Sources are not so Bible adverse as to suggest that God's Ten Commandments be abolished.

in Christ,

Bob

No, your point is they all support the Sabbath. The fact is they don't and their practice proves it.

 

[BobRyan]

No, your point is they all support the Sabbath. The fact is they don't and their practice proves it.

Correction - I claim they say this ---

And so just what DO those sunday sources say about the Law of God - and the Covenants?? Do they agree with Paul as stated above?

Indeed they do!



God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

For those whose only concern is trying to find the best way to downsize the TEN Commandments of God "to nine" - please notice that the list of sources above are all Sunday-keeping sources.


Here is how one of those sunday keeping sources present full support of the TEN Commandments.

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Originally Posted by BobRyan

Since the question is also asked about the "Baptist Confession of Faith" affirmation of the TEN commandments as binding on all saints from Eden to this very day...

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[FONT=&quot]CH Spurgeon[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
[/FONT]
Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the Baptist Confession of Faith .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

• The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

• Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

• The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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I claim that is completely contrary to your idea of tossing the Ten Commandments under a bus.


I claim that they argue for the actual SEVENTH day Sabbath starting in Eden - applicable to all mankind - and then "bent" at the cross to point to week-day-1.




You and I have both seen the somewhat nonsensical response to that - which is of the form "oh no they now support Sunday" as if "week day 1" above - were somehow being refuted with "Sunday" -- which we both know is nonsense.


These "Sunday Sources" would quickly agree that "week day 1" is sunday.


in Christ,


Bob

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Correction - I claim they say this ---

And so just what DO those sunday sources say about the Law of God - and the Covenants?? Do they agree with Paul as stated above?

Indeed they do!



God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

For those whose only concern is trying to find the best way to downsize the TEN Commandments of God "to nine" - please notice that the list of sources above are all Sunday-keeping sources.


Here is how one of those sunday keeping sources present full support of the TEN Commandments.

================================

Originally Posted by BobRyan

Since the question is also asked about the "Baptist Confession of Faith" affirmation of the TEN commandments as binding on all saints from Eden to this very day...

==========================================

[FONT=&quot]CH Spurgeon[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
[/FONT]
Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the Baptist Confession of Faith .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

• The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

• Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

• The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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I claim that is completely contrary to your idea of tossing the Ten Commandments under a bus.


I claim that they argue for the actual SEVENTH day Sabbath starting in Eden - applicable to all mankind - and then "bent" at the cross to point to week-day-1.




You and I have both seen the somewhat nonsensical response to that - which is of the form "oh no they now support Sunday" as if "week day 1" above - were somehow being refuted with "Sunday" -- which we both know is nonsense.


These "Sunday Sources" would quickly agree that "week day 1" is sunday.


in Christ,


Bob

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And Bugkiller cited the same sources saying -

One should read Weighed and Wanting by D L Moody to see what he is calling the sabbath starting at page 18. It can be found here - Weighed and Wanting by Dwight L. Moody - Free eBook

The material already cited is from The Ten Commandments by DL Moody on the Fundamental Baptist Institute site. Please read the whole section. We find this in the section for the 4th commandment -

A man ought to turn aside from his ordinary employment one day in seven. There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath. Saturday is my day of rest, because I generally preach on Sunday, and I look forward to it as a boy does to a holiday. God knows what we need.

D L Moody is not presenting Saturday as the sabbath for the Christian. He clearly calls Sunday the sabbath. He does go on and try and apply at least some sabbath regulations to Sunday as principles to live by. The point is D L Moody is not referring to the 7th day sabbath.

It appears that MK 2:27 needs to be dealt with yet again.

23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

What is going on here? Who is Jesus addressing? Why does Moses say say something different in Exodus 16, 20; Deut 5:3? Where is the OT reference saying the sabbath was given to mankind? Genesis 2 says nothing about mankind participating in the sabbath. Exodus 16, 20 says nothing about the Egyptians being required to keep the sabbath. How does the OT relate this to all mankind? It does not in any way shape or form do such anywhere.

We find these words at Charles Stanley's Handbook for Christian Living: Biblical Answers to Life's ... - Charles F. Stanley - Google Books page 37 -

We still have a moral obligation to observe the Sabbath.

The Christian Sabbath, through the New Covenant is the Lord's Day.

The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, Sunday, the day Christ finished His labor and rose from the dead.

We find this on a devotional page - The Fourth Commandment | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org

Moreover, keeping the day of rest holy also showed one’s love for God. The rationale for Sabbath observance is the imitation of the Creator, who worked for six days and then rested on the seventh (Gen. 1:1–2:3). Fundamentally, we show our love for God in our desire and effort to be holy as He is holy; His holiness is a pattern for us to copy in our everyday lives (Eph. 5:1–2). The ancient Israelite was duty bound to structure his entire life as God structured His, with designated periods of work and rest.
The same principle of imitation applies to new covenant believers as well, although we no longer observe a seventh-day Sabbath. Instead, the first day of the week is set aside for Christian worship. There is no specific change in day mentioned in the New Testament, but the change was good and proper. Under the old covenant, the Sabbath celebrated God’s work of creation. We celebrate God’s creation under the new covenant as well, only now the focus is on the new creation in Christ (Gal. 6:15), which was established in His resurrection on the first day of the week. (bolded highligh is my addition for attention.)

It can clerarly be seen that none of the above theologians promote the keeping of the 7th day sabbath. They in fact refer to Sunday generally when using the word sabbath.

For those interested this is currently found here -

http://www.christianforums.com/t7680094/#post61453199

Neither the organizations nor the people cited teach or practice the 7th day as a requirement for the Christian meaning they don't in fact observe or teach the Ten Commandments.

 

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I claim that is completely contrary to your idea of tossing the Ten Commandments under a bus.

Who is tossing anything under the bus? We don't have to because God did if anyone did with the promise issued in Jeremiah 31 of a new covenant - not according to... which means not the same as such as in different. In fact Hebrews 8 says the New Covenant is based on promises - not law. The whole structure is different.

I claim that they argue for the actual SEVENTH day Sabbath starting in Eden - applicable to all mankind - and then "bent" at the cross to point to week-day-1.

Hmmm! I don't recall that being said anywhere in your quotes.

You and I have both seen the somewhat nonsensical response to that - which is of the form "oh no they now support Sunday" as if "week day 1" above - were somehow being refuted with "Sunday" -- which we both know is nonsense.

What did Bugkiller quote? If week day 1 isn't Sunday, what day is it?

These "Sunday Sources" would quickly agree that "week day 1" is sunday.

Wouldn't you also agree to that? If not I'd love to know why.

 

[VictorC]

Indeed. Those who do want to spend that hour and half watching it - may want to list an actual point from the video for the rest of us.

The video is rather long, because it flows at a relaxed pace that anyone can follow. It is necessarily detailed and covers many parts of the Law and the Sabbath.

if there is a point buried there some place - feel free to share it.

in Christ,

Bob

Had you not continued to spam this thread, I would be more prone to believe your request as honest. If you can constrain yourself to the topic, you would find that reasonable requests would be met with more consideration.

The sabbath was a prophetic shadow, ordained to lead us to the permanent reality. Absorbing the video would tell you the same thing I mentioned in at least one of my posts to you, but a prerequisite to this is accepting the Law as its inspired Author had it penned.

 

[Cribstyl]

Sadly there are "some" who like to pretend that SDAs are the only ones that "notice" certain Bible details showing the TEN Commandments to be the moral Law of God - binding on all the saints from Eden to this very day.

When people come up with such wild fictions - well then "reality" get's posted in response showing how even well known "Sunday Sources" affirm the TEN Commandments as the moral law of God binding on the saints from Eden to this very day.

"And what makes them admit to such glaringly obvious bible truth? "

To put it mildly, you're the great pretender. You lack bible truths, so you present commentary from people who only agree in part with you. Most of your founding pioneers have recanted and you dare to post comment from other churches members that keep Sunday? What did William Miller say about the Sabbath truth? What about D.M, Canright?

 

[BobRyan]

The sabbath was a prophetic shadow, .

The Sabbath was given in Gen 2:3 long before Sin and salvation.


Christ affirms it in Mark 2:27 speaking both of the making of mankind and the making of the Sabbath in Creation week "the Sabbath was MADE for Mankind"

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed THE Sabbath day and made it holy." That is what God said He did in Gen 2:3.

Gen 2:1-3

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

"And Sanctified it" -- "And made it Holy" -- the same word.

How sad then for those who would be at war with God's TEN Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

The Sabbath was given in Gen 2:3 long before Sin and salvation.

You were given an opportunity to defend this premise, when I pointed out how you contradict every Biblical citation you repeated here. You chose not to defend them.

This thread was offered to help those who don't know what the sabbath is, and you have offered nothing in critique of the OP or the video.

 

[DarylFawcett]

MOD HAT ON!!!!!

Thread clean up done, which means some of your posts may be missing. Focus on the topic and not on each other.

MOD HAT OFF!!!!!

 

[BobRyan]

The sabbath was a prophetic shadow, .

The Sabbath was given in Gen 2:3 long before Sin and salvation.


Christ affirms it in Mark 2:27 speaking both of the making of mankind and the making of the Sabbath in Creation week "the Sabbath was MADE for Mankind"

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed THE Sabbath day and made it holy." That is what God said He did in Gen 2:3.

Gen 2:1-3

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

"And Sanctified it" -- "And made it Holy" -- the same word.

How sad then for those who would be at war with God's TEN Commandments.

You were given an opportunity to defend this premise, when I pointed out how you contradict every Biblical citation you repeated here. You chose not to defend them.

I have a number of Bible citations showing that the Bible itself supports the fact that the same wording is used in Gen 2:3 as in Ex 20:11 when it comes to making the Sabbath "a holy day" and that Ex 20:11 appeals to the "Gen 2:3 facts alone" to make the case.

You have found this Bible detail "inconvenient" apparently and so your response above does not address it.

Fine - you have free will you can do that if you wish.

Do not expect all of us to follow that path as even the Sunday Sources I have listed reject your method for trying to ignore the Gen 2:3 Sabbath.

In terms of the video - I have asked that you make an actual point from it - if you believe it has one.

in Christ

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

You lack bible truths, so you present commentary from people who only agree in part with you.

The actual truth is somewhat different than you have stated it.

In fact I do agree with the Sunday Sources - on these details
1. Sabbath began in Eden not Sinai.
2. Sabbath as given by God was the 7th day - and began in Eden.
3. Sabbath binding on all saints from Eden to this very day.
4. ALL TEN Commandments - the moral Law of God under the NEW Covenant.
5. All saints to honor and obey the TEN Commandments from Eden to this very day.

6/The one point where I differ with them is that the Sabbath Commandment can be "bent" to point away from the 7th day as God gave it.

So then these Sunday sources oppose the argument of those here at war with God's TEN Commandments - on ALL SIX points - and agree with my views on five of those very details.

Yet it is imagined that I should not mention this glaring conflict with the crowd that they themselves mention?? These Sunday sources explicitly deal the "No more TEN Commandments" crowd.

Who was supposed to "miss that detail"?? Me??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

To put it mildly, you're the great pretender. You lack bible truths, so you present commentary ?

In this post (just prior to your own above) there are so many Bible texts listed that even the moderators did not fail to notice.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7804727-5/#post65067317.

If you object to one of these texts - please let us know which one(s).

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

I have a number of Bible citations showing that the Bible itself supports the fact that the same wording is used in Gen 2:3 as in Ex 20:11 when it comes to making the Sabbath "a holy day" and that Ex 20:11 appeals to the "Gen 2:3 facts alone" to make the case.

You have found this Bible detail "inconvenient" apparently and so your response above does not address it.

Fine - you have free will you can do that if you wish.

Do not expect all of us to follow that path as even the Sunday Sources I have listed reject your method for trying to ignore the Gen 2:3 Sabbath.

In terms of the video - I have asked that you make an actual point from it - if you believe it has one.

in Christ

Bob

I remember pointing out that the nouns used are disparate, but that point may have been made to maco and not you. None the less, I have pointed out that the seventh day and the sabbath are disparate - the former is singular, while the latter is periodic. And, the necessity of the former's existence drawn on as the reason to ordain the latter forces a disparate time they originated. Exodus 20:11 offers proof that the sabbath didn't exist in the creation account.

What you call "Sunday sources" can't be reconciled with the Law.

For the video, I summarized its message, and you haven't offered any comment on it. If you don't want to watch it and offer your opinion pursuant to the OP of this thread, that is your option that others can accept. Deterring from the OP is considered off-topic spam, and you shouldn't be surprised that your deflections aren't acceptable.

All of these have been mentioned to you before.

 

[BobRyan]

I remember pointing out that the nouns used are disparate, but that point may have been made to maco and not you. None the less, I have pointed out that the seventh day and the sabbath are disparate

The problem with that line is that God uses both in Ex 20:8-11 to refer to the Gen 2:1-3 details. And then He uses the same word for "made holy" / "sanctify" in both places for the 7th day.

Thus the obligation of the day begins in Eden.

As noted dozens of times - this point is so clear that all the following Sunday Sources - get that the Sabbath was kept at Creation by mankind.


Exodus 20:11 offers proof that the sabbath existed in the Genesis 2 account by using the same word to declare that it is made a holy day.


Those who would imagine "A holy day made by God but not kept holy" have no Bible evidence at all for it.

What you call "Sunday sources" can't be reconciled with the Law.

What I list as "Sunday Sources" all agree that the TEN Commandments still apply to the saints today AND That the Sabbath was kept in Eden.

For the video, I summarized its message, and you haven't offered any comment on it.

If you are thinking about making a point in your summary -- feel free to do it. Or post a link to a point that you would like to talk about.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

The problem with that line is that God uses both in Ex 20:8-11 to refer to the Gen 2:1-3 details. And then He uses the same word for "made holy" / "sanctify" in both places for the 7th day.

Thus the obligation of the day begins in Eden.

As noted dozens of times - this point is so clear that all the following Sunday Sources - get that the Sabbath was kept at Creation by mankind.


Exodus 20:11 offers proof that the sabbath existed in the Genesis 2 account by using the same word to declare that it is made a holy day.


Those who would imagine "A holy day made by God but not kept holy" have no Bible evidence at all for it.



What I list as "Sunday Sources" all agree that the TEN Commandments still apply to the saints today AND That the Sabbath was kept in Eden.



If you are thinking about making a point in your summary -- feel free to do it. Or post a link to a point that you would like to talk about.

in Christ,

Bob

One more time, with feeling: Deal with the content, rather than delete the argument someone shows you and pretend that it doesn't exist. By the way, how are you doing with the video linked in the OP?

 

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I have a number of Bible citations showing that the Bible itself supports the fact that the same wording is used in Gen 2:3 as in Ex 20:11 when it comes to making the Sabbath "a holy day" and that Ex 20:11 appeals to the "Gen 2:3 facts alone" to make the case.

You have found this Bible detail "inconvenient" apparently and so your response above does not address it.

Fine - you have free will you can do that if you wish.

Do not expect all of us to follow that path as even the Sunday Sources I have listed reject your method for trying to ignore the Gen 2:3 Sabbath.

In terms of the video - I have asked that you make an actual point from it - if you believe it has one.

in Christ

Bob

How does one ignore what isn't there?

 

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The problem with that line is that God uses both in Ex 20:8-11 to refer to the Gen 2:1-3 details. And then He uses the same word for "made holy" / "sanctify" in both places for the 7th day.

Thus the obligation of the day begins in Eden.

As noted dozens of times - this point is so clear that all the following Sunday Sources - get that the Sabbath was kept at Creation by mankind.


Exodus 20:11 offers proof that the sabbath existed in the Genesis 2 account by using the same word to declare that it is made a holy day.


Those who would imagine "A holy day made by God but not kept holy" have no Bible evidence at all for it.



What I list as "Sunday Sources" all agree that the TEN Commandments still apply to the saints today AND That the Sabbath was kept in Eden.



If you are thinking about making a point in your summary -- feel free to do it. Or post a link to a point that you would like to talk about.

in Christ,

Bob

Their practice of Sabbath keeping testifies against your idea.