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How Creationism hurts Christian Colleges
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Exactly, I just thought he might come back with one of his usual nutty remarks.
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Creationists are not in the least bit concerned about who or what they hurt because to be religious is to be selfish,
religion is all about the 'ME' in us, if a person can believe in an after life they can go on to tell others how wonderful they feel and how sure they are that what they believe is true, it's got to be true because they believe it,
after all they are not the kind of people who would believe something if it wasn't true, are they?
When it comes to their religion the very very last thing on a believers mind is other people,
most definitely not Christian Colleges.
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"Spoke of" does not equate to "believed were real, literal people". Jesus spoke of a Prodigal Son, but there is no reason to think that Jesus was referring to a real person.
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If you expect someone to forgo the use of logic and reason in order to be a christian, is it any wonder that some leave the church? If you expect them to accept the anti-science of creationism, is it any wonder that they are turned off?
"If the tenets of young earth creationism were true, basically all of the sciences of geology, cosmology, and biology would utterly collapse. It would be the same as saying 2 plus 2 is actually 5. The tragedy of young-earth creationism is that it takes a relatively recent and extreme view of Genesis, applies to it an unjustified scientific gloss, and then asks sincere and well-meaning seekers to swallow this whole, despite the massive discordance with decades of scientific evidence from multiple disciplines. Is it any wonder that many sadly turn away from faith concluding that they cannot believe in a God who asks for an abandonment of logic and reason?"--Francis Collins, "Faith and the Human Genome"
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2003/PSCF9-03Collins.pdf
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Are you really unaware that people speak of known fictitious people? If I said, "That guy is almost as big as Paul Bunyan", would you think that Paul Bunyan was a real person?
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We aren't talking about Paul Bunyan. The quote was by Jesus Christ, not James MacGillivray. You said there is no reason to think He was talking about a real person. I would like to see what proof you have that He was not.
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The burden of proof is yours. You are claiming that Jesus referred to these Biblical characters as real, literal people. Simply mentioning them is not that evidence, as I have already shown.
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No, it is not. Let me refresh your memory. You said, "Jesus spoke of a Prodigal Son, but there is no reason to think that Jesus was referring to a real person." The fact that used the name of Jesus and didn't say, "According to your mythology, Jesus spoke..." You admitted by your post that Jesus was a real person and that He did, in fact, speak about the prodigal son. So if you admit that Jesus was real and you admit that He told the story that was recorded, then you must have some evidence that He made it up since you asserted such. Please supply the evidence.
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Let me refresh yours.
"Since He spoke of Noah, Caine and Jonah by name, obviously He considered them real people."--KWCrazy
That is the claim that I responded to. It is your claim, so the burden of proof falls to you. You need to show that simply speaking of a biblical character means that you always consider them to be real people. Please supply the evidence.
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There is no reason to believe otherwise. If Jesus spoke of them as real people then they were real people. Jesus didn't give the prodigal son a name. Perhaps the story was a literal retelling, perhaps it was an illustration only. You interjected it as evidence that Jesus was NOT talking about literal people who had really existed. It stands to reason then that you must have some kind of evidence to back that up. Personally, I'm confident of the existence of the ones He named, but unsure about the last one. Still, I wouldn't interject the reference to discredit the existence of the others unless I had evidence to validate my assertion.
We both know you don't have that evidence. I was simply proving that you didn't have the fortitude to admit it.
We both know you don't have that evidence. I was simply proving that you didn't have the fortitude to admit it.
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I have already shown you the reasons. If you ask a child what Santa brought them this year, would this indicate that you believe in Santa?
That is the claim you need to support.
Can you show us a verse where Jesus says, "Noah was a real person"?
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