Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[SAAN]

There has been alot of threads lately about Christians not keeping the Sabbath, so my questions to the SDA's and other Sabbath keepers that thinks Sunday is so wrong and that they are following the commands of God, do you keep the Sabbaths listed in Lev 23 along with the weekly Sabbath too?

If not, why, as they are commands of God too.
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Leviticus 23

Feasts of the Lord

23 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the Lord, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
The Sabbath

3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

The Passover and Unleavened Bread

4 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”

The Feast of Firstfruits

9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the Lord. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the Lord, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks

15 ‘And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. 17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the Lord. 18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the Lord. 19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. 21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”

The Feast of Trumpets

23 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’”

The Day of Atonement

26 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 27 “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. 28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

The Feast of Tabernacles

33 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.
37 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the Lord, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— 38 besides the Sabbaths of the Lord, besides your gifts, besides all your vows, and besides all your freewill offerings which you give to the Lord.
39 ‘Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall keep it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.’”
44 So Moses declared to the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.

 

[SAAN]

Come on Sabbatarians and SDA's, you have been very active the past week in saying Christians are wrong for putting aside the commandments of God for the tradition of men.

Since you say sin is transgression of the law, Lev 23 lays out all the Sabbath we are supposed to be keeping and I can show many biblical examples there were still keeping these days years after the death of CHrist.

 

[SilverBlade]

Maybe add in animal sacrifice and stoning too, as they are commandments from God as well

 

[SAAN]

Maybe add in animal sacrifice and stoning too, as they are commandments from God as well

But those were not valid after the cross though and jesus and the disciples didn't teach us to do that either.

 

[maco]

Come on Sabbatarians and SDA's, you have been very active the past week in saying Christians are wrong for putting aside the commandments of God for the tradition of men.

Since you say sin is transgression of the law, Lev 23 lays out all the Sabbath we are supposed to be keeping and I can show many biblical examples there were still keeping these days years after the death of CHrist.

If you read LEV 23 you will see how God makes a distinction between the seventh day Sabbath and all the shadows that were instituted as a result of sin. The seventh day was created and blessed before sin. It was protected by God's law and Jesus is called Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[SAAN]

If you read LEV 23 you will see how God makes a distinction between the seventh day Sabbath and all the shadows that were instituted as a result of sin. The seventh day was created and blessed before sin. It was protected by God's law and Jesus is called Lord of the Sabbath.

When Paul said shadow he said shadows of things to come. Christ already came so he was referring to the future and they were still observing the days too.

 

[SilverBlade]

If you read LEV 23 you will see how God makes a distinction between the seventh day Sabbath and all the shadows that were instituted as a result of sin. The seventh day was created and blessed before sin. It was protected by God's law and Jesus is called Lord of the Sabbath.

Show me within Genesis where God himself said to Adam/Eve to rest on the 7th day.

 

[SAAN]

Show me within Genesis where God himself said to Adam/Eve to rest on the 7th day.

He needs to also show where along with Adam, where did he tell Noah or Abraham that command as well?

 

[mmksparbud]

Show me within Genesis where God himself said to Adam/Eve to rest on the 7th day.

It's probably next to the verse that says God has now changed His 7th day sabbath to Sunday and we are to keep that day instead.

Leviticus is not part of the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments (not suggestions) that were written by the hand of God Almighty--permanent, unchanging--as He is.
The sabbath was made for man--not man for the sabbath and man was made on the 6th day--and God wanted to spend that 7th day with man. After man had opened his eyes and seen the world that God had created for him, and explored it, and seen the wonderous animals--that 1st day must have been a whopper--Adam wasn't created a baby--he had a fully functional intelligence with full use of his brain and that first day he must have been on sensory overload--we can't even comprehend that kind of awakening. And then came sabbath--a day to spend completely with the One who created Him, to rest his brain from the wonders of his surroundings and get to know an even greater wonder, His creator. That must have been awesome.

And about those God written commandments as opposed to the verbal ones--you can argue that anything God said was of equal importance and permanence--but God apparently didn't think so. He knew there would come a time when the Levitical laws would no longer be needed as Christ would become the sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. What anyone writes down is always considered more important--that's why autographs are so sought after. Why the hand written works of an author is valued greater than a type written copy. A signed painting fetches a far greater price than an unsigned one. Writings are studied, to make sure they are not forgeries. The One and Only God Almighty of the entire universe with His own hand writes down 10 things He wants man to know and they are not considered important anymore??!! What would be the value of that piece of the wall upon which was written the future of Babylon?? What about that piece of dirt upon which Christ wrote down something that people still speculate about?? And what price those hand written tablets?? Those Dead sea scrolls are treated more carefully than diamonds, those first hand written bibles are priceless--but something written by God Himself is now worthless??!! They are not greater than Him, He is what makes what He has written have value. It is His love letter to the world. They tell us how He wants to be loved and how He wants us to love each other. They will not save you--His love alone does. But they are His expression of Himself to us--Thank you Lord!!

 

[SAAN]

It's probably next to the verse that says God has now changed His 7th day sabbath to Sunday and we are to keep that day instead.

Leviticus is not part of the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments (not suggestions) that were written by the hand of God Almighty--permanent, unchanging--as He is.
The sabbath was made for man--not man for the sabbath and man was made on the 6th day--and God wanted to spend that 7th day with man. After man had opened his eyes and seen the world that God had created for him, and explored it, and seen the wonderous animals--that 1st day must have been a whopper--Adam wasn't created a baby--he had a fully functional intelligence with full use of his brain and that first day he must have been on sensory overload--we can't even comprehend that kind of awakening. And then came sabbath--a day to spend completely with the One who created Him, to rest his brain from the wonders of his surroundings and get to know an even greater wonder, His creator. That must have been awesome.

And about those God written commandments as opposed to the verbal ones--you can argue that anything God said was of equal importance and permanence--but God apparently didn't think so. He knew there would come a time when the Levitical laws would no longer be needed as Christ would become the sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. What anyone writes down is always considered more important--that's why autographs are so sought after. Why the hand written works of an author is valued greater than a type written copy. A signed painting fetches a far greater price than an unsigned one. Writings are studied, to make sure they are not forgeries. The One and Only God Almighty of the entire universe with His own hand writes down 10 things He wants man to know and they are not considered important anymore??!! What would be the value of that piece of the wall upon which was written the future of Babylon?? What about that piece of dirt upon which Christ wrote down something that people still speculate about?? And what price those hand written tablets?? Those Dead sea scrolls are treated more carefully than diamonds, those first hand written bibles are priceless--but something written by God Himself is now worthless??!! They are not greater than Him, He is what makes what He has written have value. It is His love letter to the world. They tell us how He wants to be loved and how He wants us to love each other. They will not save you--His love alone does. But they are His expression of Himself to us--Thank you Lord!!

Not all the Levitical laws were abolished, God nor Jesus never gave the okay to eat a rat or snake, so Lev 11 is still valid. Sexual sin is defined in Lev 18, so that is still valid. So if those were valid, how come all of a sudden Sabbath Days which God said are his days, not the Jews are no longer valid except the 7th day and Jesus himself said to keep the Passover.

 

[SilverBlade]

It's probably next to the verse that says God has now changed His 7th day sabbath to Sunday and we are to keep that day instead.

Leviticus is not part of the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments (not suggestions) that were written by the hand of God Almighty--permanent, unchanging--as He is.
The sabbath was made for man--not man for the sabbath and man was made on the 6th day--and God wanted to spend that 7th day with man. After man had opened his eyes and seen the world that God had created for him, and explored it, and seen the wonderous animals--that 1st day must have been a whopper--Adam wasn't created a baby--he had a fully functional intelligence with full use of his brain and that first day he must have been on sensory overload--we can't even comprehend that kind of awakening. And then came sabbath--a day to spend completely with the One who created Him, to rest his brain from the wonders of his surroundings and get to know an even greater wonder, His creator. That must have been awesome.

And about those God written commandments as opposed to the verbal ones--you can argue that anything God said was of equal importance and permanence--but God apparently didn't think so. He knew there would come a time when the Levitical laws would no longer be needed as Christ would become the sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. What anyone writes down is always considered more important--that's why autographs are so sought after. Why the hand written works of an author is valued greater than a type written copy. A signed painting fetches a far greater price than an unsigned one. Writings are studied, to make sure they are not forgeries. The One and Only God Almighty of the entire universe with His own hand writes down 10 things He wants man to know and they are not considered important anymore??!! What would be the value of that piece of the wall upon which was written the future of Babylon?? What about that piece of dirt upon which Christ wrote down something that people still speculate about?? And what price those hand written tablets?? Those Dead sea scrolls are treated more carefully than diamonds, those first hand written bibles are priceless--but something written by God Himself is now worthless??!! They are not greater than Him, He is what makes what He has written have value. It is His love letter to the world. They tell us how He wants to be loved and how He wants us to love each other. They will not save you--His love alone does. But they are His expression of Himself to us--Thank you Lord!!

You really didn't answer my question: where does God tell Adam to rest on the 7th day in Genesis? Where does God tell Abraham about the Sabbath? Where does God tell Noah about the Sabbath?

The very first instance on this is with Moses. Not before (unless you can show in scripture where it is *before* Moses coming from God himself).

I know you're going to show Genesis 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.". BUT..it says 'He had rested' not "he told Adam and Eve to rest."

 

[maco]

Show me within Genesis where God himself said to Adam/Eve to rest on the 7th day.

The day was created holy we should remember to keep it holy just a as God created it. How you keep it holy, by making the special, is up to you.

 

[maco]

He needs to also show where along with Adam, where did he tell Noah or Abraham that command as well?

The Bible says the law was given because of transgression. That means they were violating the law before it was written in stone. Cain was never told that murder was wrong yet he was guilty of sin. The Bible never said homosexuality was wrong prior to Sodom. God did say the seventh day was holy and sanctified. Those two words have meaning to God.

 

[SAAN]

The Bible says the law was given because of transgression. That means they were violating the law before it was written in stone. Cain was never told that murder was wrong yet he was guilty of sin. The Bible never said homosexuality was wrong prior to Sodom. God did say the seventh day was holy and sanctified. Those two words have meaning to God.

You have pointed out in many threads that Paul, Jesus, and all the apostles still kept the Sabbath after the death of Jesus and you are correct if you are to view the scriptures in context and dont try to twist anything. But at the same time Paul and all the apostles and Gentile New Testament Christians also kept Gods Feast days as well too.


1 Corinthians 11:1


Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.


-Paul say we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept after the death of Jesus


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Day of Pentecost[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Acts 2:1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.
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[FONT=&quot]-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Petencost that Sunday.[/FONT]
Acts 20:16

16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurry to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years now but he still observing it.
1 Corinthians 16:8

8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
1 Corinthians 5:7-8

7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread
1 Corinthians 11:23-25

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days.

Acts 12:1-4

12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

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Feast of Taberncales
Acts 18:20-21

20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem;[a] but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.


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The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10

9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”




So since you have pointed out that sin is transgression of the law and the law is the 1st 5 books of the bible, Lev 23 lays out the Sabbaths that God said are to be observed as they are HIS holy days, not the Jews.


So how can Christians be in sin for not keeping the Sabbath, yet you are not in sin for not keeping Gods holy days which I just proved were clearly observed by the New Testament Church years after Jesus dead and were never done away with?


Like saying my sin is not as bad as yours!!!

 

[maco]

You have pointed out in many threads that Paul, Jesus, and all the apostles still kept the Sabbath after the death of Jesus and you are correct if you are to view the scriptures in context and dont try to twist anything. But at the same time Paul and all the apostles and Gentile New Testament Christians also kept Gods Feast days as well too.


1 Corinthians 11:1


Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.


-Paul say we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept after the death of Jesus


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Day of Pentecost[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Acts 2:1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.
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[FONT=&quot]-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Petencost that Sunday.[/FONT]
Acts 20:16

16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurry to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years now but he still observing it.
1 Corinthians 16:8

8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
1 Corinthians 5:7-8

7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread
1 Corinthians 11:23-25

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days.

Acts 12:1-4

12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

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Feast of Taberncales
Acts 18:20-21

20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem;[a] but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.


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The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10

9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”




So since you have pointed out that sin is transgression of the law and the law is the 1st 5 books of the bible, Lev 23 lays out the Sabbaths that God said are to be observed as they are HIS holy days, not the Jews.


So how can Christians be in sin for not keeping the Sabbath, yet you are not in sin for not keeping Gods holy days which I just proved were clearly observed by the New Testament Church years after Jesus dead and were never done away with?


Like saying my sin is not as bad as yours!!!

I view the Ten Commandments separate from the shadows though they are both spoken of as law. The shadows are fulfilled I'm Christ so we are not to judge anyone in the shadows. If you want to keep the shadows that's fine and I'm not to judge you in how you do celebrate them. Paul said to those who are under the law I'll be as one who is under the law, in other words, he celebrated the Feast days like all those who are still under the law but to those who are not under the law he lived as one who is not under the law so that he might save some. This is not referring to the Ten commandments. Paul is not saying, "To those who commit adultery I'll commit adultery so that I might save some" He was referring to the shadows so that's why you read of him celebrating the Feast days with those who were celebrating them not because they were required.

 

[Setyoufree]

The Bible never said homosexuality was wrong prior to Sodom.

Good point....

God did say the seventh day was holy and sanctified. Those two words have meaning to God.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

The 7th day, as it pointed to God's perfect & sinless creation, came before the entrance of sin.

If Adam and Eve had never fallen into sin then God would not have given His law to point out sin.

 

[Setyoufree]

If Adam and Eve had never fallen into sin then God would not have given His law to point out sin.

So the Sabbath existed before the law.

Yes, it was included in the law, but again it existed before the law.

You can see the Sabbath in the law here:

Ex 20:8 "Remember the Sabbathhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-15 day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-16 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbathhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-17 to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work,...(why?) 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth,http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-18 the sea, and all that is in them, but he restedhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-19 on the seventh day....

That last part is lifted right out of Genesis.

 

[BobRyan]

There are a number of threads here talking about keep the TEN Commandments - vs downsizing them to "just NINE" or else abolishing them.

Sunday keeping Sources that AGREE with the TEN and not a downsized-NINE include


The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

For those whose only concern is trying to find the best way to downsize the TEN Commandments of God "to nine" - please notice that the list of sources above are all Sunday-keeping sources.

So in addition to that group above that affirm TEN Commandments as still binding on the saints today - we also have a group that affirms that point AND also that "God's commandments cannot be EDITED".

Those groups include

Seventh-day Baptists,
Seventh-day Adventists
100's of other Seventh-day groups.

There has been alot of threads lately about Christians not keeping the Sabbath, so my questions to the SDA's and other Sabbath keepers that thinks Sunday is so wrong and that they are following the commands of God, do you keep the Sabbaths ....

So now to answer that question - which is a good one and a basic one - we will let the TEN Commandment affirming SUNDAY keeping sources have first crack at it.

Here is how one of those sunday keeping sources present full support of the TEN Commandments.

Originally Posted by BobRyan

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“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
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Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the Baptist Confession of Faith .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

• The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

• Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

• The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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I have pretty much the same statement from the "Westminster Confession of Faith" for those who prefer that source

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So that is how the Sunday keeping sources that are TEN COMMANDMENT affirming groups solve the problem - by admitting that there are laws that are civil, some ceremonial and some moral-law in the OT of which the TEN Commandments are "moral law" ever binding on mankind.


Credit where credit is due - they get that part right.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

You have pointed out in many threads that Paul, Jesus, and all the apostles still kept the Sabbath after the death of Jesus and you are correct if you are to view the scriptures in context and dont try to twist anything. But at the same time Paul and all the apostles and Gentile New Testament Christians also kept Gods Feast days as well too.

1 Corinthians 11:1
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

-Paul say we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept after the death of Jesus


Day of Pentecost
[FONT=&quot]Acts 2:1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.
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[FONT=&quot]-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Petencost that Sunday.[/FONT]
Acts 20:16

16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurry to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years now but he still observing it.
1 Corinthians 16:8

8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

It is true that Paul is keeping feast days but the gentile Christians are not - and that is because of the statement in Hebrews 10 about all sacrifices and offerings being at an end.

Acts 21 is clear that Paul not only kept the ceremonial law but he even paid to have 4 other Christian Jews join him in doing so.

But in Romans 14 when speaking of that list of annual Sabbaths in Lev 23 Paul points out that one observes ONE ABOVE the others while another observes them all and that it was an individual choice.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
1 Corinthians 5:7-8

7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

That is a specific reference to "Christ our PASSOVER has been sacrificed" - so no new animal sacrifice - but an every day life of the Christian.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread
1 Corinthians 11:23-25

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion.

We still celebrate the Lord's Supper as it turns out.

Acts 12:1-4

12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

It shows that the non-Christian Jews in Jerusalem that Herod was trying to please were keeping it. No doubt the Christian Jews as well.

Feast of Taberncales
Acts 18:20-21

20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem;[a] but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10

9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”

Indeed. Acts 21 points out specifically that Paul was observant.

But He never requires Gentiles to observe the ceremonial laws of animal sacrifices and offerings as even HE notes in Hebrews 10 and Galatians 2 regarding Titus.

Thus Paul can say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 when contrasting the ceremonial law with the Moral law of God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[SAAN]

It is true that Paul is keeping feast days but the gentile Christians are not - and that is because of the statement in Hebrews 10 about all sacrifices and offerings being at an end.

Acts 21 is clear that Paul not only kept the ceremonial law but he even paid to have 4 other Christian Jews join him in doing so.

But in Romans 14 when speaking of that list of annual Sabbaths in Lev 23 Paul points out that one observes ONE ABOVE the others while another observes them all and that it was an individual choice.

That is a specific reference to "Christ our PASSOVER has been sacrificed" - so no new animal sacrifice - but an every day life of the Christian.


We still celebrate the Lord's Supper as it turns out.


It shows that the non-Christian Jews in Jerusalem that Herod was trying to please were keeping it. No doubt the Christian Jews as well.

Indeed. Acts 21 points out specifically that Paul was observant.

But He never requires Gentiles to observe the ceremonial laws of animal sacrifices and offerings as even HE notes in Hebrews 10 and Galatians 2 regarding Titus.

Thus Paul can say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 when contrasting the ceremonial law with the Moral law of God.

in Christ,

Bob

The 10 commandments are just 10 of the 613 commands God gave. His feast days are not ceremonial as Jesus himself said to keep the passover, which means they were not abolished. SO if you are going to push Saturday sabbath, you might and well be obedient and do the rest of them from Lev 23 since you want to follow his commands.