What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[GenemZ]

You are speaking as if Christainity is something completely new. It is not. It is a continuation of God relationship with His Creation.
Christianity is just the name given after Christ came. But it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.

We are something entirely new. Something never seen before in history of believers. And, you have no clue? Are you sure you are saved?

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ he is a new creation; the old has passed away. Behold, an entirely new thing has come!
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You read that.. Christians are in Christ! We are just as the woman was in Adam before she was to be revealed! We are the Bride of Christ! Its a new thing! We will be bone of his bones, and flesh of his glorious heavenly flesh. Our resurrection body will be just like his own. We are now "in his side." Keeping the Sabbath is stupid once you know what God has given his new creation. We are not to be like the Jews were.

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Not every believer throughout history had been chosen before the foundations of the world, by God, to be the Bride of Christ! Not Moses. Not David. Not the OT believers! But, you? You are trying to live in a way of the old type believer! It's really so stupid to us. Unappealing. We are having patience with you. But, it is very stupid to us. Just like the Catholic who insists upon doing Rosary and worshiping Mary, kind of stupid. Religion.

New Creation.. The Greek text reveals that the Christian had become at regeneration something entirely new and unlike any believer that had ever had preceded him. Something entirely New! We are a new spiritual species. The darkness can not comprehend this light.

Sadly.. You are living in the dullness of religious thinking which is trying to serve God with only a form of religion. What you do, is without the living spiritual life. Its a unique life the defies human definition unless you yourself possess it for your yourself from God.

You think like someone who needs to be born again. You are only religious. Not having any evidence of possessing the Spirit. For, there is no Holy Spirit invigoration of genuine spirituality to open your eyes to see what can no be seen by men without God's grace being given you.

The Jews that kept the Sabbath religiously. They never had the indwelling Holy Spirit. Even those Jews who were believers never had the indwelling Holy Spirit. All Jews, believer and unbeliever, had to keep the Sabbath Day. It was not only for the believer. Christianity is only for the believer.

You are politely living like the religious Jews who rejected Jesus Christ. Like those who clung to their religion "religiously." They were absolutely certain they were right. After all? It was religion that sent Jesus to the Cross.

Galatians 6:12-15

Those who want to impress people by means of the flesh are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh. May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.


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Its not keeping a Sabbath Day that separates (sanctification) us from the world.

Gal 6:14-15

May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.


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Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Acts 16:31

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Sabbath that God ordain, sanctified, blessed and hallowed is a religious-cult-practise? It therefore becomes necessary for us to correct God's short-sightedness. Sunday is the rest day even thought it is not the Sabbath that God instituted!

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The whole sacrificial system was a religious-cult-practise and it was changed by God not by "us". The seventh day as a day of rest and religious ceremony was a religious-cult-practise and it was changed by God not by "us". The moral requirement to give rest to one's employees and to take rest for one's self remains and "we" carry it out by following apostolic example of rest & worship on the first day of the week if that is possible. And since "Sabbath" means "rest" it follows that the rest Christians take as a sign of the rest that Christians receive in Christ is the Sabbath of God.

 

[annier]

This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created.
The old thread automatically closed is here: "What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??"

So, the poll is already closed! That is ok, because there was no choice for me to select. My choice would have been one that said, the ten commandments are (as Judaism teaches) ten categories (or principals).
The way (manner) in which those categories are to be fulfilled are not forever, or to all people. The law of Moses was one manner in which to fulfill them. The Son's of Arron did so one way, the Levites another, So too, Abraham Which was before the law of Moses. And lastly Christ another way. So the ten are to be kept, but the law can both distinguish between persons and their WAY of fulfilling them as well as the law which instructs on how to keep them can change.

 

[GenemZ]

The Sabbath that God ordain, sanctified, blessed and hallowed is a religeoud-cult-practise? It therefore becomes necessary for us to correct God's shortsightedness. Sunday is the rest day even thought it is not the Sabbath that God instituted!
Can everyone in this forum admit sincerely before God that this is what He requires?
And I am accused of blasphemy.

If a Christian wants to keep a Sabbath day to rest? He can if that is what he wants to do. But, its not required by law any longer.

If you enjoy keeping a Sabbath day? Fine. But, its not something God requires for us to religiously keep. Instead, He desires for us to enter into a resting in our souls that keeps us in a supernatural peace that the world (including yourself) does not understand.

Colossians 2:16-17


Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


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Letting no one judge you pertained to both those who wanted to observe a Sabbath day and those who chose not to. It was no longer required by law. If you want to assign a certain day of the week for rest? Then, do so. But do not make it law. Live and let live. Notice, that passage does not say... "the Sabbath day." Instead, it says... "a Sabbath day." The word "the" does not appear in the text. It was pertaining to the principle of days of rest. You want to keep Sabbaths? Fine. Live and let live. Stop trying to run other peoples lives. It appears you crave to be a boss over other people, and this religion of yours provides a means to try to run other peoples lives.

If people were not so nice, they would beat the crap out of you for trying to run their lives. We are not under the Law any longer.

Galatians 2:21

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”




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[Sophrosyne]

If people were not so nice, they would beat the crap out of you for trying to run their lives. We are not under the Law any longer.

Under the Law they were required to "beat the crap out of you" (stoning) for not keeping the Sabbath, nice has nothing to do with that at all.

 

[GenemZ]

Under the Law they were required to "beat the crap out of you" (stoning) for not keeping the Sabbath, nice has nothing to do with that at all.

Its interesting how certain things have completely reversed since the Cross. The very Cross that his way of life denies having actually taken place. He does acknowledge the historical crucifixion, but he keeps failing to see the life that came out of the Cross of Jesus Christ. That really does not mean he is not saved. Only that his rejection of grace leaves us wondering if he is saved. A believer who rejects grace, yet wants to follow Scripture. Is like a religious Jew who follows Scripture who never believed in Christ.

The Lord is not pleased with those whom reject his grace. In the age of the Jews they were approved of God by what they chose to obey and do.

In this age of grace, we are approved of God when we choose to be willing to become transformed inwardly by the Spirit. Obeying the Law was only an outward conformity. Walking in grace and truth, is having God reach in our innermost man and molding and transforming us supernaturally into sharing the thinking of Christ. We have been given the mind of Christ. That is, if we choose to walk in the Spirit and perceive Truth, and begin to look at reality through the eyes of God. God the Holy Spirit.

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory,
are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory,
which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:18



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[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

You are speaking as if Christainity is something completely new. It is not. It is a continuation of God relationship with His Creation.
Christianity is just the name given after Christ came. But it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.
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We are something entirely new. Something never seen before in history of believers. And, you have no clue? Are you sure you are saved?

I Speak with the authority of the bible, Rev. 12.
The woman was with child. The woman: the church. The Child: Christ.
Clearly the church exist when Christ came and still exist today. God, His church and His means of salvation was always the same. Jew or gentile.

 

[Elder 111]

The whole sacrificial system was a religious-cult-practise and it was changed by God not by "us". The seventh day as a day of rest and religious ceremony was a religious-cult-practise and it was changed by God not by "us". The moral requirement to give rest to one's employees and to take rest for one's self remains and "we" carry it out by following apostolic example of rest & worship on the first day of the week if that is possible. And since "Sabbath" means "rest" it follows that the rest Christians take as a sign of the rest that Christians receive in Christ is the Sabbath of God.

Show me when and where the Sabbath was changed by God! Unbiblical. Hogwash. Must be the pork eating.

 

[Elder 111]

If a Christian wants to keep a Sabbath day to rest? He can if that is what he wants to do. But, its not required by law any longer.

If you enjoy keeping a Sabbath day? Fine. But, its not something God requires for us to religiously keep. Instead, He desires for us to enter into a resting in our souls that keeps us in a supernatural peace that the world (including yourself) does not understand.

Colossians 2:16-17


Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


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Letting no one judge you pertained to both those who wanted to observe a Sabbath day and those who chose not to. It was no longer required by law. If you want to assign a certain day of the week for rest? Then, do so. But do not make it law. Live and let live. Notice, that passage does not say... "the Sabbath day." Instead, it says... "a Sabbath day." The word "the" does not appear in the text. It was pertaining to the principle of days of rest. You want to keep Sabbaths? Fine. Live and let live. Stop trying to run other peoples lives. It appears you crave to be a boss over other people, and this religion of yours provides a means to try to run other peoples lives.

If people were not so nice, they would beat the crap out of you for trying to run their lives. We are not under the Law any longer.

Galatians 2:21

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”




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Beating me would not be bad, Jesus and many others died. I some day may have to die for the truth as many other will also.

 

[GenemZ]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

You are speaking as if Christainity is something completely new. It is not. It is a continuation of God relationship with His Creation.
Christianity is just the name given after Christ came. But it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.
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I Speak with the authority of the bible, Rev. 12.
The woman was with child. The woman: the church. The Child: Christ.
Clearly the church exist when Christ came and still exist today. God, His church and His means of salvation was always the same. Jew or gentile.

You have an obnoxious knack for diverting to other issues...

Jesus did not come so that Christians would be required to keep the Sabbath. That was given to be as a sign between the Lord and his chosen Jews.

You are really not being humble about this. If you were? You would be asking for us to explain things. Instead, you keep zig zagging and ducking everything.

 

[VictorC]

I Speak with the authority of the bible, Rev. 12.
The woman was with child. The woman: the church. The Child: Christ.
Clearly the church exist when Christ came and still exist today. God, His church and His means of salvation was always the same. Jew or gentile.

Logical fallacy alert: avoiding the content of a post by introducing a strawman that isn't remotely related. Besides, your interpretation is false; children don't give birth to their parent, and the woman mentioned in Revelation 12:4-5 isn't the church.

Your fallacy is a concession that the post you responded to is correct, and you have no defense for your view.

 

[VictorC]

Beating me would not be bad, Jesus and many others died. I some day may have to die for the truth as many other will also.

Here's your rendition of "truth":

it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.

You saw the citations covering many previously-discussed quotes from Scripture you chose to discard. The result is repeating a soteriology incompatible with the Biblical Gospel Christianity affirms.

When you find that commandment to keep the sabbath unholy, you can go find where you're expected to commit suicide for embracing error. Good luck, Mr Phelps. This tape will self-destruct in five seconds.

 

[GenemZ]

Beating me would not be bad, Jesus and many others died. I some day may have to die for the truth as many other will also.

Martyr complexes are found go well with those who desire false teachings. If you do not repent of your error? And, you find yourself facing death? You will not be dying for the truth. Instead, you will be dying for having denied the truth. For, the Bible tells us that there is a sin onto death for wayward believers.

If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. 1 John 5:16
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Those who desire sound doctrine go well if they ever need to face martyrdom. But, otherwise these live their lives not seeking anything, nor expecting it.

But, if it happens? God's grace is amazing in those situations.

Apostates in their insecurity about their eternal fate, can seek to die for God to prove to Him their love. Just look at the degenerate Muslims.

Mature believers do not look to face it as a means to prove their love for God. God would only let them face it if their love had been already well proven. God's grace is amazing in those situations. It can take the believer by surprise as the peace takes over. A peace that he knows is not coming from himself. Nor, could it.

Wishing for you to find the Truth in Christ. You can not find it in the Law. You can only find commands to do in the Law, to have your flesh conform to a system. In Christ, you follow commands as the means to find who God wants you to become transformed into in Christ. With the way of Truth you do not conform. You, transform. By the power of God making you into the Word made flesh.

 

[VictorC]

You have an obnoxious knack for diverting to other issues....

Its a defense mechanism employed by feral animals when they're cornered.

 

[GenemZ]

Its a defense mechanism employed by feral animals when they're cornered.

You can feed them. Maybe, God will adopt some.

 

[VictorC]

You can feed them.

Nope. Feral animals won't eat what you offer them!

Maybe, God will adopt some.

That falls outside the purview of a discussion forum. It just isn't designed to determine God's elect.

 

[GenemZ]

Nope. Feral animals won't eat what you offer them!

I had a neighbor who fed stray cats that she told me were feral.

That falls outside the purview of a discussion forum. It just isn't designed to determine God's elect.

I said... "maybe." Nothing more. Nothing less. We are told to feed our enemies.

 

[VictorC]

I had a neighbor who fed stray cats that she told me were feral.
I said... "maybe." Nothing more. Nothing less. We are told to feed our enemies.

Wild cats, like foxes and deer, will not come within 25 feet of a human. Those stray cats your neighbor feeds have become acclimatized to humans in their environment, and are not entirely feral anymore. Try feeding barn cats, and you'll see what I mean - they're gone for the next parcel of real estate. And like a feral animal, the defense mechanism we've witnessed is one of logical fallacies and abject denial while looking for a way to scamper out of reach. Failing to address the content of a post is not fit to call discussion.

 

[GenemZ]

Failing to address the content of a post is not fit to call discussion.

Don't take it personally.. He does the same thing to the Holy Spirit as well.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The whole sacrificial system was a religious-cult-practise and it was changed by God not by "us". The seventh day as a day of rest and religious ceremony was a religious-cult-practise and it was changed by God not by "us". The moral requirement to give rest to one's employees and to take rest for one's self remains and "we" carry it out by following apostolic example of rest & worship on the first day of the week if that is possible. And since "Sabbath" means "rest" it follows that the rest Christians take as a sign of the rest that Christians receive in Christ is the Sabbath of God.

Show me when and where the Sabbath was changed by God! Unbiblical. Hogwash. Must be the pork eating.

Jesus said, the weekly rest was made for man and not man for the sake of the weekly rest. What counts is service for the benefit of man. Not slavery to rules and dictates of human religious law makers.

The context is as follows:

Mark 2:23 One Sabbath he was going through the cornfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” 25 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: 26 how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” 27 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”​

The NT develops the OT teaching on the Sabbath in three important directions. It declares that the Sabbath should not be observed in a legalistic manner; the Sabbath-rest is treated as an important symbol of the Christian doctrine of salvation; and finally, the NT itself indicates how Sunday, rather than Saturday, came to be seen as the Christian Sabbath.

Ceremonial observance must give way before any higher, or more spiritual, motive Mt 12:5-6 See also Lk 6:5

Sabbath reading of Scripture provided an opportunity for reaching the JewsAc 17:2 See also Ac 13:14,27,42,44; Ac 15:21; Ac 16:13; Ac 18:4

Sabbath observance was optional for Gentile ChristiansCol 2:16

The Lord’s DayRev 1:10 At an early stage the Sabbath was replaced by Sunday (the first day of the week) as the day for rest and worship. See also Jn 20:19,26; Ac 20:7; 1Co 16:2

The Sabbath-rest is seen as a symbol of the salvation of the people of GodHeb 4:1 The OT promise of rest was unfulfilled, on account of Israel’s disobedience; Heb 3:18-19; Heb 4:9 The OT promise of rest remains open.

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