Why did Jesus keep the law?

[LittleLambofJesus]

See my siggy.

And in the Preaching of Peter you will find the Lord called the Law and the Word. - Clement of Alexandria, Stromata 1:19
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It pleased the Lord for the sake of his righteousness to make his law great and glorious. - Isaiah 42:21
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Nice siggy. And your point?
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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Jesus kept the law to be the righteous means of bringing in grace.

 

[brinny]

Jesus kept the law to be the righteous means of bringing in grace.

Amen. this is deep, what a great study this would be.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by maid in His image

Jesus kept the law to be the righteous means of bringing in grace.
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Amen. this is deep, what a great study this would be.

Yes it would be!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7385872/
Law Vs. Grace, Or Law AND Grace?

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

I have seen many disputes concerning the nature of the law and the nature of grace. It seems that some believe they are competitive, as in "The Law Vs. Grace".

It seems some feel they are mutually exclusive, as in "if we are under law we are not under grace, and if we are under grace we are under no law".

In what i see from scripture i believe there is a better view, which i will present as the law of "Law AND Grace".

I am a gentile grafted into the House of Israel, which IS the church of God and are the children of God, after all, the church is nothing more than a sect of the Jew, and it is from this unique position that i have observed this within the church...

Having attended several denominational and nondenominational churches, as well as having the pleasure of studying the Tenach and the Torah from a Jewish perspective at times, i have noted that Some within the denominational churches snub their noses at the law, claiming "i am not under the law because i am under grace". On the flip side i have seen some imply there was no grace before and during the Law.

I wish to show that from Adam til now, there has always been law and there has always been grace, and that Yeshuah is the fulfillment of both.

i will try to be brief so as to not make this a book
Adam - Adam was under the law of "Thou shalt not eat of this tree". We know that Adam ate of the tree following his wife.

Adam in reality was the only man that ever lived, who was in the position of playing the role played by Yeshuah Himself, as Savior of the world. We know though that when he fell, he doomed all mankind, and no one but the man, our God, Lord and Saviour Yeshuah Mashiach could now play this part for us. Before his fall though Adam could very well have gone straight to God and said "Lord, my wife has eaten of the fruit... i KNOW your law says she must die. She is my gift to me from you though, and i love her... PLEASE... let her live and take my life as a ransom for hers and let me pay her price... Would God have accepted this? Adam was perfect, sinless, and qualified as her sacrifice, but alas he ate too and eliminated all mankind, neccessitating that God Himself would pay the price if we were to be saved at all.

We see though that God had grace on Adam in spite of Adam's failure. We see the sacrifice instituted and God made them clothing.

So Adam was under a law... and in failure of the law, he experienced the Grace of God by way of the sacrifice and more.


Cain and Abel - These brothers were under a law of sacrifice. Cain fell miserably, offering an evil sacrifice, but God did not strike Cain down... Instead, He had grace on Can and He asked Cain, "Why are you so down and angry Cain? If youll only do good in your sacrifice you will be accepted". So Cain was under law, and yet he received grace, with God even pleading with him to do right... He received further grace by being banished to Nod rather than being destroyed for the murder of his brother Abel.

Noah - Noah performed sacrifice under law. Yet we read the words "Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." So then added to the sacrifice, was a new law... "Thou shalt build an Arc", and through this arc, God's law brought about destruction on the wicked allowing more grace for all mankind through Noah's obedience.

Lot - We see that God in wrath destroyed the cities in the plains, and yet had grace on Lot, either for Lot's sake or Abraham's.


All through time we see man under law, and we see God's grace shed on man. The fact that Yeshuah even came to this world as our sacrifice of course, being His greatest demonstration of grace toward us.

Now we are in the age of grace as it is called. Many say we are no longer under the law. This i find to be in error. No the law cannot save us, but the law does direct us.

Though we are under grace, murderers, adulterers and such STILL shall not inheirit the kingdom if they remain unrepentant. "Thou shalt not kill" is STILL a good and valid law, as are all the laws of Moses. If we break the law we are still guilty whether we take the name of Yeshuah or not.

We are not saved by the law, but rather, all stand condemned when they break it. And it is GRACE that saves us from the law IF we repent and turn from our evil and conform to 'thou shalt not kill' and 'repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand'.

So we see indeed that we are now under a law of salvation. Just as there was once the law of "Thou shalt not eat of this tree, or thou shalt surely die", the law now stands "Repent and believe, and thou shalt surely live"

The law demonstrates what we do and dont do to our neighbor if we love them, and how we respond to God if we love HIM. Repentance in itself is a law which opens the door to receive this grace personally.

Law and grace are simply 2 sides to the same coin, and we cannot have one without the other and still have justice and goodness in God.

It isnt a matter of law OR grace...

...it is a matter of law AND grace, and from Adam to now they have both operated for our benefit.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The post following is significant too

http://www.christianforums.com/t7385872/#post52393635

I've heard it described like this: The law, or "rules" side of things, is like a level to a builder, or like a plum line: it shows the builder if the wall he is building is up to standard or if an adjustment is needed. Grace is the skill and tools it takes to get that adjustment made, the nail pullers, the hammers, and everything else needed to make the situation right. If you had grace without the law, you wouldn't know if anything was wrong at all--there would be no reference point, and all would be relative. However, if you have law without the grace, when something is found wrong, there is no means of solving it or making it right.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Amen. this is deep, what a great study this would be.

You got me thinking about even tho grace was brought in by His righteousness it also wasn't until His resurrection that the graves were opened. fwiw

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; John 11:25

 

[nephilimiyr]

I'm interested in both Biblical reasons and unsupported opinions.

The law He kept, man made tradition He didn't. Otherwise, we needed an unspotted clean human sacrifice to pay for our sins. If Jesus would've broken the law in any way He would not have been the sacrifice that was warranted for our salvation.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Why did Jesus keep the law?

Perhaps because He was born under law?

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

YLT) Gal 4:4
and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law,

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Yes, that's very true too. Jesus was a Jew who was born under the law, all Jews were at that time.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Because he was Jewish.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Why did Jesus keep the law?

Perhaps because He was born under law?
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Because he was Jewish.

Seems to be the general consenses here...............


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[JohnRabbit]

I'm interested in both Biblical reasons and unsupported opinions.

Jesus kept the law because He realized that the law expresses God's way in which we should walk.


Exodus 16:4(NKJV)
4Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not.

Deuteronomy 8:6(NKJV)
6“Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.


Psalms 78:10(NKJV)
10 They did not keep the covenant of God; They refused to walk in His law,



iow, the way man should walk that is pleasing to God.


Romans 8:4(NKJV)
4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (see also rom 7:6)


Colossians 1:10(NKJV)
10that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;

 

[from scratch]

Amen. this is deep, what a great study this would be.

Sure isn't getting much attention.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why did Jesus keep the law?

Originally Posted by brinny

Amen. this is deep, what a great study this would be.
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Sure isn't getting much attention.

Yeah, that it is rather disappointing, as it is a rather unique "Law" thread.

YLT Search Results for "Jesus" AND "law"
"Jesus" AND "law"
occurs in 9 verses in the YLT.

Last time used in Christian Bible:

Gal 2:16
having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ,
also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law,
wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'



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[JohnRabbit]

Yeah, that it is rather disappointing, as it is a rather unique "Law" thread.

i did my part!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Yeah, that it is rather disappointing, as it is a rather unique "Law" thread.
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i did my part!

And you did very well


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[JohnRabbit]

And you did very well


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tanx!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm interested in both Biblical reasons and unsupported opinions.

Because He is a Jew, and though reverse adopted into the line of Judah through Joseph, He is a full Jew, legal, with all the obligations the tribes made by Covenant at Mount Sinai for themselves and their descendants forever.

Also, it may interest you to know that Jesus is a Torah Jew, not a Pharisee.

It also may interest you to know that Gentiles are not now nor have they ever been under the Law of Moses, only under the "Noah" Law given by the ancestor of all the living tribes when he came off the Ark.

It may also interest you to know that adopted Gentiles into the Living Spirit have the Decalogue inscribed on their born again hearts of flesh.

So what about the Sabbath?
For a Gentile Believer, it is fulfilled by having come into the Peace of God's Rest, in Christ, by adoption into His One Living Spirit.

It may also interest you to know that under the Law, the priests worked and continue to work, on the Sabbath.

It may also interest you to know that born again in Christ Gentiles work in their Sabbath as priests of the Firstborn Son of God, of the heavenly priesthood, not the earthly, by laboring in the harvest of God to bring in lost souls into the kingdom of God.

 

[from scratch]

Because He is a Jew, and though reverse adopted into the line of Judah through Joseph, He is a full Jew, legal, with all the obligations the tribes made by Covenant at Mount Sinai for themselves and their descendants forever.

Also, it may interest you to know that Jesus is a Torah Jew, not a Pharisee.

It also may interest you to know that Gentiles are not now nor have they ever been under the Law of Moses, only under the "Noah" Law given by the ancestor of all the living tribes when he came off the Ark.

It may also interest you to know that adopted Gentiles into the Living Spirit have the Decalogue inscribed on their born again hearts of flesh.

So what about the Sabbath?
For a Gentile Believer, it is fulfilled by having come into the Peace of God's Rest, in Christ, by adoption into His One Living Spirit.

It may also interest you to know that under the Law, the priests worked and continue to work, on the Sabbath.

It may also interest you to know that born again in Christ Gentiles work in their Sabbath as priests of the Firstborn Son of God, of the heavenly priesthood, not the earthly, by laboring in the harvest of God to bring in lost souls into the kingdom of God.

You started off so well....then went to meddling.

 

[fhansen]

I'm interested in both Biblical reasons and unsupported opinions.

To show us it could be done-and how to do it. If it was wrong to keep the Law He never would've done so Himself.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You started off so well....then went to meddling.

Acts 15 settles the issue for us born again in Christ Gentiles: we are not to come under Moses, which is for the Jews, only, as God's Sign nation.

Right now, the signs are on Stop/Sabbath, while the harvest is gathered from the Gentiles.....but when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in -is gathered into the "Barn" from whence the Seed came [Haggai 2]- then the signs start again, while the nation of Israel is restored and prepared for Her Messiah's return to reign and rule.