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Yes, I understand the concept of free will. What I'm asking is why, exactly, free will is a 'good' thing.
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What Would Falsify the Flood? (2)
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Yes, I understand the concept of free will. What I'm asking is why, exactly, free will is a 'good' thing.
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Even more things that make no logical sense. You're really knocking them out of the ballpark, today....
I can think of no better example of a "puppet existence" than to have been created by an omnipotent, omniscient creator. Literally everything you do would be exactly as he created you to do it.
If nobody can live a perfect life, then we are not capable of refraining from sinning.
How is it possible for an eternal god to die a horrible death? He is eternal. Not dying is kind of the point.
What more do I want? I want things to make sense. Your version of God does not make sense.
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Atheos canadensis
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I agree. But so far your definition of torment seems to be a separation from God. You seem to be unwilling to clarify whether there is any actual physical torment such as physical confinement. So for the purpose of answering my question of why I as an atheist should fear your Hell it does not suffice to say you don't think anyone would choose to be there. So far I have no reason to fear it because you aren't willing to directly state whether there is physical torment or not. Why is this so hard?
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EternalDragon
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That's because you have the wrong ideas about my God. If we aren't capable of refraining from sinning then why isn't everyone killing each other?
Everyone has free will.
It is not possible for an eternal God to die. But if he became human like us then he could die. Which he did.
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EternalDragon
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It's not hard at all. Maybe you missed it. Post #147 pretty much sums it up.
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If the Flood hasn't occurred yet, and is still pending, we should see an ocean of water embedded in the earth.
You've heard of the "seven seas"?
This would be the eighth.
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And the Flood hasn't happened and is not pending, what should we expect to see?
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If the Flood hasn't occurred yet, and is not pending, we should see an ocean of water embedded in the earth.
You've heard of the "seven seas"?
This would be the eighth.
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Why are the conditions for an imminent flood identical for the conditions for no imminent one?
And why are you assuming an embedded ocean exists?
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... What?
Who said I assume an embedded ocean exists?
Well, you said it'd be there if there were a flood, and you said it'd be there if there wasn't -- you got a third option?
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So it is a place of physical torment:
This seems to be describing fiery torment, so why did you get so huffy when that was brought up, and why did you say this?
Are you having trouble remembering what Hell is supposed to be like?
If the latter quote is your real belief of Hell, I have nothing to fear. If the former quote is the true nature of Hell then it is disingenuous to claim that you're giving your children a balanced view of the issue and letting them choose freely when you are telling them that if they don't choose the same as you they are sent to a place to be tormented in flame for eternity.
So which is it? Is it being "tormented in this flame" or "not actual 'tormented'"?
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More importantly if it did happen how could you falsify it? More to the point, how could science falsify it? Falsification is only as good as man's ability to verify. In other words, pretending the little concept should fit God and His works of old, is just man's pride.
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Of course it's not there -- which makes your entire hypothetical useless.
of course, it could be that you're trying to be clever by implying that the lack of an underground ocean means there was a Flood -- but you'd never dream of failing that badly.
So, assuming you have a point, what is it?
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