Adolf Hitler - The World's Most Infamous Creationist

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Well good for you. But be careful, you do know what they eventually call an honest creationist, don't you? They eventually call them evolutionists.

I'm a theistic evolutionist. I thought you knew that.

[quote[I disagree a bit. This thread was probably started by someone who knew enough about Hitler and how he ran Germany and he (or she) got tired of the "Hitler was an evolutionist" nonsense and started this thread to counter it.

So they counter flawed reasoning by using the same flawed reasoning? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, why has this thread drifted to the discussion of homosexuality? I'm fairly certain that subject is forbidden here.
 
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So they counter flawed reasoning by using the same flawed reasoning? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, why has this thread drifted to the discussion of homosexuality? I'm fairly certain that subject is forbidden here.
Whenever Obama or the US comes up, it is hard to avoid.
 
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So they counter flawed reasoning by using the same flawed reasoning? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, why has this thread drifted to the discussion of homosexuality? I'm fairly certain that subject is forbidden here.

I have not discussed that topic, though I did notice dad slinging some statements about Obama that included that topic.
 
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Bailiwick smailiwick..the point was that if some basics were different in deep space, such as time itself, then maybe a plastic ruler constantly stuck end over end, may not be able to measure distances to far stars.

Even within the standard fishbowl silly models, you think space is expanding, so now, you would have to face that. If you finally got your little ruler foot by foot to a star say, (by man's reckoning) 1,000,000 ly away, by the time you got the next million ly years, space may have expanded (in man's models) many thousands of ly.

No. That doesn't apply in space and time that are different! So maybe it will not work. It will work on and near earth.

What....!!??

What does TIME have to do with trigonometric measurements taken NOW....!??? You've lost it mate.......

There again, leaving aside the differences in laws or space, TIME is still a part of the trig measurement! Earth time, to be exact! For example it might be several months for 2 separate measurements from earth

What absolute stinking, rotting, worm-ridden garbage...!! You are making stuff up on the run, because you simply don't have any answer, do you...??

The fact is that trig measurements taken NOW from earth and from the telescope can be taken CONCURRENTLY...! The angular differences between those 2 and the distant star, plus the known base distance out to the telescope, means that we can make an accurate measurement of distance to that star....

Time to stick a large fork in that argument of yours..............it's done...!!
 
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What....!!??

What does TIME have to do with trigonometric measurements taken NOW....!??? You've lost it mate.......
Is it news to you that time is involved in all such measurements??? I lost nothing.
The fact is that trig measurements taken NOW from earth and from the telescope can be taken CONCURRENTLY...! The angular differences between those 2 and the distant star, plus the known base distance out to the telescope, means that we can make an accurate measurement of distance to that star....

Time to stick a large fork in that argument of yours..............it's done...!!
Ha. Concurrent still involves time. Not like all telescopes are in one time and place. Would there happen to be any adjustment for time in there somewhere?

Even if you do prove there wasn't-- ( I ain't about to cede the point yet, so don't get your hopes up) we still have time on the other end! Get out that fork and eat some crow pal.
 
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Is it news to you that time is involved in all such measurements??? I lost nothing.
Ha. Concurrent still involves time. Not like all telescopes are in one time and place. Would there happen to be any adjustment for time in there somewhere?

Even if you do prove there wasn't-- ( I ain't about to cede the point yet, so don't get your hopes up) we still have time on the other end! Get out that fork and eat some crow pal.

Please explain the role of TIME in a trigonometric measurement....!!

You really have no idea do you...? You're just grasping at anything that even looks like a straw...!
 
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Please explain the role of TIME in a trigonometric measurement....!!

You really have no idea do you...? You're just grasping at anything that even looks like a straw...!
Is there any time involved from June to December? Yes. This is an example of how time is, as I said, a factor in the equation of parallax measurement.



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Is there any time involved from June to December? Yes. This is an example of how time is, as I said, a factor in the equation of parallax measurement.



Parallax%20schematic.png

Again, how does TIME play a part in a trigonometric measurement...? Show me where t is ever used as a variable when measuring distances using trigonometry...??

Oh, and you may not be aware, but there are trig measurements which can be made using a baseline between the earth and the Hubble telescope. These measurements can therefore be made concurrently, so that a time lag is not necessary.......not that time makes a difference anyway....!
 
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Again, how does TIME play a part in a trigonometric measurement...? Show me where t is ever used as a variable when measuring distances using trigonometry...??

In the picture we see a six month slice of time involved. How could time not be involved in six months?

Oh, and you may not be aware, but there are trig measurements which can be made using a baseline between the earth and the Hubble telescope. These measurements can therefore be made concurrently, so that a time lag is not necessary.......not that time makes a difference anyway....!

Is there no time between here and Hubble? Explain how a measurement would be made. You have one point on earth...one with Hubble...and..?
 
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In the picture we see a six month slice of time involved. How could time not be involved in six months?

Yes, in your example, there is a time difference between the two measurements........so what....!?? How does this make any difference whatsoever to the measurement of DISTANCE...??

Is there no time between here and Hubble? Explain how a measurement would be made. You have one point on earth...one with Hubble...and..?

...an angular measurement between earth and the distant star, an angular measurement between Hubble and the star, and a known baseline distance (between earth and Hubble). You then apply a trig equation called the Sine Rule (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC), to calculate the distance to the star. It's a method known by any average grade 10 student in this country.......
 
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Yes, in your example, there is a time difference between the two measurements........so what....!?? How does this make any difference whatsoever to the measurement of DISTANCE...??
Well well, now we get to it! The assumption is that time is the same far away, so when we involve time, say six long months near earth at 2 points, that means that earth time is PART of the equation.


So we have earth time in 2 points projected outward, with the only consideration being space, not time. Yet we do have lots of time involved..earth time. What if, for the sake of discussion, there were no time far away? That would mean that we ought to measure with no time on this end also to get true distance..no? The question becaomes...is there time and time as we know it here on and near earth far far away?? The answer of course is we do not know...therefore we do not know distances...therefore we do not know sizes and composition..etc. Like dominoes the steps in your cosmic logic fall.
...an angular measurement between earth and the distant star, an angular measurement between Hubble and the star, and a known baseline distance (between earth and Hubble).
But time exists between here and Hubble...so not only distance is involved, right?
You then apply a trig equation called the Sine Rule (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC), to calculate the distance to the star. It's a method known by any average grade 10 student in this country.......
That is not an issue here. If we want to try to apply the sine rule across the universe then we must consider what is involved between any 2 points! Time and space come into play.
 
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Well well, now we get to it! The assumption is that time is the same far away, so when we involve time, say six long months near earth at 2 points, that means that earth time is PART of the equation.


So we have earth time in 2 points projected outward, with the only consideration being space, not time. Yet we do have lots of time involved..earth time. What if, for the sake of discussion, there were no time far away? That would mean that we ought to measure with no time on this end also to get true distance..no? The question becaomes...is there time and time as we know it here on and near earth far far away?? The answer of course is we do not know...therefore we do not know distances...therefore we do not know sizes and composition..etc. Like dominoes the steps in your cosmic logic fall.
But time exists between here and Hubble...so not only distance is involved, right?

That is not an issue here. If we want to try to apply the sine rule across the universe then we must consider what is involved between any 2 points! Time and space come into play.

You poor ol' thing......the fairy tale is steadily unravelling isn't it...!?

Time plays no part in the measurement of distance..! Sydney and Perth are 4000 km apart. There is s 2 hr time difference between them, but they are still 4000 km apart..! If time somehow slowed down in Perth, guess what........they'd still be 4000 km apart....!!
 
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Wow. Just, wow.
:eek: ... Ya ... ain't that something?

God sending pestilence as a punishment for sin; wonder where I got that idea!? :eek:
You know I often disagree with you but I can usually at least respect your viewpoint, but that is a truly vile, hateful, and unChrist-like thing to say.
Is it now?
You are aware that AIDS is more prevalent among heterosexuals than homosexuals, right?
Where it came from is the key here, chief; not who's got it?

Here's a couple questions I'm sure you won't dare answer with your [fake] respect:

1. Did God send leprosy?
2. Does Leviticus 14 warn healthy people to stay away from houses infected with leprosy?
3. If God punished a group with leprosy, would innocent people get it?
In fact the most common method of contracting it is through uncleaned drug needles.
I ... don't ... care ... who ... has ... got ... it.

I ... don't ... care ... how ... it ... was ... spread.

I ... said ... Who ... sent ... it ... and ... why.
In fact lesbians have a lower rate of STDs than heterosexuals, so by your logic does that mean God blesses lesbians?
Are you okay?
Have you ever actually known anyone who has had HIV/AIDS?
You mean in real life?

Like Rock Hudson?

No.
Because it is not something to take lightly.
Really?

And here I thought God sent it so they could dance a jig at picnics. :doh:
 
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So dad, if the round of rabid gay-baiting is now over, perhaps you might address my question.....HOW does the variable of time impact upon the measurement of distance...?
If distance is the dividend, and time is the divisor, then speed is the quotient.

If the divisor doesn't change, but the quotient changes, then the dividend has to change as well.

Meaning if C was different at any time, so was the distance.
 
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If distance is the dividend, and time is the divisor, then speed is the quotient.

If the divisor doesn't change, but the quotient changes, then the dividend has to change as well.

Meaning if C was different at any time, so was the distance.

AV, you might be able to come up with an argument using non-euclidean geometry.
 
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