Adolf Hitler - The World's Most Infamous Creationist

[dad]

How is that copying? You don't even have a test for your claim.

God mentioned reproduction first, so when you also do, thousands of years later, that is borrowing.

Calling something "A positive claim" is not a compliment. A claim like "I can prove that Jesus never existed" is a positive claim. The truth of a positive claim must be defended by the person making that claim. If he doesn't defend that claim he is defeated.

Claiming a same state past is a positive claim.

Once again, you have never ever shown that God said anything.

Jesus disagrees. So do all people of God of all ages.

Why? I have evidence of a same state past.

So you say. Funny we see none.

You have no evidence of a different state past.

If you want to ignore God, fine. You must then back up your stuff another way.

That was a creationist. She even corrected you on that claim.

OK.

Nope, when you are dead, you are dead. No one has ever come back from the dead.

The calendar is set to the One who did actually. It is a matter of record and witnessed.


Hitler didn't. Lazarus did. The AntiChrist will try to appear as if he has. After all, copying is a motis operendi of the dark side.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God mentioned reproduction first, so when you also do, thousands of years later, that is borrowing.

No, he didn't. You are reading a book of myth.

Wrong try again.

Claiming a same state past is a positive claim.

Yes, and I can provide evidence for that. Your claim of an altered state past is a positive claim too. You have provided no evidence to support your claim

Without evidence you lose.

Jesus disagrees. So do all people of God of all ages.

No, he doesn't. You have no idea of what Jesus actually said. There are no eye-witness accounts of him in the Bible.

So you say. Funny we see none.

That is only your fault. You don't even know what qualifies as evidence. I have offered to help you on this problem several times over.

If you want to ignore God, fine. You must then back up your stuff another way.

Nobody is ignoring any gods. There is no evidence of god. You keep conflating your myth with "God". You have not given any evidence to support that claim.

Without evidence you lose.

The calendar is set to the One who did actually. It is a matter of record and witnessed.

You mean Janus?

Janus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hitler didn't. Lazarus did. The AntiChrist will try to appear as if he has. After all, copying is a motis operendi of the dark side.

No, that is a myth. I can site many other myths of people coming back from the dead. But at least Hitler did not come back from the dead, he was one of you guys. That is what this thread is all about.

Remember dad, without evidence you lose.

 

[Strathos]

No, of course not. You have not been following the conversation. Creationists very often make the mistake of assuming that Hitler was pro-evolution and try to tar the science with that claim. Now by their logic, since in reality Hitler was more of a Christian than anything else this would make a tie between Christianity and Nazism. Lucky for creationists I don't use creationist logic.

It is nice to see that using the fact that Hitler was a Christian against Christianity is bad logic.

Just like Stalin was an atheist. It doesn't matter.

If you try to argue that Stalin wasn't an atheist now, then you have officially missed the point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just like Stalin was an atheist. It doesn't matter.

If you try to argue that Stalin wasn't an atheist now, then you have officially missed the point.

I know, but it is so much fun to watch the creationists squirm when this argument is turned around.

Why didn't you say that it was wrong for creationists to claim that Hitler had anything to do with evolution when your sice thought that he was not a Christian?

I still see creationists try to connect Hitler and evolution today. Not here since that idea has at least temporarily been trashed. Are they wrong for doing that?

And you will not find me making that connection myself. I merely pointed out that Hitler was a creationist.

 

[Strathos]

I know, but it is so much fun to watch the creationists squirm when this argument is turned around.

Why didn't you say that it was wrong for creationists to claim that Hitler had anything to do with evolution when your sice thought that he was not a Christian?

It is, and I did.

I still see creationists try to connect Hitler and evolution today. Not here since that idea has at least temporarily been trashed. Are they wrong for doing that?

Yes.

And you will not find me making that connection myself. I merely pointed out that Hitler was a creationist.

Which is irrelevant. The fact that this thread exists in the first place is indicative of the fallacious reasoning being used.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is, and I did.

Well good for you. But be careful, you do know what they eventually call an honest creationist, don't you? They eventually call them evolutionists.

Yes.

Again good for you.

Which is irrelevant. The fact that this thread exists in the first place is indicative of the fallacious reasoning being used.

I disagree a bit. This thread was probably started by someone who knew enough about Hitler and how he ran Germany and he (or she) got tired of the "Hitler was an evolutionist" nonsense and started this thread to counter it.

 

[dad]

No, he didn't.

Ge 1:12 -And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.




It was good. The evo copycat stuff is cheap and bad.

Yes, and I can provide evidence for that.

So you say.

No, he doesn't. You have no idea of what Jesus actually said. There are no eye-witness accounts of him in the Bible.

1Jo 1:1 -That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

That is only your fault. You don't even know what qualifies as evidence. I have offered to help you on this problem several times over.

Tell us what you think qualifies.

You mean Janus?

No. Here is a hint, what happened about 2014 years ago?

No, that is a myth. I can site many other myths of people coming back from the dead.

Not one that happened. Not one with witnesses.

But at least Hitler did not come back from the dead, he was one of you guys. That is what this thread is all about.

He was occult. He was likely possessed. Creation believers are not.

"He presents a Social Darwinist vision, in which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long prominent in Germany."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

 

[ImperialJohn]

You are gravely mistaken.

Hitler was not a Christian or even a Catholic. He believed deeply in paganism and was heavily involved in the Occult. His cross was the crooked cross not the cross of Christ. Hitler was determined to go back into paganism to make Germany the world power.

Hitler had all the pictures of Christ removed from churches in Germany and his picture put there instead. He required kids to go to camps for indoctrination - like a summer camp but total indoctrination.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hitler stated that national socialism and religion cannot stand together and just before the end of the war had [/FONT]Dietrich Bonhoeffer executed.


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Anyone who claims to be Christian who goes around killing Muslims, Jews, Copts, Catholics and Protestants can hardly be called Christian. A Christian follows Christ, that's why they call them Christians. The principle that you follow should be the title that you hold. To be a Christian you must follow the Bible. And since the Bible does not promote the kind of violence that the Crusaders did, that the Nazis did, that Serbs did, we must conclude that they did not follow good Christian principles. For that, they are responsible for their action, and not Christianity.[/FONT]

 

[Black Akuma]

Hitler had all the pictures of Christ removed from churches in Germany and his picture put there instead.

I find that highly unlikely, even from a logistical standpoint. Source?

Hitler stated that national socialism and religion cannot stand together and just before the end of the war had Dietrich Bonhoeffer executed.

While true, Bonhoeffer wasn't killed for being a Christian, he was killed because of his connection with a plot to kill Hitler, not because of his religion. He was an outspoken critic of the Nazi regime, it's hardly surprising.

 

[dad]

He believed deeply in paganism [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]...[/FONT]

"Paganism, in the broadest sense includes all religions other than the true one revealed by God..."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Paganism


That almost sounds like US policy...


"Washington — The United States is a nation that respects all religious faiths, and it rejects efforts by anyone to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, President Obama said in the aftermath of an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya."
Obama: U.S. Respects All Religious Faiths, Beliefs | IIP Digital

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ge 1:12 -And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.




It was good. The evo copycat stuff is cheap and bad.

Good you agree with me. God had nothing to do with it. It was a fable from a book of myth. Except the theory of evolution did not copy anything. We can't expect you to get it all right the first time around.

So you say.

Yes, I can give you evidence. The problem is that you do not know what qualifies as evidence. I am still willing to help you with that problem.

Without evidence you lose.

1Jo 1:1 -That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

See, you agree with me. Flapping a book of myths at people only indicates that you know that you are wrong. Thank you dad for the admission of defeat.

Tell us what you think qualifies.

It is not what I think. And it is not quite as easy as that. You owe me a few apologies first if you want me to help you. I can tell that you are not being sincere. That is why I demand that you atone for your sins.

No. Here is a hint, what happened about 2014 years ago?

Actually I was right. Your myth has nothing to do with the calender. You messed up. But I will answer anyway, well, let's see. Ptolemy was born:



Ptolemy of Mauretania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not one that happened. Not one with witnesses.

Neither can you. None of the gospels were written by witnesses. Check your history.

He was occult. He was likely possessed. Creation believers are not.

Wrong, Hitler was a Christian and a creationist, just like you. That has been shown many times over. And possession is another myth. Seriously dad, what are you? Seventy years old or more? It is time to grow up.

"He presents a Social Darwinist vision, in which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long prominent in Germany."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hey, a very weak link.

Yet I can find quote after quote of Hitler claiming to be a Christian. He put any books on evolution on the burn ban. By the rules of this forum he was a Christian. So sad you are wrong again:

List of Hitler quotes — he was quite the vocal Catholic – Pharyngula

CA006.1: Hitler's views

 

[Black Akuma]

"Paganism, in the broadest sense includes all religions other than the true one revealed by God..."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Paganism


That almost sounds like US policy...

Only if you're a complete idiot.

 

[dad]

Only if you're a complete idiot.

Says you. However, the multicultural approach to religions does treat all equally. That is nothing more than an antichrist spirit.

 

[dad]

Yes, I can give you evidence.

Like anyone believes you any more.

It is not what I think. And it is not quite as easy as that. You owe me a few apologies first if you want me to help you. I can tell that you are not being sincere. That is why I demand that you atone for your sins.

This is not really a place to pulpit pound.

Neither can you. None of the gospels were written by witnesses.

Who wrote them, the ghost in your toaster?

Wrong, Hitler was a Christian and a creationist, just like you.

Great, maybe he wore shoes too?? Satan is a creationist. Whoopee do. Only fools are not.

And possession is another myth.

Prove it.

Yet I can find quote after quote of Hitler claiming to be a Christian.

I can find quote after quote of Obama claiming to be Christian...so??

He put any books on evolution on the burn ban.

You think anti creation books will exist in the forever rule of Christ? Bring the marshmallows....

By the rules of this forum he was a Christian.

So? By his actions, he was possessed and probably occult.

 

[Black Akuma]

Says you. However, the multicultural approach to religions does treat all equally. That is nothing more than an antichrist spirit.

Like I said.

Only if you're a complete idiot.

 

[dad]

Like I said.

Only if you're a complete idiot.

One would have to be a complete moron to deny it. So start talking details rather than clucking.

 

[Black Akuma]

One would have to be a complete moron to deny it. So start talking details rather than clucking.

The great thing about idiocy is that it stands on its own. I don't have to 'talk details'. You display it.

 

[dad]

The great thing about idiocy is that it stands on its own. I don't have to 'talk details'. You display it.

"Paganism, in the broadest sense includes all religions other than the true one revealed by God..."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Paganism

The US is opposed to Christ.


Example...


"1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

• June 2013 – The Obama Department of Justice defunds a Young Marines chapter in Louisiana because their oath mentioned God, and another youth program because it permits a voluntary student-led prayer. [1]
• February 2013 – The Obama Administration announces that the rights of religious conscience for individuals will not be protected under the Affordable Care Act. [2]
• January 2013 – Pastor Louie Giglio is pressured to remove himself from praying at the inauguration after it is discovered he once preached a sermon supporting the Biblical definition of marriage. [3]
• February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [4]
• January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [5]
• December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. [6]
• November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [7]
• November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [8]
• August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [9]
• April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [10]
• February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [11]
• January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. [12]
• November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. [13]
• October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. [14]
• May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. [15]
• April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. [16]
• April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. [17]
• February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. [18]
• April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.” [19]

2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

• December 2013 - A naval facility required that two nativity scenes -- scenes depicting the event that caused Christmas to be declared a national federal holiday -- be removed from the base dining hall and be confined to the base chapel, thus disallowing the open public acknowledgment of this national federal holiday. [20]
• December 2013 - An Air Force base that allowed various public displays ordered the removal of one simply because it contained religious content. [21]
• October 2013 – A counter-intelligence briefing at Fort Hood tells soldiers that evangelical Christians are a threat to Americans and that for a soldier to donate to such a group “was punishable under military regulations.” [22]
• October 2013 – Catholic priests hired to serve as military chaplains are prohibited from performing Mass services at base chapels during the government financial shutdown. When they offered to freely do Mass for soldiers, without regard to whether or not the chaplains were receiving pay, they are still denied permission to do so. [23]
• August 2013 - A Department of Defense military training manual teaches soldiers that people who talk about "individual liberties, states' rights, and how to make the world a better place" are "extremists." It also lists the Founding Fathers -- those "colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule" -- as examples of those involved in "extremist ideologies and movements." [24]
• August 2013 - A Senior Master Sergeant was removed from his position and reassigned because he told his openly lesbian squadron commander that she should not punish a staff sergeant who expressed his views in favor of traditional marriage. [25]
• August 2013 - The military does not provide heterosexual couples specific paid leave to travel to a state just for the purpose of being married, but it did extend these benefits to homosexual couples who want to marry, thus giving them preferential treatment not available to heterosexuals. [26]
• August 2013 - The Air Force, in the midst of having launched a series of attacks against those expressing traditional religious or moral views, invited a drag queen group to perform at a base. [27]
• July 2013 - When an Air Force sergeant with years of military service questioned a same-sex marriage ceremony performed at the Air Force Academy's chapel, he received a letter of reprimand telling him that if he disagreed, he needed to get out of the military. His current six-year reenlistment was then reduced to only one-year, with the notification that he "be prepared to retire at the end of this year." [28]"

 

[Black Akuma]

"Paganism, in the broadest sense includes all religions other than the true one revealed by God..."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Paganism

...and, in a narrower sense, all except Christianity, Judaism, and Mohammedanism.

 

[dad]

...and, in a narrower sense, all except Christianity, Judaism, and Mohammedanism.

The narrowing is clear.


Here is more..

• June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. [54]
• January 2010 – Because of "concerns" raised by the Department of Defense, tiny Bible verse references that had appeared for decades on scopes and gunsights were removed. [55]

3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:

• August 2013 - Non-profit charitable hospitals, especially faith-based ones, will face large fines or lose their tax-exempt status if they don't comply with new strangling paperwork requirements related to giving free treatment to poor clients who do not have Obamacare insurance coverage. [56] Ironically, the first hospital in America was founded as a charitable institution in 1751 by Benjamin Franklin, and its logo was the Good Samaritan, with Luke 10:35 inscribed below him: "Take care of him, and I will repay thee," being designed specifically to offer free medical care to the poor. [57] Benjamin Franklin's hospital would likely be fined unless he placed more resources and funds into paperwork rather than helping the poor under the new faith-hostile policy of the Obama administration.
• August 2013 - USAID, a federal government agency, shut down a conference in South Korea the night before it was scheduled to take place because some of the presentations were not pro-abortion but instead presented information on abortion complications, including the problems of "preterm births, mental health issues, and maternal mortality" among women giving birth who had previous abortions. [58]
• June 2013 – The Obama Administration finalizes requirements that under the Obamacare insurance program, employers must make available abortion-causing drugs, regardless of the religious conscience objections of many employers and even despite the directive of several federal courts to protect the religious conscience of employers. [59]
• April 2013 – The United States Agency for Internal Development (USAID), an official foreign policy agency of the U.S. government, begins a program to train homosexual activists in various countries around the world to overturn traditional marriage and anti-sodomy laws, targeting first those countries with strong Catholic influences, including Ecuador, Honduras, and Guatemala. [60]
• December 2012 – Despite having campaigned to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, President Obama once again suspends the provisions of the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 which requires the United States to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and to move the American Embassy there. [61]
• July 2012 - The Pentagon, for the first time, allows service members to wear their uniforms while marching in a parade - specifically, a gay pride parade in San Diego. [62]
• October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion. [63]
• September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [64]
• July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778. [65]
• March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls. [66]
• February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [67]
• September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. [68]
• August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs. [69]
• July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion. [70]
• September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.” [71]
• July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [72]
• May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. [73] He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets. [74]
• May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities. [75]
• March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. [76]
• March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. [77]
• March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations. [78]
• January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. [79]
• January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional. [80]