Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

[JohnRabbit]

Jesus said take no thought for your life, Paul says having food and clothing be content, the kingdom isnt about financial gain. If we work only to feed our families and others then this is doing good on the sabbath which is permitted by Christ. Only covetous men need a special day in which to stop being covetous and materialistic. Godly men do that every day reguardless of the day of week. Dont you see? If we follow Jesus and his apostles doctrine then we are automatically observing the sabbath as Jesus did, but we do it every day.

can you tell me any other day, besides the sabbath, that God puts His presence in?

 

[SilverBlade]

Do Christians follow Christ or Moses? Seems simple, as Christians have Christ in the title.

Did Christ ever say to follow the Sabbath directly? He said every other commandment directly, but not the Sabbath.

He even called out the Pharisees for putting so many burdens on people and teaching it as 'You only get to heaven if you follow these 9 billion rules, or we STONE you'.

Also, if the argument is to honor the Sabbath, then you also must follow the rest of the rules, such as stoning violators, and using animal sacrifices. Do you stone those who you know violate any of the rules? Do you set up alters and offer animal sacrifices? It's hard to argue one thing, while ignoring the rest.

 

[MJohn7]

can you tell me any other day, besides the sabbath, that God puts His presence in?

We see that Jesus did his fathers work everyday, even sabbath. The apostles teach us to do the fathers work everyday. Is it wrong to work on sabbath to feed your family? Is not a man worth more than a sheep? should we work any day for more than food and clothing? No, Paul says be content with those things alone.

 

[JohnRabbit]

We see that Jesus did his fathers work everyday, even sabbath. The apostles teach us to do the fathers work everyday. Is it wrong to work on sabvath to feed your family? Is not a man worth more than a sheep? hould we work anyday for more than food and clothing? No, Paul says be content with those things.

the question i posed to you is still on the table!

 

[SilverBlade]

gen 2:1-3?

i'm just saying!

Ok, were Adam and Eve instructed on the Sabbath? All it says in Genesis is that he Sanctified the 7th day. Did he forget to tell Adam and Eve? We don't see anything about any 'day of rest' in Genesis, no mention of any Sabbath, as that didn't come for thousands of years later with Moses.

 

[MJohn7]

the question i posed to you is still on the table!

If we obey the apostles doctrine we would be honoring all 7 days, including sabbath. Every day is sabbath at that point. If we followed the apostles doctrine wouldn't we automatically be observing the sabbath by doing good everyday, as Jesus did?

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Ok, were Adam and Eve instructed on the Sabbath? All it says in Genesis is that he Sanctified the 7th day. Did he forget to tell Adam and Eve? We don't see anything about any 'day of rest' in Genesis, no mention of any Sabbath, as that didn't come for thousands of years later with Moses.

do you not know that 2000 years is covered in the first 12 chapters of genesis?

so are we missing some details in those first 12 chapters?

also says that enoch walked with God gen 5:22, do you know how he walked with God?

Exodus 16:4(NKJV)
4Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not.



(but there's no way we know how he walked with God! )

know about "here a little, there a little"?


how did joseph know that it was sin to commit adultery (gen 39:9)?

hint:

Romans 7:7(NKJV)
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

but of course, we can't put two and two together!

 

[JohnRabbit]

If we obey the apostles doctrine we would be honoring all 7 days, including sabbath. Every day is sabbath at that point. If we followed the apostles doctrine wouldn't we automatically be observing the sabbath by doing good everyday, as Jesus did?

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

the question is still on the table unanswered by you!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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(but there's no way we know how he walked with God! )

know about "here a little, there a little"?

One of my favorite web sites

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Whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts?
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(Isaiah 28:9-10).

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[JohnRabbit]

One of my favorite web sites

Here A Little, There A Little - Here a little, there a little - Index
Here A Little, There A Little




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thanks for the info, LLOJ!

 

[MJohn7]

the question is still on the table unanswered by you!

I answered it, but i guess you want me to answer the OP thread title question. Its hard to answer, if you answer my question i can more easily answer yours. If we observe the Lord and apostles doctrine of "godliness with contentment" will we be fulfilling the sabbath requirement as Jesus taught us? (He did good works on Sabbath) If we are content with food and clothing and work (even on Sabbath) only to feed our family and church and not to feed our lust, does this fulfill the Sabbath requirement and the apostles doctrine at the same time?

 

[JohnRabbit]

I answered it, but i guess you want me to answer the OP thread title question. Its hard to answer, if you answer my question i can more easily answer yours. If we observe the Lord and apostles doctrine of "godliness with contentment" will we be fulfilling the sabbath requirement as Jesus taught us? (He did good works on Sabbath) If we are content with food and clothing and work (even on Sabbath) only to feed our family and church and not to feed our lust, does this fulfill the Sabbath requirement and the apostles doctrine at the same time?

i asked you a question and you did not answer!

the question was do you know of any other day, other than the sabbath, that the Lord puts His presence in?

go back and look at our back and forth and you will see that you have not answered!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MJohn7

If we obey the apostles doctrine we would be honoring all 7 days, including sabbath. Every day is sabbath at that point. If we followed the apostles doctrine wouldn't we automatically be observing the sabbath by doing good everyday, as Jesus did?

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Originally Posted by JohnRabbit

the question is still on the table unanswered by you!
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I answered it, but i guess you want me to answer the OP thread title question. Its hard to answer,..............

Sometime the best answer can be "I don't know"...

Mat 21:
24 But Jesus answered and said to them, “I also will ask you one thing, which if you tell Me, I likewise will tell you by what authority I do these things:
25 “The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?”
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’
26 “But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the multitude, for all count John as a prophet.”
27 So they answered Jesus and said, “We do not know.”
And He said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things".

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[MJohn7]

i asked you a question and you did not answer!

the question was do you know of any other day, other than the sabbath, that the Lord puts His presence in?

go back and look at our back and forth and you will see that you have not answered!

Ok, my answer is that everyday is about God and perhaps Gods plan is to honor everyday as holy. Maybe like the blood of bulls that needed observed multiple times, sabath too is just a shadow of what Christ was bringing which is blood atonement once for all time, and Sabbath too is now observed once for all time meaning it doesnt end, its perpetual and started with Christ but doesn't end on sunday, it goes on every day perpetually. This is just me pondering it, im not teaching anything.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok, my answer is that everyday is about God and perhaps Gods plan is to honor everyday as holy.
Maybe like the blood of bulls that needed observed multiple times, sabath too is just a shadow of what Christ was bringing which is blood atonement once for all time, and Sabbath too is now observed once for all time meaning it doesnt end, its perpetual and started with Christ but doesn't end on sunday, it goes on every day perpetually.
This is just me pondering it, im not teaching anything.

Good post........

Kindgdom Bible Studies Ashes of a Red Heifer Part 1

"For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ASHES OF AN HEIFER sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh: how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God" (Heb. 9:13-14).

In the worship of the Old Testament great principles of truth and eternal spiritual realities were conveyed through outward signs and symbols. The eye is quicker than the ear. And there is therefore no language so expressive as the language of symbols. The multitude will better catch your meaning by one apt symbol than by a thousand words. The mind shrinks from the intellectual effort of grappling with the subtle essences of things, and loves to have truth wrapped up in a form which can easily be taken in by the eye, the ear, the sense of touch. This explains why there is such a tendency towards ritualism in the apostate Churches.
Where man's spiritual life is strong, it is independent of the outward form; but when it is weak it leans feebly on external aids. And it was because the children of Israel were in so childish a condition that God enshrined His deep and holy thoughts in outward forms and material patterns.
The untutored and unspiritual people must have spiritual truth expressed in symbols, which appealed to the most obtuse. For fifteen hundred years, therefore, the Israelitish worship gathered round the most splendid ceremonial that the world has ever seen.

Numbers 19 is a most unusual chapter in the Old Testament.
All the offerings in the Bible are bullocks and rams, but here there is an exception - a heifer, a female cow who has never given birth. All the offerings in the Old Testament are slaughtered and offered to God, but this offering of the red heifer, though killed and burned, is very different from the rest. While all others are offered to God to meet current claims - that is, the sin-offering, the burnt offering, or the peace offering according to the need of the day - the red heifer alone was not for the present need. It was offered to meet future needs.

The ordinance of the red heifer stands alone. While other sacrifices are often brought before us, this one is recorded in no other part of Israel's history.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Ok, my answer is that everyday is about God and perhaps Gods plan is to honor everyday as holy. Maybe like the blood of bulls that needed observed multiple times, sabath too is just a shadow of what Christ was bringing which is blood atonement once for all time, and Sabbath too is now observed once for all time meaning it doesnt end, its perpetual and started with Christ but doesn't end on sunday, it goes on every day perpetually. This is just me pondering it, im not teaching anything.

ok, i see you're still waffling in your own rhetoric.

maybe this will help.

Isaiah 58:13(NKJV)
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

now, do you know of any other day that has the distinction mentioned in isaiah 58:13?

 

[MJohn7]

ok, i see you're still waffling in your own rhetoric.

maybe this will help.

Isaiah 58:13(NKJV)
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

now, do you know of any other day that has the distinction mentioned in is 58:13?

Compare Isaiah with James. James is not preaching sabbath but his words can fulfill Isaiah on Sabbath and other days

Isaiah
From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,


James
Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses!




Godliness with contentment is great gain, having food and clothing let us be content. (Perpetual sabbath keeping.)

 

[JohnRabbit]

Compare Isaiah with James. James is not preaching sabbath but his words can fulfill Isaiah on Sabbath and other days

Isaiah
From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,


James
Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses!




Godliness with contentment is great gain, having food and clothing let us be content. (Perpetual sabbath keeping.)

for the last time, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER DAY, OTHER THAN THE SABBATH, THAT GOD PUTS HIS PRESENCE IN?

 

[MJohn7]

for the last time, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER DAY, OTHER THAN THE SABBATH, THAT GOD PUTS HIS PRESENCE IN?

Ill answer with a question. Do you know of any other sacrifice besides the blood of bulls? That's the answer.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Ill answer with a question. Do you know of any other sacrifice besides the blood of bulls? That's the answer.

ok, cool, you refuse to answer!

have a happy new year!