Jesus is Michael the Archangel?

[reddogs]

I really enjoyed reading this, so if she has more, YES, by all means, PLEASE post it for us.

Statrei? THWACK. lol

Was a informative post..

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

How is this arrived at?

You may see the full study Here : MICHAEL ARCHANGEL IS JESUS

 

[maco]

Jesus, the Son of God and Michael, the Archangel being one in the same is based on inference and not one solid statement in the Bible that says, Jesus is Michael.

in·fer·ence; noun
1. a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.

Many wrong conclusions can come through inference because the evidence may only be giving the appearance of something. For example, Jesus' crucifixion on Friday and His death Friday at dusk is a wrong conclusion based on inference.

The bridge that leads to Jesus being Michael is weak and unstable because of Hebrews 1:5 and Hebrews 1:13.

Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels has He ever said: “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

Because of these two verses many people are not willing to cross that bridge.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Hebrews 1:5-6, speaks of the created 'angels', as worshipping Jesus, who is God.

Hebrews 1:5-6 does not say that Jesus is not also an 'angel' or 'arch angel', neither does the word 'angel' ever automatically carry an inherent definition of created. It simply means messenger, Uncreated [God] or created [creature]. In identifying whom the 'angels' are that Hebrews 1:5-6 are speaking of, is already defined by the remainder of the text, since Jesus is proven to be Jehovah God {the Son} in Hebrews 1, and sent of the Father.

Jesus is the Highest Messenger of the Father, and Lord over all others.

Go with me to Malachi 3:1:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:1

[Hebrew Tr.] 3:1 hin'niy sholëªch mal'äkhiy ûfiNäh-derekh' l'fänäy ûfit'om yävô el-hëykhälô häädôn ásher-aTem m'vaq'shiym ûmal'akh' haB'riyt ásher-aTem cháfëtziym hiNëh-vä ämar y'hwäh tz'väôt

[Greek LXX] Mal 3:1 ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου, καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου, καὶ ἐξαίφνης ἥξει εἰς τὸν ναὸν ἑαυτοῦ κύριος, ὃν ὑμεῖς ζητεῖτε, καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης, ὃν ὑμεῖς θέλετε· ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται, λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ.
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Mal'ak; Aggelos - Both words just identified Jesus, who is the 'messenger {angel} of the Covenant' and Hebrews 3:1 calls Jesus the "Apostle" {one who is sent forth}.

 

[maco]

Hebrews 1:5-6, speaks of the created 'angels', as worshipping Jesus, who is God.

Hebrews 1:5-6 does not say that Jesus is not also an 'angel' or 'arch angel', neither does the word 'angel' ever automatically carry an inherent definition of created. It simply means messenger, Uncreated [God] or created [creature]. In identifying whom the 'angels' are that Hebrews 1:5-6 are speaking of, is already defined by the remainder of the text, since Jesus is proven to be Jehovah God {the Son} in Hebrews 1, and sent of the Father.

Jesus is the Highest Messenger of the Father, and Lord over all others.

Go with me to Malachi 3:1:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:1

[Hebrew Tr.] 3:1 hin'niy sholëªch mal'äkhiy ûfiNäh-derekh' l'fänäy ûfit'om yävô el-hëykhälô häädôn ásher-aTem m'vaq'shiym ûmal'akh' haB'riyt ásher-aTem cháfëtziym hiNëh-vä ämar y'hwäh tz'väôt

[Greek LXX] Mal 3:1 ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου, καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου, καὶ ἐξαίφνης ἥξει εἰς τὸν ναὸν ἑαυτοῦ κύριος, ὃν ὑμεῖς ζητεῖτε, καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης, ὃν ὑμεῖς θέλετε· ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται, λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ.
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Mal'ak; Aggelos - Both words just identified Jesus, who is the 'messenger {angel} of the Covenant' and Hebrews 3:1 calls Jesus the "Apostle" {one who is sent forth}.

Jesus, prior to His birth, was in seed form. How can Jesus be both in seed form and an angle?

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Jesus, prior to His birth, was in seed form. How can Jesus be ... an angel?

Jesus existing before Abraham, is even the YHVH God {I AM} of Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob &c and the book of Hebrews very clearly demonstrates this in Chapters 1 and 13. Have you considered this, that Jesus has borne the message of the Father to this world since the beginning?

 

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Has anyone here seen or met Michael ? I'm curious to hear accounts if anyone has ...

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Has anyone here seen or met Michael ? I'm curious to hear accounts if anyone has ...

I know sister White has.

 

[TillICollapse]

I know sister White has.

To save me from Googling (which sounds lazy lol) ... do you recall how she described him physically ? Features, height, skin color even, anything at all ? Thanks ...

 

[maco]

Jesus existing before Abraham, is even the YHVH God {I AM} of Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob &c and the book of Hebrews very clearly demonstrates this in Chapters 1 and 13. Have you considered this, that Jesus has borne the message of the Father to this world since the beginning?

Again, the conclusion that Jesus is YAHWEH is based on inference.

in·fer·ence; noun
1. a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.

Many wrong conclusions can come through inference because the evidence may only be giving the appearance of something. For example, Jesus' crucifixion on Friday and His death Friday at dusk is a wrong conclusion based on inference.

Would you say that YAHWEH was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself or that Jesus was YAHWEH reconciling the world to himself? There is a big difference.

2 Corinthians 5:9 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Would you say that Jesus was YAHWEH doing all the miracles or would you say that YAHWEH was doing all the miracles through the man Jesus?

Acts 2:22 “Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man approved of God among you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did through Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.

Also, Abraham saw Jesus' day by faith and believed God. He didn't literally see Jesus. Jesus was only in seed form when Abraham saw Jesus by faith.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Everything in the OT, that refers to Jesus, is always in prophetic language. In other words, something that was to take place in the future.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Again, the conclusion that Jesus is [YHVH] is based on inference. ...

Actually no it is not, it is based upon a plain thus saith the Lord:

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
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Consider carefully...

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3
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No man can say that CHRIST JESUS is LORD... but by the HOLY SPIRIT... not only is CHRIST JESUS, master and teacher, but LORD and GOD, the very Shepherd of the Sheep.

The greek word used in 1 Corinthians 12:3, is the very same word that the LXX uses, "kurios" [LORD]. Even as Isaiah 40:3 ["The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."] seen being quoted in the four Gospels. 'YHVH' is translated there by the Gospel writers, under direction of the HOLY SPIRIT, "kurios".

The Prophet Isaiah knew who was to come:

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3

Isaiah 40:3 קול קורא במדבר פנו דרך יהוה ישׁרו בערבה מסלה לאלהינו׃
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The word for "LORD" in Isaiah 40:3 is the Hebrew Tetragrammaton "יְהֹוָה", "YHWH/YHVH" or Jehovah...and directly quoted 4 times in the NT:

For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Matthew 3:3

ουτος γαρ εστιν ο ρηθεις υπο ησαιου του προφητου λεγοντος φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ετοιμασατε την οδον κυριου ευθειας ποιειτε τας τριβους αυτου Matthew 3:3 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

outoV gar estin o rhqeiV upo hsaiou tou profhtou legontoV fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Matthew 3:3 Greek

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Mark 1:3

φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ετοιμασατε την οδον κυριου ευθειας ποιειτε τας τριβους αυτου Mark 1:3 Greek

fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Mark 1:3 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4

ως γεγραπται εν βιβλω λογων ησαιου του προφητου λεγοντος φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ετοιμασατε την οδον κυριου ευθειας ποιειτε τας τριβους αυτου Luke 3:4 Greek

wV gegraptai en biblw logwn hsaiou tou profhtou legontos fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Luke 3:4Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:23

εφη εγω φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ευθυνατε την οδον κυριου καθως ειπεν ησαιας ο προφητης John 1:23 Greek

efh egw fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw euqunate thn odon kuriou kaqwV eipen hsaiaV o profhthV John 1:23Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
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Go now with me to the Book of Hebrews if you will please…

Hebrews, like the Gospel of John, really demonstrates that Jesus Christ is God, the Son, showing His supremacy over all, over Moses, over Angels, over types and shadows, etc.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. [Hebrews 1:6]

But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. [Hebrews 1:8]

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [Hebrews 1:9]
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In that verse [vs 9] we see the FATHER [thy God], the SON [therefore God] and even the HOLY SPIRIT [oil of gladness, symbolized]… look closely…

Every Apostle and Disciple, and yea the whole Bible completely Agree on who Jesus is, that He is God. John says so, Paul says so, Thomas says so [John 20:28, compare to Psalms 35:23 in the Greek], Stephen says so, the Psalms say so, the Prophets say so, and Jesus says so, the Holy Spirit says so, and the Father says so:

The author of Hebrews in Hebrews 1:8-9 is citing the OT from Psalms 45:6, so that we may know.

Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre. - Psalms 45:6

But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. - Hebrews 1:8
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God the Father, is addressing God the Son, signified in writing through David and Paul by God the Holy Spirit (the Author of Scripture), anointing Him with the Holy Spirit [symbolized by the “oil”].

Here is the TR. Greek:

o qronos sou o qeos eis ton aiwna tou aiwnos rabdos euquthtos h rabdos ths basileias sou - Psalms 44:7 LXX (same as Psalms 45:6 KJV)

proV de ton uion o qronoV sou o qeoV eiV ton aiwna tou aiwnoV rabdos euquthtos h rabdoV thV basileiaV sou - Hebrews 1:8
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Hebrews 1:8 is directly quoting the Psalms. "sou o theos" is "O God", and this said, "unto the Son" by the Father, signified in scripture by God the Holy Spirit.

Consider also the context in Psalms 45. Now we continue further in Hebrews Chapter 1, which the whole Chapter 1 identifies Jesus’ Deity, and Chapter 2 deals with His humanity, the 2 natures.

And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: [Hebrews 1:10]

They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; [Hebrews 1:11]

And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. [Hebrews 1:12]
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Thou LORD, JESUS CHRIST, the same yesterday, today and forever… notice which passages that Paul is also drawing from the in the OT! What is being cited here? It is Psalms 102:24-28!

I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years [are] throughout all generations. [Psalms 102:24]

Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands. [Psalms 102:25]

They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: [Psalms 102:26]

But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end. [Psalms 102:27]

The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee. [Psalms 102:28]
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Who is being spoken of in Psalms 102? It is LORD, YHVH, see Psalms 102:1,12,15,16,19,21,22. With whom does the author of Hebrews directly say that those texts apply to? Jesus Christ. He truly is LORD and GOD, the Son.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. [Hebrews 13:8]
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JESUS divinity [being God] is compared to Melchizedek, who was,

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." [Hebrews 7:3]

For every house is builded by some [man]; but he that built all things [is] God. Hebrews 3:4
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Further still in the Book of Hebrews:

"[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5
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Go through out all of the OT, and even the NT, who is it that stated that He would never leave nor forsake them?

See also Matthew 28:20: “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.”

So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. Hebrews 13:6

See “Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper.” [Psalms 30:10] and “Behold, God [is] mine helper: the Lord [is] with them that uphold my soul.” [Psalms 54:4]
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...but notice the context of Hebrews 13:5,6,7… vs 8 with whom does the author of Hebrews equate as the LORD and God and Helper? Jesus Christ…

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
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...compare to:

Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. Matthew 15:25
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This is a very serious matter:

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins. - John 8:24
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…notice that the English words [he] are added… and not present in the greek text… Jesus stated, “…ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM…”

Consider carefully...

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3
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Take note of what that is actually saying… not merely speaking about a kingship, but Deity… that no man can say that Jesus Christ is the LORD, except by the Holy Spirit…

 

[maco]

Shiny Gospel Shoes

Jesus always spoke of Himself according to the plan of His God and Father YAHWEH. Jesus was before Abraham in seed form. He was the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head, He was the seed of Abraham and the seed of David. Jesus was the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world according to YAHWEH's plan but Jesus Himself was slain 2000 years ago. Every time the Bible speaks of Jesus in the OT it's in prophetic language, in other words, something that was to happen in the future.

Jesus is Lord and God but that does not mean He's YAHWEH. The word, god, is not a personal name for anyone particular being, Satan is the god of this world. The word, god, is a title given to someone who has authority. The Bible says there are many gods and many lords. Jesus is Lord and Christ because His God and Father made Him Lord and Christ and we are to honor that and worship Him.

 

[maco]

Whether we believe Jesus was Michael prior to His birth or whether He preexisted at all prior to His birth has no bearing on whether we are a true follower of Christ. God's people have made it an issue, which has led to many negative consequences. We are considered Christians because we believe and follow the teaching of Jesus and we follow the teachings of Jesus because we believe He is the Son of the living God, the promised Messiah. Anything after that becomes personal beliefs and should have no bearing on how we judge others. There are those who believe Jesus to be Michael who live Christ like lives and there are those who don't. This goes for all whether they're Trinitarian, Binitarian or Unitarian.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

...Jesus is Lord and God but that does not mean He's YAHWEH. The word, god, is not a personal name for anyone particular being ...

You are in danger brother, for listen:

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
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Jesus, just declared Himself the I AM that spoke with Moses, and that if that was not believed, what would happen? Please take some time with that brother...

How many LORD [YHVH] are there in these verses?

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Genesis 19:24 [Jesus is standing upon the earth {Gen. 18-19, especially 18:25 "Judge of all the Earth"} and calling down fire from His Father above]

The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well. 2 Timothy 1:18

[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1 [Jesus speaking not only to David, but God the Father, speaking to the Son also, as seen in the NT]

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? Matthew 22:44

And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Luke 20:42

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

[[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Psalms 22:1

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 27:46

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Mark 15:34

And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Zechariah 3:2 [Here we have all Three Persons]
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What do you see brother? and consider the Hebrew itself, which declares YHVH in each instance in differing locations? Consider again:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19

That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; Colossians 2:2

In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Colossians 2:3
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"The name" is singular. YHVH, is the name/character they share, being one in purpose and mind, and all have, but there are three persons, all of whom are God.

Jesus is YHVH, the Son, and Michael Archangel, and having many other names and titles, even a name which is known only to himself. Hebrews [written by Paul] is clear, as is the Gospel of John and the whole of Scripture, beginning from Genesis 1:1, look at the Hebrew there, it is in the True Plural [not dual plural]. God, the Son, always existed.

 

[maco]

You are in danger brother, for listen:

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
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Jesus, just declared Himself the I AM that spoke with Moses, and that if that was not believed, what would happen? Please take some time with that brother...

How many LORD [YHVH] are there in these verses?

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Genesis 19:24 [Jesus is standing upon the earth {Gen. 18-19, especially 18:25 "Judge of all the Earth"} and calling down fire from His Father above]

The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well. 2 Timothy 1:18

[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1 [Jesus speaking not only to David, but God the Father, speaking to the Son also, as seen in the NT]

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? Matthew 22:44

And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Luke 20:42

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

[[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Psalms 22:1

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 27:46

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Mark 15:34

And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Zechariah 3:2 [Here we have all Three Persons]
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What do you see brother? and consider the Hebrew itself, which declares YHVH in each instance in differing locations? Consider again:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19

That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; Colossians 2:2

In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Colossians 2:3
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"The name" is singular. YHVH, is the name/character they share, being one in purpose and mind, and all have, but there are three persons, all of whom are God.

Jesus is YHVH, the Son, and Michael Archangel, and having many other names and titles, even a name which is known only to himself. Hebrews [written by Paul] is clear, as is the Gospel of John and the whole of Scripture, beginning from Genesis 1:1, look at the Hebrew there, it is in the True Plural [not dual plural]. God, the Son, always existed.

I am in danger of nothing.

John 8:16-18 And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

There are two beings in the Godhead and one Spirit. YAHWAH was alone in the Godhead prior to the birth of Jesus.

Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me,

Isaiah 45:21 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me.

Even when YAHWAH made a promise to Abraham He had to swear by himself because there was no other.

For every verse you have to prove your point I too have a verse to prove my point. Do you see why doctrines pertaining to the complex nature of God should not be the test all for who is a Christian and who is not a Christian. A Christian is a follower of Christ. It's that simple.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I am in danger of nothing. ...

No, you are, very seriously. Please, look again, and search the Scriptures:

Who was always with the Father from Eternity?

How many Witnesses does the Bible say are needed to Testify?

Who made all things, including Adam in the Beginning?

Who is the True Light?

Who came unto His own?

Who is the Truth?

Who is the Rock?

Who is the Separator of the Sheep and the Goats?

Who is The Good Shepherd?

Who is the God with us?

Who is He that walks among us?

Who is it that gives us Rest?

Who is the Husband?

Who is the Covenant Maker?

Who is it that Descended to Ascend far above all?

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Who is it that Comforts us?

Who is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the Ending, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the Author and Finisher?

Who came down to this earth on several occasions that the various Patriarchs {like Abraham, Moses, &c} saw with their own eyes?

Who was in the Pillar of Cloud and of Fire in the Wilderness?

Who was walking in the Garden in the Beginning?

...please search diligently brother for the answers to these things, for as of this moment, I tell you the truth, you are in great and eternal peril.

 

[maco]

Shiny Gospel Shoes

Who was always with the Father from Eternity?

The Spirit of God.

How many Witnesses does the Bible say are needed to Testify?

The testimony of God is true.

Who made all things, including Adam in the Beginning?

God did through His Spirit.[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]

(Psalm 104:30) - [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]You send forth Your Spirit, they are created[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]; and You renew the face of the earth.[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]

(Job 26:13) - [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]By His Spirit He adorned the heavens[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent.[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]

(Job 33:4) - [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Spirit of God has made me[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.[/FONT]
Even Jesus testifies that it was His Father who created Adam and Eve.[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]

(Matthew 19:4) - And Jesus answered and said to them, “Have you not read that [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif].”[/FONT]

Who is the True Light?

YAHWEH is light and Jesus is the perfect reflection of that light. Jesus Himself say this as well.

1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Who came unto His own?

No one came on his own. Jesus was obedient to the will of God after His birth.

Who is the Truth?

God is truth and Jesus is the image of God.

Who is the Rock?

Jesus is our Rock because He was obedient even unto death.

Who is the Separator of the Sheep and the Goats?

Jesus

Who is The Good Shepherd?

Jesus

Who is the God with us?

God is with us because He was dwelling in Jesus.

2 Corinthinas 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Who is He that walks among us?

The glorified Jesus through the Spirit.

Who is it that gives us Rest?

The Father through the finished work of Jesus.

Who is the Husband?

We are the bride of Christ.

Who is the Covenant Maker?

Jesus established the new covenant with His blood.

Who is it that Descended to Ascend far above all?

Jesus into the grave and ascended into the heavens.

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

The Father did through His Spirit.

Who is it that Comforts us?

The Spirit of Christ working the the Spirit of God.

Who is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the Ending, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the Author and Finisher?

Jesus was given a name above all names as a result of His resurrection so yes, He carries many of the same titles as His Father but He is never called the Most High or the Ancient of Days.

Who came down to this earth on several occasions that the various Patriarchs {like Abraham, Moses, &c} saw with their own eyes?

YAHWEH did through His Spirit.[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]

(Psalm 139:7-8) - [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Where can I go from Your Spirit[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]? Or [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]where can I flee from Your presence[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.[/FONT]

Who was in the Pillar of Cloud and of Fire in the Wilderness?

The Spirit of God.

Who was walking in the Garden in the Beginning?

YAHWEH, through His Spirit.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Psalm 139:7-8) - [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Where can I go from Your Spirit[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]? Or [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]where can I flee from Your presence[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.[/FONT]

I am not in great eternal peril.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Who is the separator of the Sheep and the Goats?

Jesus.

Brother, consider more deeply what that answer means:

And [as for] you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. Ezekiel 34:17

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Matthew 25:31

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: Matthew 25:32

[literally, “the Shepherd”; Greek 1550 Textus Receptus: “...o poimhn ...”, “...οG3588 T-NSM ποιμηνG4166 N-NSM...”]

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Matthew 25:33
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What do we notice, as the answer to the question from Scripture alone?

The "flock" belongs to "The LORD God" and that it is “He” that "judge between the rams [a male sheep] and the he goats" in Ezekiel, and in Matthew 25, in fulfillment, we see that it is the "Son of Man" [Jesus] that is "the Shepherd" that "divideth [his] sheep from the goats".

Jesus is the LORD [YHVH] God, no mistake about it according to the Gospel of Matthew.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Who is the Husband?

We are the bride of Christ.

Look at your answer in the Light of Scripture:

For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5

For [as] a young man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee. Isaiah 62:5

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion. Jeremiah 3:14

Surely [as] a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 3:20

I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. Jeremiah 6:2

The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD. Hosea 1:2

Plead with your mother, plead: for she [is] not my wife, neither [am] I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts; Hosea 2:2

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. Matthew 9:15

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Matthew 25:1

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. Matthew 25:5

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Matthew 25:10

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. Mark 2:19

But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. Mark 2:20

And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? Luke 5:34

But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. Luke 5:35

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. John 3:29

But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Revelation 19:7

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. Revelation 21:3

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew theethe bride, the Lamb's wife. Revelation 21:9
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What do we notice? Jesus Christ is the Husband, the Bridegroom... YHVH God the Son, the scriptures cannot be broken...

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Who is the Good Shepherd?

Jesus.

Again, notice what you are saying by the admission:

For he [is] our God; and we [are] the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Psalms 95:7

And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace. 1 Kings 22:17

And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace. 2 Chronicles 18:16

[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalms 23:1
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Shall we not notice that? We are "the people of His pasture...the sheep of His hand..."

[[To the chief Musician upon Shoshannimeduth, A Psalm of Asaph.]] Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest [between] the cherubims, shine forth. Psalms 80:1

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry [them] in his bosom, [and] shall gently lead those that are with young. Isaiah 40:11

That saith of Cyrus, [He is] my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid. Isaiah 44:28 [Cyrus, meaning “the glory of a blazing furnace”, is the type pointing to Christ Jesus, who is the one which will dry up the river 'Euphrates', come from the 'east' with His armies, and free the captives of 'Babylon' that they may go home– see Revelation.]

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, [even] I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. Ezekiel 34:11

As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Ezekiel 34:12

And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things. Mark 6:34
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Those heard the voice of the Good Shepherd...

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. John 10:2

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherdgiveth his life for the sheep. John 10:11

I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine. John 10:14
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The great I AM, the YHVH God the Son, JESUS, is the Good Shepherd, who knows His, and are known of His.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd. John 10:16
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Which "good shepherd" gave "His life for the sheep"?

To whom does the "little flock" belong then, and whose “voice” “shall” “they” “hear”?

It is the very voice of Jesus, calling them... “...follow me.”

[please continue reading the whole context of Psalms 95... “...the LORD our maker...” is this Good Shepherd.]

Who saw us like "sheep without a shepherd" [1 Kings 22:17; 2 Chronicles 18:16; Mark 6:34] and came to "to seek and to save that which was lost" [Luke 19:10]?

Scripture hath said,

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, [saying], Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. Jeremiah 31:3
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Who is it that even had "appeared of old", and has loveth us "with an everlasting love"?

Who is it that with "lovingkindness" has "drawn thee"?

It is Jesus Christ...

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else. Isaiah 45:22

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. John 12:32
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