Jesus is Michael the Archangel?

[maria767]

How do I UNSUBSCIRBE TO THESE FORUMS, I AM SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS A CHRISTIAN FORUM OF MAINSTREAM DENOMINATIONAL TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANS, I DID NOT RELIZE IT WAS MORE OF A CULT BOARD WITH PEOPLE CALLING THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS AND CHANGING THE GOSPEL.

CALLING ST MICHAEL OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS NOT CHRISTIAN.

THANK YOU
MARIA

 

[2tim]

She's gone I guess...

 

[maria767]

Its a disgrace and total distortion of the Bible including the OT and NT . St Michael the Archangel calling him Jesus, what a sin that truly is you should be ashamed. I cannot go on reading some of this **** that is being professed as Christianity and the bible its bizzare, disturbing and distorts the word of God.

 

[maria767]

Its not just Catholics that find it disturbing most Protestants would call it a disgrace to the Bible and the word of God.

Traditional Protestants do Not profess such absurdities, its a distortion to the word of God and its a sin.

Its a Pagan belief, not a Christian belief.

 

[maria767]

PAGANS How dare you distort and crucify Christ all over again, No bible in the world claims such Lies and distortions. You should Pray for God to forgive you.

 

[scottSTANLEY]

If you do a word study into the word archangel, it breaks down into the two words “aryeh” and “ariel”. Aryeh means “the young Lion that was pierced” Ariel means “lion of God/ a hero”. Now if we put Michael ( which means He who is like God) in front of those , we have. “The young Godlike lion that was pierced”. Now add one more text and the idea becomes very clear. Re 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Thank you--Linda

Hi Linda,
How did you do a word study on archangel and come up with Hebrew meanings? I know ariel means lion of God but how do you equate that to angel?
scottSTANLEY

 

[Tumbleweed64]

Interesting stuff here...

 

[2tim]

This is one of my favorite topics, so at the risk of covering ground already trod, I wonder if I couldn't add my thoughts. If this sounds redundant I'm sorry about that. And if it says the same thing over again, I'm sorry about that too...

Michael the Archangel


Who was Michael?

Jude 1:9, “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”

Michael was the archangel.

What does the term “archangel” mean?


In Greek the word is archaggelos, “chief of the angels.”

What is an angel?

In Hebrew the word is mal’ak, “messenger, representative.” In Greek, it is aggelos, “a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, a messenger from God.”

Seraphim and Cherubim are the winged creatures, created by God, whom we think of when we say “angel.” Are all angels, all messengers, seraphim or cherubim?


Genesis 16:10, “And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.”


Genesis 22:11, 12, “And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.”


Exodus 3:2,4, “And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.”


Acts 7:30,35, “And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.”


Numbers 22:31, “Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.”


Judges 2:1, “And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Judges 6:11-13, “And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour. And Gideon said unto him, Oh my Lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites. And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?”

Judges 13:20-22, “For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground. But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.”


Daniel 3:25,28, “He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.”

An angel is a messenger. Not all messengers are Seraphim or Cherubim, and not all Seraphim and Cherubim are messengers.


Look at the “beasts” in Revelation Re 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him…

Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings…

But in Revelation 5:11, look at what we see: “And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders…” Two groups.

What is “the host” of which the LORD is LORD?

Genesis 2:1, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.”

The Hebrew word here is tsaba’, “that which goes forth, army, war, warfare, host.”

Psalms 33:6, “By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host (tsaba’) of them by the breath of his mouth.

Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.”

Revelation 12:7,8, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”

The warriors of heaven are ‘angels,’ seraphim and cherubim.

They are the LORD’S host.

Michael is their Chief, their Captain.

Joshua 5:13-15, “And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD’S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.”

Has anyone else in Scripture made such a command?

Exodus 3:5, “And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

“He” who?

Look again at Exodus 3:2,4, “And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.”

And Acts 7:30,35, “And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.”

What do seraphs and cherubs do when men try to worship them?

Revelation 19:10, “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God…

Revelation 22:8,9, “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Did the Father ever call Jesus an angel?

Exodus 23:20-23, “Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. For mine Angel shall go before thee…”

So does that mean Jesus is a created being with wings like a seraph or a cherub?

No. It only means that He is a messenger for God the Father.

“O righteous Father,” Jesus prayed, “the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” John 11:25, 26

“Behold,” saith the LORD of hosts, “I will send my messenger [John the Baptist], and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant [Jesus Christ], whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 3:1

So, who is Michael?

Michael (Miyka’el), whose name means “who is like God” is the Archangel,

Captain of the host of the LORD,

The Angel of the LORD,

Jesus Christ

 

[PaleHorse]

Very nice and concise post, Tim! Thank you!

 

[Cliff2]

Very nice and concise post, Tim! Thank you!

Excellent work Tim and much appreciated.

 

[oldsage]

I haven't read all these post, due to the fact I would be here all day doing nothing but reading, but I thought I would post some text to show that those in the SDA are not alone in their belief about who Michael is:

Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through Him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear Him; He is the true Michael whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel of Jehovah’s presence, to Thee this family offers its morning vows. (Morning and Evening Daily Readings 556)

Michael will always fight; his holy soul is vexed with sin, and will not endure it. Jesus will always be the dragon’s foe, and that not in a quiet sense, but actively, vigorously, with full determination to exterminate evil. (Ibid. 673)

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Commenting on Jude 9 he wrote:

Yet Michael the archangel, &c.] By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Dan. 10:21, 12:1; Rev. 12:7. So Philo the Jew {o} calls the most ancient Word, firstborn of God, the archangel. . . .

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Commenting on Revelation 12:7, he wrote:

Michael and his angels fought against the dragon: by whom is meant not a created angel, with whom his name does not agree, it signifying "who is as God"; nor does it appear that there is anyone created angel that presides over the rest, and has them at his command. . . .

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Commenting on Daniel 12:1, he wrote:

And at that time shall Michael stand up, &c.] The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ; who is as God, as the name signifies, truly and really God, and equal in nature, power, and glory, to his divine Father. . . .​

Daniel 12:1
Vs. 1-4: Michael signifies, "Who is like God," and his name, with the title of "the great Prince," points out the Divine Savior. Christ stood for the children of our people in their stead as a sacrifice, bore the curse for them, to bear it from them. He stands for them in pleading for them at the throne of grace. And after the destruction of antichrist, the Lord Jesus shall stand at the latter day upon the earth; and He shall appear for the complete redemption of all his people. (Concise Commentary 1128)​

Michael and his angels fight against the devil and his angels, who are defeated. (7-12). . . .
Revelation 12:7
Vs. 7-11: The attempts of the dragon proved unsuccessful against the church, and fatal to his own interests. The seat of this war was in heaven; in the church of Christ, the kingdom of heaven on earth. The parties were Christ, the great Angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and his instruments. (Ibid. 1719)​

Even though God could by one angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love he sends forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels. (Footnote for Daniel 10:13)


The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel. (Footnote for Daniel 12:1)

Seems that most of the protestants tended to have no problem with it until recently.


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[awesumtenor]

Seems that most of the protestants tended to have no problem with it until recently.


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Yeah; most of your Scofield following adherents to Dispensationalism, which is popularly held among Evangelicals today, have issues with it...

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[remnantrob]

Ever hear this argument against the 1Thes. 4:16 proof text.

Rev. 14
14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

 

[2tim]

Ever hear this argument against the 1Thes. 4:16 proof text.

I'm not sure I'm following you my friend. Can you tell me more?
Thanks,
2Tim

 

[2tim]

Excellent work Tim and much appreciated.

Very nice and concise post, Tim! Thank you!

I'm glad it was a blessing. Let me say this, then, on my 200th post -
I GIVE ALL OF THE PRAISE TO MY LORD!

Thanks for the encouragement!
2Tim

 

[2tim]

Thanks Oldsage for your contribution. Those are great quotes! I feel funny calling you that. I'm 38. If you're an old sage I'm headed for my rest soon!

 

[Cliff2]

Ever hear this argument against the 1Thes. 4:16 proof text.

I did not get that as well.

Can you fill us in on what that has to do with the subject please.

 

[Tumbleweed64]

Happy Sabbath from Michigan

 

[remnantrob]

I did not get that as well.

Can you fill us in on what that has to do with the subject please.

Sorry. A couple of months ago when i gave my study on this subject in another christian forum, I was given that text to refute the 1 Thess. claim that the voice of the archangel is what wakes up the saints. One of the people I debated with gave me that text.(If i remember correctly) to tell what the voice of the archangel was doing right before Christ raised the dead. I can't find the thread because it was deleted due to the fact that it was "Heresy". I just wanted to know if you guys heard that argument that supposedly refutes the "voice of the archangel argument". Hope that explanation helps.

 

[2tim]

Sorry. A couple of months ago when i gave my study on this subject in another christian forum, I was given that text to refute the 1 Thess. claim that the voice of the archangel is what wakes up the saints. One of the people I debated with gave me that text.(If i remember correctly) to tell what the voice of the archangel was doing right before Christ raised the dead. I can't find the thread because it was deleted due to the fact that it was "Heresy". I just wanted to know if you guys heard that argument that supposedly refutes the "voice of the archangel argument". Hope that explanation helps.

Thanks! Yes it did and no, I haven't. Fortunately it is not enough to pull one nail out of such a solid truth. One must pull all the nails out. Or at least most of them. There are so many things that point to Michael as being the Pre-incarnate Jesus that one proof text [and not a very solid one...] will hardly suffice. It's too bad it was poorly received in your other thread.

People typically think that you are trying to make Jesus into a Saraph or something - they have an emotional, traditional concept of what an "angel" is. So they wig.

Once you get past those connotations, and I'm sure you agreee, I think it's as plain as the print on the page.
2Tim